old hibernation/standby issue - STILL UNRESOLVED!

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thinkpadlover07 · #1 Post by **thinkpadlover07** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:46 am

I know there have already been posts about a strange hibernation/standby issue as follows..

coming out of standby/hibernation, the machine displays the windows desktop for ~20 seconds, then goes back into standby/hibernation. If you turn on the machine AGAIN, it comes out of standby/hib for good.

KEY QUIRK: If you remove the Ultrabay CD/DVD drive, standby/hibernation works the first time (like it should)!!

There have already been posts on this (from R and T-series owners), but no recent chatter...NO ONE ELSE IS HAVING THIS PROBLEM???

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... on+standby
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20252

I tried to fix this problem a few months ago by wasting a day uninstalling/reinstalling the following..
1. all of the Power Mgmt software (IBM Power Mgmt, Battery Maximiser, Power Mgmt driver (tried downgrading too, with newest BIOS)
2. BIOS
3. CD/DVD drive
4. everything under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers in Device Manager

I'm pretty sure that no other drivers/IBM software are causing this.

And I KNOW that a workaround is uninstalling the PM driver, but then the Fn+F3/F5/F12 functions are lost. So, it's really not.

Any ideas? I'm going to email Sam Palmisano about this, [censored] I'm [censored]. Hopefully he can kick around some of the engineers to get this old problem fixed by an updated driver. They're probably too busy writing new drivers for the buggy oh-Lenovo T60s.

If you agree with me and can't help, please e-mail Sam, CEO of IBM
https://www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/email-sjp.pl

Thanks,
Rob

dsigma6 · #2 Post by **dsigma6** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:33 am

not like a problem like this is often solved by a very simple solution, but does it make a difference if the hd is set as the first boot device, as opposed to the cd drive?

thinkpadlover07 · #3 Post by **thinkpadlover07** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:24 am

thanks dsigma6, sorry to say that I tried it and it didn't work. It seems this problem will never be resolved by IBM - updating all drivers and BIOS, embedded controller, etc. etc. to the very latest doesn't help either!

again, anyone else with this problem? let me know at least, so we can commiserate!

-rob

christopher_wolf · #4 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:36 am

Saw this problem once on an old Toshiba and one Dell, not on a Thinkpad or any other laptop since then. If I recall correctly, they both had some problems initializing the IDE drivers, especially if it was running a set of optical drive I/O ops just before suspend. Have you added any drivers like SPTD or a bus monitor like BusHound? Should Windows not get the right IDE drivers upon resume, it will be a tricky operation to even resume properly. Try looking at what the Event Viewer logged before and after the suspend/resume events. It might also be that you have a tenacious set of software that has some low level system connections; something like a kernel-mode debugger along the lines of SoftICE, OllyDbg, WinDBG, etc. Although since the problem is only encountered during the resume phase of the operation, that would tend to suggest to me a driver issue that Windows has been conditioned to use and *not* low-level software getting involved unless it is one of the first things that starts up during the resume; a loading situation which is highly unlikely.

As an aside, just what is wrong with the "Buggy-oh" T60s and their drivers? Sounds to me like your R40 has more problems than that; the drivers for the R40 should work out-of-the-box unless you added/changed them with something else such as the aforementioned SCSI Pass Through Driver (SPTD).

christopher_wolf · #5 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:40 am

Saw this problem once on an old Toshiba and one Dell, not on a Thinkpad or any other laptop since then. If I recall correctly, they both had some problems initializing the IDE drivers, especially if it was running a set of optical drive I/O ops just before suspend. Have you added any drivers like SPTD or a bus monitor like BusHound? Should Windows not get the right IDE drivers upon resume, it will be a tricky operation to even resume properly. Try looking at what the Event Viewer logged before and after the suspend/resume events. It might also be that you have a tenacious set of software that has some low level system connections; something like a kernel-mode debugger along the lines of SoftICE, OllyDbg, WinDBG, etc. Although since the problem is only encountered during the resume phase of the operation, that would tend to suggest to me a driver issue that Windows has been conditioned to use and *not* low-level software getting involved unless it is one of the first things that starts up during the resume; a loading situation which is highly unlikely.

