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pphilipko · #31 Post by **pphilipko** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:11 am

rajm wrote:lol "The ThinkPad Z Series Tablet " from that article...

I don't see that anywhere...

rajm · #32 Post by **rajm** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:56 pm

pphilipko wrote:
I don't see that anywhere...

http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/ar ... hp/3549156

its the caption under the first pic.

Guest · #33 Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:51 pm

jdhurst wrote:I read the article and the cat is now out of the bag. The end is near, I think, for the professional ThinkPad. Lenovo said, in part, "...will hopefully win over those of you who couldn’t deal with IBM’s stubborn reluctance to release a laptop with anything but a 4:3 display"

IBM's stubborn relunctance to produce fluff and low-end consumer wants is precisely what has made it (for over a decade) the best business laptops bar none. No one has ever been embarrassed by using a ThinkPad.

I see nothing wrong with producing a wide-screen display for those who want one - just that IBM worked with the business users first and produced tried and true technology that would work for those users. I just don't like Lenovo's reasoning.
... JD Hurst

I don't think you quite understand the Lenovo's reasoning for wide-screens. They are a god send. If you ever produced PowerPoint slides ( and I am talking about hundreds per months for your living) then you will realize that wide-screen is the best option.
A lot of my colleagues are postponing their order for the usual T-series (and we have hundreds here around) and wait for the Z60t, as it was announced a few days ago. Unfortunately no news about the release day of the z60m with 1900x1200, our graphics department is waiting...

fbrdphreak · #34 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:00 pm

Anonymous wrote: A lot of my colleagues are postponing their order for the usual T-series (and we have hundreds here around) and wait for the Z60t, as it was announced a few days ago. Unfortunately no news about the release day of the z60m with 1900x1200, our graphics department is waiting...

Someone told me that the Z60's will not actually be available for purchase for another month, still trying to confirm that. I'm also checking on higher res screens for Z60t & m, but no official word yet

Guest · #35 Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:05 pm

I would likely order a Z60T tomorrow, but not without higher resolution. I'd wait until that is available.

Just one voice, but maybe it will help them to implement that.

And a question:

If I use an external 4:3 monitor with a Z, what happens? Do I need a new external that is wide screen or will the external video be configurable for 4:3?

fbrdphreak · #36 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:11 pm

Anonymous wrote:I would likely order a Z60T tomorrow, but not without higher resolution. I'd wait until that is available.

Just one voice, but maybe it will help them to implement that.

And a question:

If I use an external 4:3 monitor with a Z, what happens? Do I need a new external that is wide screen or will the external video be configurable for 4:3?

External video is configurable to the resolution of the external display, not the laptop's display.

Spoke with Lenovo today (still no meeting

) and there are no plans for higher res displays on the Z60t or Z60m. This means that you are stuck with WXGA on the t and WSXGA+ on the m. Keep in mind this machine is SMB oriented and not designed for graphic design/CAD/etc workstation type stuff.

#37 Post by **jdhurst** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:14 pm

Anonymous wrote: I don't think you quite understand the Lenovo's reasoning for wide-screens. They are a god send. If you ever produced PowerPoint slides ( and I am talking about hundreds per months for your living) then you will realize that wide-screen is the best option.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have widescreen (good stuff if you need it). But the breadth and depth of Lenovo's reasoning (as I read the article) was to hope it would sell because IBM didn't produce them. They don't need to badmouth IBM because they wish to add to their product line.
That is how I see it in any event.

BTW, I have a client with an HP widescreen, and I run hot and cold on it. I expect, though, that it may be a good seller in the marketplace.
... JD Hurst

Michael1980 · #38 Post by **Michael1980** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:34 pm

I hope Lenovo is not going to mess around with the T and X series.

Anyway, am I right in thinking that the Z-series will have the older Ultrabay 2000 (12.5mm) and not the T-series Ultrabay Slim?

safelder · #39 Post by **safelder** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:39 pm

Michael1980 wrote: Anyway, am I right in thinking that the Z-series will have the older Ultrabay 2000 (12.5mm) and not the T-series Ultrabay Slim?

I believe that is the case on the Z60m, but not the Z60t, which will have the slim drive.

Also, can anybody confirm/deny whether or not the Z60t will have both PCMCIA and Express Card slots? Not that I expect to use either (especially with WWAN integrated), but I'm big into future-proofing my purchases.

fbrdphreak · #40 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:45 pm

safelder wrote:
Michael1980 wrote: Anyway, am I right in thinking that the Z-series will have the older Ultrabay 2000 (12.5mm) and not the T-series Ultrabay Slim?
I believe that is the case on the Z60m, but not the Z60t, which will have the slim drive.

