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R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#1 Post by Phil83 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:15 pm

my R60 with ati and T7200 runs very hot.
I read about a mod to replace fan and heat sink with W500 model for t60. is this mod applicable also to R60 ?

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:39 pm

When is the last time you cleaned the fan and replaced the thermal paste?
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#3 Post by Cigarguy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:08 pm

What type of temps are you seeing? Download HWMonitor and report back what it reads for core cpu temps at idle and under load. You can run good old Prime95 if you want to stress test the cpu/system.

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#4 Post by Phil83 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:24 am

temp cpu >70-80°C

is the mod applicable or not?

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:42 am

I never had such an R60, if it is a 15.4" widescreen, a T500/W500 fan might fit.
Either way, if you clean/repaste the heatsink/fan, temps should drop considerably.

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#6 Post by Phil83 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:20 am

changed thermal paste, very little improvement.

temp stays under 70° if i set 99 in tpfancontrol, fan running more than 5000rpm

my R60 is 15" 4:3, my question is about applicablity of the mod described here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=114717

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#7 Post by Screamer » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:51 am

The T500/W500 heatsink can be installed in your 15" R60 for sure, even a 15.4" widescreen/14.1" standard T61(p) discrete heatsink can be installed too.

Problem is, I am not exactly sure whether the current heatsink bracket on your R60 can be used with the heatsinks mentioned above. Assuming that your 15" R60 is bound to be thicker than a 15" T60, I would guess that you should be able to use the T500/W500 or the T61(p)'s heatsink without using their specific heatsink brackets.

A T7200 staying under 70C with the fan in 'disengaged' mode is quite alright, does the noise annoy you that much? If it does, try using Throttlestop (Windows only) to undervolt the T7200. If you have Linux, I suggest running Intel Undervolt Tool instead.

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#8 Post by Phil83 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:01 am

thanks for info about Throttlestop, i'll try

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#9 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:30 am

Phil83 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:20 am
changed thermal paste, very little improvement.
What did you change it with, and how did you do it?
Hopefully one of these: https://www.thetechlounge.com/best-thermal-paste/
And done like this: http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth ... d_v1.1.pdf

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#10 Post by CrazyTPFan » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:22 am

You should try blowing the fan out with some compressed air and see if that helps.
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#11 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:45 am

No, you don't!
That compressed air is too strong to use directly aimed at the fan, it can make the fan turn faster than normal, and if the fan blows in the wrong direction, it may wreck it!
Put a toothpick or similar in your fan to stop it from turning, before you use compressed air to clean it.

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#12 Post by axur-delmeria » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:21 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:45 am
No, you don't!
That compressed air is too strong to use directly aimed at the fan, it can make the fan turn faster than normal, and if the fan blows in the wrong direction, it may wreck it!
Put a toothpick or similar in your fan to stop it from turning, before you use compressed air to clean it.
Exactly. A friend of mine showed me a laptop fan with all the blades broken off, explaining that his coworkers used compressed air on it. :o
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#13 Post by CrazyTPFan » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:02 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:45 am
No, you don't!
That compressed air is too strong to use directly aimed at the fan, it can make the fan turn faster than normal, and if the fan blows in the wrong direction, it may wreck it!
Put a toothpick or similar in your fan to stop it from turning, before you use compressed air to clean it.
I didn't think of that the time of the post.
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#14 Post by wujstefan » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:51 am

Screamer wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:51 am
The T500/W500 heatsink can be installed in your 15" R60 for sure, even a 15.4" widescreen/14.1" standard T61(p) discrete heatsink can be installed too.
Maybe we should make a bit more clearer what the "fit" word mean :D
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:42 am
I never had such an R60, if it is a 15.4" widescreen, a T500/W500 fan might fit.
Either way, if you clean/repaste the heatsink/fan, temps should drop considerably.
Were there any widescreen R60 models? Never seen such.

Neither T500/W500 or any other will fit unless heavily modded. _VERY_HEAVILY_MEGA_MODDED_, especially for ATI version. Unfortunately you're stuck with R60 heatsink, which is also a known problem of R61. Those heatsinks are less efficient (and thus make it super problematic to use quadcores in R61 4:3 systems for instance).