As an aside, just what is wrong with the "Buggy-oh" T60s and their drivers? Sounds to me like your R40 has more problems than that; the drivers for the R40 should work out-of-the-box unless you added/changed them with something else such as the aforementioned SCSI Pass Through Driver (SPTD) and, for whatever reason, it doesn't like something about the optical drive you already have or your version of XP somehow chokes loading it, especially if it has a mounted image. Although I haven't seen the SPTD do that and it is unlikely, it is worth looking into.

Barring that, there are some registry hacks I can think of that will mask the Device Instance IDs for the optical drive to Windows as well as minimize the operations necessary during resume from the suspend sleep state that would help narrow down what the problem was or eliminate it entirely.

thinkpadlover07 · #6 Post by **thinkpadlover07** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:44 am

Chris,

I'll give it to ya - you know what you're talking about, but I don't. And you're a nighthawk like I am, so that's 2 pts for you.

Nothing is logged in Event Viewer unfortunately about the system catching/rejecting the CD/DVD drive. The green light on the Ultrabay drive doesn't even come on when I turn on the machine from Standby/Hibernate (it should STAY on when the machine is in either of those states).

To be correct, my R40 has had no real problems besides this interesting quirky 'personal' problem. And every time it's had a problem, IBM has fixed it or friendly folks like yourself on this forum have offered helpful advice..b/c Dell, HP, and Apple forums can't top this one!...booyah.

-Rob

iminj · #7 Post by **iminj** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:39 pm

I have an R40, and experienced a lot of problems with Hibernation and Standby also. I couldn't get it into either state reliably, and had difficulties getting it out of either state.

IBM/Lenovo couldn't help me either ... and then I found a solution while "googling" in frustration -

In my case, the culprit was my firewall, which was Kerio 2.1.5. Once I uninstalled this particular software, ALL my hibernation and standby issues were eliminated! (I reinstalled Kerio again - just to be sure I wasn't crazy, and the problem came back).

Not sure this solves your particular problem ... but I wanted to share this with you.

thinkpadlover07 · #8 Post by **thinkpadlover07** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:33 am

Bizarre! No idea how that could happen. Unfortunately, I don't have a firewall installed on my comp, so that can't be the solution. I've given up and just resorted to not installing the Power Management Driver. I lose the Fn+F3, F4, F5, and F12 keys. But standby/hibernate work okay - only thing is that the Ultrabay device does not always 'light up' i.e. initialize when I turn back on the machine. Sigh.

Thanks for the tip though, iminj. I guess the problem is just a personal problem with my machine.

tbartold · #9 Post by **tbartold** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:01 pm

I'd just like to chime in here... I have constant problems with swapping bays. Even if I "stop" one of the devices, and pop it out the system goes into standby, and it's pretty unpredictable whether it'll return or not.

I've pretty much given up on the idea of poping out a device.

I've totally given up on popping in a device. All I ever get is a constant alarm sound that totally annoys, and the device is never recognized.

My only advice is: don't swap devices while on/standby/hibernated.

pianowizard · #10 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:26 pm

thinkpadlover07 wrote:coming out of standby/hibernation, the machine displays the windows desktop for ~20 seconds, then goes back into standby/hibernation. If you turn on the machine AGAIN, it comes out of standby/hib for good.

My TP240X has the same problem!

thinkpadlover07 · #11 Post by **thinkpadlover07** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:26 pm

pianowizard wrote:
thinkpadlover07 wrote:coming out of standby/hibernation, the machine displays the windows desktop for ~20 seconds, then goes back into standby/hibernation. If you turn on the machine AGAIN, it comes out of standby/hib for good.
My TP240X has the same problem!

Like father, like son!

abvc · #12 Post by **abvc** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:48 am

had same problems, never want to risk again.

old hibernation/standby issue - STILL UNRESOLVED!

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