Also, can anybody confirm/deny whether or not the Z60t will have both PCMCIA and Express Card slots? Not that I expect to use either (especially with WWAN integrated), but I'm big into future-proofing my purchases.

Z60m does have 12.5mm Ultrabay, Z60t has 9.5mm or whatever it is.

There is no ExpressCard slot listed for the Z60t and I don't think they're including it. I will check into this also, but it was not listed in the briefing I was given.

Michael1980 · #41 Post by **Michael1980** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:59 pm

Hmm interesting. I see the Ultrabay Slim is not going to prevail like predicted, probably due to small size not able to give you enough room to create things such as a 8x DVD burner.

Sorry for being a bit stupid, but what is the thickness of both machines? I found conflicting reports.

fbrdphreak · #42 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:03 pm

Michael1980 wrote:Hmm interesting. I see the Ultrabay Slim is not going to prevail like predicted, probably due to small size not able to give you enough room to create things such as a 8x DVD burner.

Sorry for being a bit stupid, but what is the thickness of both machines? I found conflicting reports.

Then you're reading the wrong sources

http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/09/16/2005/508/0/

Z60t: 1.1"
Z60m: 1.5"

Michael1980 · #43 Post by **Michael1980** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:20 pm

Thanks for that link. Looks the like 14" one is going to be light as well. That would be my choice, definetely. I hope it will take the T42 ultrabay battery!

Guest · #44 Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:48 pm

fbrdphreak wrote:
There is no ExpressCard slot listed for the Z60t and I don't think they're including it. I will check into this also, but it was not listed in the briefing I was given.

Should it concern me that there is no ExpressCard slot? I'd go ahead and wait on the Z60m, but, based on the price list linked here, it doesn't look like that offers WWAN! (Mobility is only an occasional, as opposed to daily, need for me; the machine will likely spend most of its time in a docking station at home since it is replacing my home desktop, not my work machine.)

In any event, my timeframe for an order is mid-November, so I've got sufficient time to wait on reviews and continue thinking about a 15" T43p.

fbrdphreak · #45 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:54 pm

Anonymous wrote:
fbrdphreak wrote:
There is no ExpressCard slot listed for the Z60t and I don't think they're including it. I will check into this also, but it was not listed in the briefing I was given.
Should it concern me that there is no ExpressCard slot? I'd go ahead and wait on the Z60m, but, based on the price list linked here, it doesn't look like that offers WWAN! (Mobility is only an occasional, as opposed to daily, need for me; the machine will likely spend most of its time in a docking station at home since it is replacing my home desktop, not my work machine.)

In any event, my timeframe for an order is mid-November, so I've got sufficient time to wait on reviews and continue thinking about a 15" T43p.

ExpressCard will be used to replace the current PC Card slot. Accy's like extra Firewire/USB/future ports, new wireless standards, extra storage, etc will be ExpressCard in the coming years. Don't expect PC Card it disappear overnight though. And depending how long you plan to keep the machine, it may be worth it to get a Z60t and if you need ExpressCard later, get an ExpressCard laptop then.

I believe they neglected to include ExpressCard support due to size restraints if I had to guess, as they're planning to use the same chassis & layout for multi-core mobile solutions.

safelder · #46 Post by **safelder** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:35 pm

fbrdphreak wrote: I believe they neglected to include ExpressCard support due to size restraints if I had to guess, as they're planning to use the same chassis & layout for multi-core mobile solutions.

That being the case, I'll probably hang on for the m series. As I said, mobility isn't an everyday concern for me. I just hope that they offer CTO models of the Z60m that can include WWAN.

wackydan · #47 Post by **wackydan** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:47 pm

jdhurst wrote:I read the article and the cat is now out of the bag. The end is near, I think, for the professional ThinkPad. Lenovo said, in part, "...will hopefully win over those of you who couldn’t deal with IBM’s stubborn reluctance to release a laptop with anything but a 4:3 display"

IBM's stubborn relunctance to produce fluff and low-end consumer wants is precisely what has made it (for over a decade) the best business laptops bar none. No one has ever been embarrassed by using a ThinkPad.

