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OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#151 Post by 600X » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:02 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:29 pm
It wasn't "conservatives" who elected Trump. There's not enough of them in this country to begin with. Try "forgotten men and women" instead - whatever you may think of that phrase - and you might get somewhere.
Reminds me of this book we read back in one of my undergad classes: https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Pennsy ... 975&sr=8-1

I can recommend it for anyone who is interested.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#152 Post by rkawakami » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:34 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 pm
@ray:

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

So... the arson, burning, looting, pillaging, vandalizing, trashing, and robbing & murdering of citizens in several major US cities, ALL with left / dem mayors and most with dem govs (except GA) didn't happen??? All those Walmart TVs in red and green boxes "liberated" in Philadelphia as early Christmas presents didn't occur???? :roll:

I must be getting my TV feed from a parallel universe...
You know as well as I do that DJT's statement was meant for any "negative" news about himself or his administration; i.e., "fake news". He's saying that only he is the one telling the truth, that the MSM either ignores the story, distorts it or outright lies. A classic case of projection: he's the one that ignores the story, distorts it and outright lies (everything he's done recently about COVID-19). That statement I quoted was said by him over two years ago (VFW convention July 24, 2018) about tariffs and the "fake news". It was just one more shot at the MSM and making the story about himself. In the end that's really all he seems to care about.

I do NOT condone any of the violence seen (and not seen) recently in the media that took place during what were initially peaceful demonstrations. Arsonists, looters and murders should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And that goes equally for Trump supporters, BLM marchers, antifa and anyone else who would use the demonstrations and protests as cover or excuse to commit a crime.

I gather that since you only quoted this one point I was making, you agree with everything else? In Trump's universe silence is tacit acknowledgement that you agree with him.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#153 Post by cadillacmike68 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:55 pm

mpcook wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:23 pm
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 pm
@ray:

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

So... the arson, burning, looting, pillaging, vandalizing, trashing, and robbing & murdering of citizens in several major US cities, ALL with left / dem mayors and most with dem govs (except GA) didn't happen??? All those Walmart TVs in red and green boxes "liberated" in Philadelphia as early Christmas presents didn't occur???? :roll:

I must be getting my TV feed from a parallel universe...
Yes you are... Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, San Diego, among many others.


And those riots were quickly brought under control, unlike the Dem led cities were whole blocks were set on fire, dozens of store that weren't burned were looted completely empty, etc....... And before you go ahead and say that's not true, just true that one car dealership that was completely burned takes up several city blocks.

And how long did they allow this to go on in Seattle, over 100days!!
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#154 Post by cadillacmike68 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:57 pm

rkawakami wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:34 pm
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 pm
@ray:

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

So... the arson, burning, looting, pillaging, vandalizing, trashing, and robbing & murdering of citizens in several major US cities, ALL with left / dem mayors and most with dem govs (except GA) didn't happen??? All those Walmart TVs in red and green boxes "liberated" in Philadelphia as early Christmas presents didn't occur???? :roll:

I must be getting my TV feed from a parallel universe...
You know as well as I do that DJT's statement was meant for any "negative" news about himself or his administration; i.e., "fake news". He's saying that only he is the one telling the truth, that the MSM either ignores the story, distorts it or outright lies. A classic case of projection: he's the one that ignores the story, distorts it and outright lies (everything he's done recently about COVID-19). That statement I quoted was said by him over two years ago (VFW convention July 24, 2018) about tariffs and the "fake news". It was just one more shot at the MSM and making the story about himself. In the end that's really all he seems to care about.

I do NOT condone any of the violence seen (and not seen) recently in the media that took place during what were initially peaceful demonstrations. Arsonists, looters and murders should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And that goes equally for Trump supporters, BLM marchers, antifa and anyone else who would use the demonstrations and protests as cover or excuse to commit a crime.

I gather that since you only quoted this one point I was making, you agree with everything else? In Trump's universe silence is tacit acknowledgement that you agree with him.


They do.

And I don't. I just won't devote the time to do so.

As for the so-called "peaceful protests", while some started off peaceful, they all rapidly turned into statutorily defined RIOTS, in just minutes in many cases.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#155 Post by dr_st » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:12 am

pkiff wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:27 pm
So I depend on lawyers (!) and legal analysts to help me understand what is going on. And I depend on election specialists and experts to help me understand how this might all play out in the election cycle. I am an avid reader, and I've probably spent 20-40 hours in the past two weeks reading articles and watching videos about this election. And it's not even my country! But I've still barely scratched the surface. I have in fact only skimmed a couple actual legal submissions. They tend to be long and boring. Likewise, I haven't read any complete actual affidavits all the way through from start to finish, I've just read parts that have been highlighted by others. I assume that the same is true for most people on this forum on both sides of the debate. No one has time to read the mountain of material. So unless there is obvious, glaring evidence that gets presented, then it really does end up coming down to who you believe.
That's pretty much the case. My assessment on the situation, once it became clear that Trump would have to flip a few states by at least tens of thousands of votes was that his chances of actually overturning the results are nil, whether there has been fraud or not.

Has there been fraud? No doubt, just like I have no doubt that it's always been happening on a certain scale, in past elections as well. Has there been more fraud this time, and has it been heavily skewed towards Biden, and has it been on a scale to change the outcome? This is basically what Trump claims, and I have serious doubts about that.

The thing is that it is almost impossible to prove any fraud on such a scale without a thorough investigation. Even if some dude comes and says "I personally forged and delivered 200,000 ballots" and signs a sworn affidavit - that wouldn't be considered proof by any court, just grounds for investigation. The Trump campaign talks a lot about certain irregularities, patterns, etc. that suggest that fraud has been taking place - that in itself is just speculation (BTW, even Giuliani admits that). You can't disqualify any results based on that, only demand that certain things are investigated, which takes time, and there is Trump's problem now - it's time he doesn't have. The train has left the station.
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Further divided the nation into an us (conservative) versus them (liberal) mentality?
He didn't do that. The people who screamed "not my president" on the night of his election, before he had a chance to say even one word as the president did that. That includes, of course, most of the mainstream media.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#156 Post by mpcook » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:10 am

How the Trump & Rudy Show got their numbers very wrong during the 90 minute press conference.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#157 Post by shawross » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:35 pm

It is time to look past the election and see what is coming. Biden/Harris it appears is their delivery choice to help setup the agenda.

The 2030 prediction of the World Economic Forum “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy about it.”

It might be a good time to refresh yourselves about what happened in the Russian revolution.

We were previously warned "the Reds are Under the Bed".

They now run all mainstream media and are integrated into political parties and the fed.

Bio-terrorism, Global warming, Financial Control and 5G Total Surveillance are just some of their tools.

This "Agenda" has been a long time in the making.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#158 Post by TPFanatic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:53 pm

Just chiming in to say I remember a certain party whining about unsubstantiated widespread voter fraud 8 and 12 years ago, along with the national debt. Once their champion won they shut up pretty fast about both things. It's all partisan baloney and I for one welcome our new communist/socialist/deep state/reptilian/status quo overlords, as if anything will actually change. :roll:
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#159 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:57 am

And another one bites the dust...
Why am i not surprised?
Trump loses lawsuit that sought to block Pennsylvania win for Biden

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#160 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:27 am

And another one bites the dust...
Why am i not surprised?
Michigan certifies Biden's win as Trump challenges in other key states fizzle
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