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are you taking the covid-19 vaccine

Yes, as soon as it's available to me
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I'll wait for a few months or a bit longer
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I'll wait for a year or longer
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#181 Post by dr_st » Wed May 26, 2021 2:29 pm

*Sigh* this is again people without any understanding of numbers using language manipulations to try to make unsubstantiated claims sound meaningful, in order to make people scared of taking the vaccine. And then they talk about the governments doing the fear-mongering.

Let's do a simple exercise.

1. Suppose that in your country 1,000 people die every day, on average.
2. Suppose that you had some magical way of giving all people in your country a vaccine shot on the same day. And you did that.
3. Suppose that the following day 1,000 people died.

Would you say that 1,000 people died because of the vaccine?

Please, try to just answer this one question, before we discuss it any further.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#182 Post by shawross » Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Let's do a simple exercise.

1. Suppose that in your country 1,000 people die every day, on average.
2. Suppose that you had some magical way of giving all people in your country a vaccine shot on the same day. And you did that.
3. Suppose that the following day 1,000 people died.
This is so nonsensical that it amazes me but it was written by obviously a simple person.

Nobody is saying that the vaccines are killing everyone and vaccine deaths are probably a very low percentage of the normal deaths in a country.

But vaccines should not be killing people full stop. Also these vaccines are causing a higher number of deaths than any other vaccine in history.

I don't believe they are giving the vaccines to directly kill people but yes it is happening but only in low numbers overall.

We have had a Nobel Prize winning virologist and Doctors and now the CDC admitting this so it should be examined more closely.

A decent politician (oxymoron there) would halt these vaccines now and wait till this can be more closely investigated.

I respect your views on Thinkpad hardware and I would stick to focusing on those topics only. Your biases are causing you to vomit up garbage on this particular topic.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#183 Post by betonhaus » Wed May 26, 2021 7:45 pm

dr_st wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 2:29 pm
*Sigh* this is again people without any understanding of numbers using language manipulations to try to make unsubstantiated claims sound meaningful, in order to make people scared of taking the vaccine. And then they talk about the governments doing the fear-mongering.

Let's do a simple exercise.

1. Suppose that in your country 1,000 people die every day, on average.
2. Suppose that you had some magical way of giving all people in your country a vaccine shot on the same day. And you did that.
3. Suppose that the following day 1,000 people died.

Would you say that 1,000 people died because of the vaccine?

Please, try to just answer this one question, before we discuss it any further.
Well thays a dumb way of thinking. You're intentionally missing the key detail that the 1,000 who died were given an official cause of death of reaction to the vaccine.

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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#185 Post by shawross » Thu May 27, 2021 12:31 am

For people who are disputing these facts then I would like to know what other vaccines have been killing people over the last 20 years in the US.

I am not saying that you're wrong but please enlighten us. Vaers might help you .
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#186 Post by dr_st » Thu May 27, 2021 1:11 am

betonhaus wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 7:45 pm
Well thays a dumb way of thinking. You're intentionally missing the key detail that the 1,000 who died were given an official cause of death of reaction to the vaccine.
Were they, though?

Can you point me out to anywhere where it specifically says that the people mentioned in the article "were given an official cause of death of reaction to the vaccine"?
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#187 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu May 27, 2021 1:34 am

And if you believe in that pro-Trump website en-volve.com, then may the Gods Covid-19 help you!
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#188 Post by dr_st » Thu May 27, 2021 2:28 am

shawross wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm
A decent politician (oxymoron there) would halt these vaccines now and wait till this can be more closely investigated.
Wrong. Because a decent politician does not live in fairytale land. A decent politician has to think something like this: "If we continue rolling out the vaccines, such and such number of people will die due to an adverse reaction. If we stop rolling the vaccines, such and such number of people will die of the virus". And then you have to compare the numbers and decide on an optimal course of action. And you have to do it on the fly and adjust as more data rolls in. You do not have the luxury to say "let's stop everything and ponder on it for a year or two", because the world does not stop and wait, and because inaction is also a kind of action, with its own consequences.

So these are the dilemmas that a hypothetical "decent politician" has to deal with. That's what it means to be a policymaker in the real world, and not in fantasy world, where people make childish immature arguments like "it is better to have 1,000 people die of a virus than 1 person die of an adverse reaction to a vaccine".
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Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm
I respect your views on Thinkpad hardware and I would stick to focusing on those topics only. Your biases are causing you to vomit up garbage on this particular topic.
I would say the same to you. Let's just agree to disagree and not try to tell one another what we should and shouldn't talk about.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#189 Post by shawross » Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 am

dr_st wrote:Wrong. Because a decent politician does not live in fairytale land.
OK why don't you name me a decent US President from the last 20 years.

