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does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#1 Post by ThreeIguanasPerSecond » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:36 am

there is this strange looking part in the second edition of the 15.4" R61/R61e/R61i's HMM, "Ultrabay Enhanced battery (2nd bay battery)" FRU 40U4890. what is this? a typo? i've been looking around and there's no clear indication if it's real or it's just a mistake in the HMM.

could anyone verify if this part actually exists? i need to update the ThinkWiki's ultrabay devices section, and this part's making it difficult.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#2 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:29 pm

Yes. It does exist. I've owned one many years ago.

Finding one - let alone in any type of decent working condition - is a whole different subject matter.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#3 Post by Shredder11 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:37 pm

I think there are knockoff clones over on aliexpress but can not vouch for their worthiness.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#4 Post by ThreeIguanasPerSecond » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:22 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:29 pm
Yes. It does exist. I've owned one many years ago.
excellent, but do you happen to recall the FRU and ASM part numbers of the battery? i'd like to know the part numbers, and maybe even the battery's voltage and amperage if possible.

do you also happen to recall the battery's compatibility, as in which models accepted it? e.g. R5x or R6x/Z6x, or R6x/Z6x/R400/R500? any details regarding this would be very appreciated.
Shredder11 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:37 pm
I think there are knockoff clones over on aliexpress but can not vouch for their worthiness.
i've never seen an Ultrabay Enhanced battery on aliexpress, but i did manage to find some Ultrabay Slim batteries... could you link me an example if possible? i'd like to have a look at it, worthy or not worthy.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#5 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:05 pm

ThreeIguanasPerSecond wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:22 pm

excellent, but do you happen to recall the FRU and ASM part numbers of the battery? i'd like to know the part numbers, and maybe even the battery's voltage and amperage if possible.
No. Recollection. What-so-ever.
do you also happen to recall the battery's compatibility, as in which models accepted it? e.g. R5x or R6x/Z6x, or R6x/Z6x/R400/R500? any details regarding this would be very appreciated.
I had it in a widescreen R61 of *some* kind. As for anything else, no idea.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#6 Post by Shredder11 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:17 pm

ThreeIguanasPerSecond wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:22 pm
ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:29 pm
Yes. It does exist. I've owned one many years ago.
Shredder11 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:37 pm
I think there are knockoff clones over on aliexpress but can not vouch for their worthiness.
i've never seen an Ultrabay Enhanced battery on aliexpress, but i did manage to find some Ultrabay Slim batteries... could you link me an example if possible? i'd like to have a look at it, worthy or not worthy.
I had a look through my wish list on aliexpress and found this, and the description states,
Replace Part Number:

51J0508 51J0507

Fit for:

For Lenovo T400,T400S,T410S,T420S T430ST500,R400,R500,W500,
T60,T60P,T61,T61p,t61i,T61u,T61w,R60,R60e,R60i,R61,R61i,R61e
,Z60m,Z61m,Z61e,Z61p
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3293124 ... 2e0e2Xz7Xe
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#7 Post by dr_st » Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:21 am

Shredder11 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:17 pm
For Lenovo T400,T400S,T410S,T420S T430ST500,R400,R500,W500,
T60,T60P,T61,T61p,t61i,T61u,T61w,R60,R60e,R60i,R61,R61i,R61e
,Z60m,Z61m,Z61e,Z61p

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3293124 ... 2e0e2Xz7Xe
That's an Ultrabay Slim battery. This one is quite common. It fits both Slim and Enhanced Ultrabays, which makes it compatible with all of the above.

The alleged Ultrabay Enhanced (12.7mm) version - FRU 40U4890 - indeed seems very elusive. I find no reference to it anywhere except the aforementioned 15.4" R61/R61e/R61i's HMM, no pictures anywhere, nowhere for sale. It is as obscure as ThreeIguanasPerSecond said, and if not ajkula66's testimony, I wouldn't be sure it actually exists.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#8 Post by Screamer » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:23 am

It doesn't exist.

The hardware maintenance manual that you have referenced from, is an outdated edition. The latest edition that I am aware of, is the 6th edition and it does not contain an entry for the 'Ultrabay Enhanced battery'. The only two editions that I'm aware of which contained this strange entry was the 1st and the 2nd edition. The 1st edition however, identified this part as the 'Ultrabay Enhanced battery (2nd bay battery)' with an FRU of 40Y6790. Notice the different and older FRU code, which points to the Advanced Ultrabay Battery's FRU code.

In the 2nd edition, the FRU code was incorrectly changed to 40U4890. It was supposed to be 41U4890 to reflect the newer FRU for the Advanced Ultrabay Battery, but for whatever reason, the 1 in the FRU was mistakenly swapped with a 0. Now that's cleared up, I'll move on to the dumb idea of calling the Advanced Ultrabay Battery or the original Ultrabay Slim battery as the 'Ultrabay Enhanced battery'.

If you had relentlessly searched through IBM's many announcements related to ThinkPads, you'll notice that they have at least once or twice, identified the Ultrabay Slim PATA HDD adapter as the 'Ultrabay Enhanced HDD adapter'. I'm not kidding about this. Seeing as they did that for the HDD adapter, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to do the same for the Ultrabay battery packs. Which sigh, caused a lot of unnecessary confusion.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#9 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:56 pm

Screamer wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:23 am
It doesn't exist.
Oh but it does. The fact that something looks like a unicorn from a distance doesn't necessarily make it one.

I'll give you that I was very surprised when that R61 arrived from fleabay with the said battery in the bay. But arrive it did.

There's a lot of stuff around that doesn't match and/or exist in HMMs and PSREFs but does so IRL. It's always been that way in my experience.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#10 Post by Screamer » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:11 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:56 pm
There's a lot of stuff around that doesn't match and/or exist in HMMs and PSREFs but does so IRL. It's always been that way in my experience.
Ah, alright then. I suppose that basing my observations from the hardware maintenance manuals were pointless if that's the case.

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#11 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:15 pm

Screamer wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:11 pm
ajkula66 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:56 pm
There's a lot of stuff around that doesn't match and/or exist in HMMs and PSREFs but does so IRL. It's always been that way in my experience.
Ah, alright then. I suppose that basing my observations from the hardware maintenance manuals were pointless if that's the case.
Far from it. HMMs and PSREFs are an excellent resource but there's always stuff that's missing. It's just the nature of the beast.
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#12 Post by ZaZ » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:05 pm

I bought one of these for my R60 and seem to recall it being at less than 50% of capacity after six months. The bay battery always discharges first, so it wears quickly. I say you're better off buying the larger battery as it doesn't degrade near as fast and sticks out the back, which makes for a convenient handle.
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#13 Post by dr_st » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:55 am

To the folks who owned this alleged mysterious battery - are you absolutely sure it wasn't just the Ultrabay Slim version?
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Re: does the Ultrabay Enhanced Battery exist?

#14 Post by ThreeIguanasPerSecond » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:46 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:05 pm
I had it in a widescreen R61 of *some* kind. As for anything else, no idea.
aaaand it's in. i added it to the ThinkWiki - http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ultrabay_Enhanced_Battery. there's a load of unknowns here and there though, my guesses can only do so much...

any suggestions or corrections? i know you don't remember much but do tell if there's anything off with the info i've added in there.
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