I see nothing wrong with producing a wide-screen display for those who want one - just that IBM worked with the business users first and produced tried and true technology that would work for those users. I just don't like Lenovo's reasoning.
... JD Hurst

And Lenovo is releasing a whole new line of notebooks NOT CALLED ThinkPad to go after the SMB and consumer segment after the turn of the year. It will be a low cost offering to go head to head against Dell. So your beloved TP will remain the premium business product it is. For Some SMB and Consumer there is and always has been a play - hence the R50. The T will continue to evolve at turn of year with WAN integration and Dual Core.

Don't worry... all is Sane at Lenovo.

wackydan · #48 Post by **wackydan** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:49 pm

fbrdphreak wrote:
Anonymous wrote: A lot of my colleagues are postponing their order for the usual T-series (and we have hundreds here around) and wait for the Z60t, as it was announced a few days ago. Unfortunately no news about the release day of the z60m with 1900x1200, our graphics department is waiting...
Someone told me that the Z60's will not actually be available for purchase for another month, still trying to confirm that. I'm also checking on higher res screens for Z60t & m, but no official word yet

Oct 18th is ship date for all Z series.

indiantweakhead · #49 Post by **indiantweakhead** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:27 pm

when will the Z series become a "Let me build it" product? Instead of "choose your config"? Or will it ever?

bhtooefr · #50 Post by **bhtooefr** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:06 am

wackydan wrote:And Lenovo is releasing a whole new line of notebooks NOT CALLED ThinkPad to go after the SMB and consumer segment after the turn of the year. It will be a low cost offering to go head to head against Dell. So your beloved TP will remain the premium business product it is. For Some SMB and Consumer there is and always has been a play - hence the R50. The T will continue to evolve at turn of year with WAN integration and Dual Core.

Don't worry... all is Sane at Lenovo.

So, what's going to happen to the R series?

I've heard that IT will get the rounded corners treatment that the Z series is getting, along with the T series.

However, if Lenovo's going to roll out laptops under their own brand...

Is the R series going away, or is it going up in price? Either way, I don't like it.

Or, are they going to give more features to the consumer line, but keep the R at the same price? I wouldn't be opposed to that...

wackydan · #51 Post by **wackydan** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:49 am

bhtooefr wrote:
wackydan wrote:And Lenovo is releasing a whole new line of notebooks NOT CALLED ThinkPad to go after the SMB and consumer segment after the turn of the year. It will be a low cost offering to go head to head against Dell. So your beloved TP will remain the premium business product it is. For Some SMB and Consumer there is and always has been a play - hence the R50. The T will continue to evolve at turn of year with WAN integration and Dual Core.

Don't worry... all is Sane at Lenovo.
So, what's going to happen to the R series?

I've heard that IT will get the rounded corners treatment that the Z series is getting, along with the T series.

However, if Lenovo's going to roll out laptops under their own brand...

Is the R series going away, or is it going up in price? Either way, I don't like it.

Or, are they going to give more features to the consumer line, but keep the R at the same price? I wouldn't be opposed to that...

The R will be positioned relatively the same within the ThinkPad lineup.

The new brand of notebooks are going to be low cost and probably have more consumer oriented preloads/bundling. About the only thing they will have in common with ThinkPads, is the company from my understanding.

We should all be happy that they are not sinking the TP's to a low cost model to compete toe to toe with Dell and will instead bring over their existing notebook lineup from China over to do so.....

Kenn · #52 Post by **Kenn** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:22 am

kanate wrote:I don't really get it. Why people always say 4:3 screen is for business and whenever they put widescreen in, it's not for business

With computer screen, you have more resolutions, more space to work on. Think about how many more columns you can view in excel with widescreen. Now which one is good for business?

Well, that depends. It's true that a lot of "business" and working folks can use a widescreen - when I was working, I had dual-monitors, which was pretty close to the 2.35:1 ratio you see in movie theaters

But it's resolution and not aspect ratio that lets you put two documents side by side. And applications like microsoft word and powerpoint, which many people use full-screen mode, do not translate well to full-screen widescreen work.

But mostly it's the reluctance of CTOs and IT managers to buy "widescreen" notebooks for employees, because it makes it seem like they're getting HDTVs or something.

indiantweakhead · #53 Post by **indiantweakhead** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:17 am

how easy is it to swap hard drives in the T and Z series.

DaveO · #54 Post by **DaveO** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:28 am

indiantweakhead wrote:how easy is it to swap hard drives in the T and Z series. Does it require screw drivers or is there a clip and lock technique?

I want to use the new ibm z series as a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation)

Looks like the Z series are the 1st to start using SATA hard drives. They wont interchange with T series or any other previous model.

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