It will run a bit hot, and there is nothing special with it. Screamer is right you should undervolt your T7200, and it may make a couple of degrees of difference. Those CPUs undervolt nicely. Or, try a different CPU. Or, try to check if your fan is blowing hot air. It may be that your heatpipe is missing the coolant. Is the 80C under load or lon idle?
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#15 Post by Screamer » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:31 am

wujstefan wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:51 am
Were there any widescreen R60 models? Never seen such.
Definitely not, RealBlackStuff may have confused that with the 15.4" widescreen R61.
wujstefan wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:51 am
Neither T500/W500 or any other will fit unless heavily modded. _VERY_HEAVILY_MEGA_MODDED_, especially for ATI version. Unfortunately you're stuck with R60 heatsink, which is also a known problem of R61. Those heatsinks are less efficient (and thus make it super problematic to use quadcores in R61 4:3 systems for instance).
This is quite a new discovery for me, my apologies for the incorrect assumption. Does this incompatibility have something to do with the R60's FireWire port that is located at the right side of the left heat vent? I vaguely recall that you had to remove some of the copper fins on the 14.1"/15.4" widescreen T61 or T500/W500's heatsink to force it in, that was the catch, right?

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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#16 Post by wujstefan » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:43 am

Screamer wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:31 am
This is quite a new discovery for me, my apologies for the incorrect assumption. Does this incompatibility have something to do with the R60's FireWire port that is located at the right side of the left heat vent? I vaguely recall that you had to remove some of the copper fins on the 14.1"/15.4" widescreen T61 or T500/W500's heatsink to force it in, that was the catch, right?
T61->T60->T500 is a child's play in comparison :) (yes, you have to remove the fins). I've tried modding this somewhere around 3 years back, and even while having the possibility to grind copper elements myself, got higher temps than with genuine heatsink, abandoned the project. Very problematic, definietely not worth the effort. Can't remind if the firewire was the problem; definietely not the only one.

Way more interesting may be modding T500 heatsink to fit R61, as this will enable quadcore-modding the R61.
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#17 Post by TPFanatic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:15 am

You know what else has crappy heatsink? The Z-series. At least ATI graphics from 2002 are too slow to get hot. :lol:
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#18 Post by Shredder11 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:28 am

I wonder if there is anything that will fit the Z61p to get the high temps down? I've done all the usual stuff but now beefing up the cooling hardware is the next step. I'm very happy with the overall performance otherwise.
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#19 Post by axur-delmeria » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:06 pm

Shredder11 wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:28 am
I wonder if there is anything that will fit the Z61p to get the high temps down? I've done all the usual stuff but now beefing up the cooling hardware is the next step. I'm very happy with the overall performance otherwise.
Have you tried undervolting the CPU?

A rather harebrained hack I read in another forum is to apply themal paste in the nooks and crannies where the heatpipes and the other copper parts meet. "Copper parts" in this case means the CPU contact plate and the cooling fins. The idea is that doing so will increase the contact area between the heatpipes and the copper parts. :lol:

Harebrained, yes. But I think it can be done better by using thermal epoxy-- the crazy part is DIYing the thermal epoxy by mixing 5 minute epoxy with thermal paste. :twisted:
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#20 Post by wujstefan » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:56 am

axur-delmeria wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:06 pm
A rather harebrained hack I read in another forum is to apply themal paste in the nooks and crannies where the heatpipes and the other copper parts meet. "Copper parts" in this case means the CPU contact plate and the cooling fins. The idea is that doing so will increase the contact area between the heatpipes and the copper parts. :lol:

Harebrained, yes. But I think it can be done better by using thermal epoxy-- the crazy part is DIYing the thermal epoxy by mixing 5 minute epoxy with thermal paste. :twisted:
Do not laugh at this - it works perfectly in HP elitebooks with some extra copper shims used. The best effect I've had so far was putting quadcored i7 in 8740w from the upper 80s to lower 70s under load.

Does it work? yes. On the other hand, definietely not with this particular fan ;)
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Re: R60+ATI+T7200 runs hot

#21 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:03 am

wujstefan wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:56 am
Do not laugh at this - it works perfectly in HP elitebooks with some extra copper shims used. The best effect I've had so far was putting quadcored i7 in 8740w from the upper 80s to lower 70s under load.

Does it work? yes. On the other hand, definietely not with this particular fan ;)
I've read about the HP Elitebook HSF mod. The key there is the added thermal mass provided by the extra copper plates.

Speaking of which, I dismanted a PSU from a dead IBM Pentium 4 SFF desktop last week. There were 2 copper heatsinks inside(!!) More materials for modding. :D
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