Fear is a powerful weapon.
If we stop rolling the vaccines, such and such number of people will die of the virus".
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#190 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu May 27, 2021 9:43 am

betonhaus wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 12:39 am
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 10:50 pm
I know that I was right 15 months ago.
I feel like it's more important to be right somewhere closer to now.


No, being right earlier is always better. That way you don't compound errors.

And, when it comes to being right, you can rule out the cdc and faustian, who haven't been right from the beginning. cdc was bought as was the faustian.

So many "authorities" on the subject have been bought that you can't trust any of them. The cdc is almost as bad as horton hears a who, with their kowtowing to teachers' unions... :evil: and you Know that the chicoms will NEVER give up anything willingly.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#191 Post by shawross » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:10 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/ ... s/12571462

What is "convalescent plasma".

This is something that is naturally occurring in our bodies and it is why we cope with viruses naturally, You know it as herd immunity.

When a virus passes around our communities our bodies get introduced to the virus and then we build antibodies to fight the virus.

If we are healthy we store those antibodies to fight the virus in case it appears again. If someone who is unhealthy gets the virus and can't
cope they can get a plasma transfusion that came from a healthy person to help them recover.
Then ideally they will start to produce their own antibodies as they recover.

This is the way herd immunity is meant to work.

This is the way nature was designed to work and it has been that way for up to 200,000 years.

Herd immunity works when we mix and interact with other people. We are not meant to self distance or wear masks that drop your blood oxygen levels.
Also if we get sunlight that vitamin D helps our recovery and anyone who has recovered from the flu learns this.
Red Cross Australia wrote:COVID-19 Vaccine and Convalescent Plasma Donor Eligibility Information

Individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine are not able to donate convalescent plasma with the Red Cross.

However, these individuals may be eligible to donate other blood products with the Red Cross including whole blood and platelets if they meet other donation eligibility criteria.
The above text is what the Red Cross posted on their website before "convalescent plasma" went viral. Pardon the pun.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#192 Post by StuB » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:36 pm

Actually quite an interesting thought process.

It's a bit like dynamic range. The Human race has a dynamic range of say 100. Most individual people have a dynamic range of say 10, 20 even. Really clever people have 30 or 40. Specialists. Not one can see the complete picture and make decisions that fail constantly.

I wonder what 5 years from now will look like. Even 1000 years hence. Not good me thinks.

However, my X230 is happily running a fresh install of Windows 8.1 Pro on UEFI/GPT after downloading Windows International English from Microsoft and using Rufus to build a boot stick. All on SSD :banana:

At the end of the day, if you've got a ThinkPad, you made at least one correct decision in your life :D

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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#193 Post by shawross » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:14 pm

LOL Yes for many of us our Thinkpads might outlast us.

At least if we install dodgy software or get a virus we can can do a clean install as you have done.

But for the people who have modified their DNA. Well who knows what happens in the future.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#194 Post by karotlopj » Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:05 pm

shawross wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:14 pm
LOL Yes for many of us our Thinkpads might outlast us.

At least if we install dodgy software or get a virus we can can do a clean install as you have done.

But for the people who have modified their DNA. Well who knows what happens in the future.
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#195 Post by shawross » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:13 am

StuB wrote:I wonder what 5 years from now will look like. Even 1000 years hence. Not good me thinks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm

Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.
This link is from 2006 but it is what HG Wells predicted. You might be amazed what writers like HG Wells and George Orwell (1984) were able to predict.

This is despite both being dead for about 70 years. They could see where things were headed even back then. We are definitely headed into an Orwellian future.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#196 Post by 789 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:01 pm

Those of us who stick to science (not conspiracist hairy tails), said in 2019 when first heard of covid-2019, that it has to be a man-made virus, produced in one of them Fauci laboratories, where Doktor Mad Max develops new diseases. ---It is time to replace the term "Mengele" with "Fauci". Holywood propaganda movies made Mr. Mengele (may he rest in peace) synonymous with "mad scientist doktor". His activities on captives were nothing compared to the United States government's conducting medical experiments on the citizens of Bikini Island, or the Israeli government's medical experiments on black-hebrew children.


In 2019 and 2020, the governments, and their propaganda outlets (BBC, CBC, NBC, NPR, NYT, &c, and every local radio station) released and circulated the conspiracy theory that a Chinese in Wuhan ate a wet bat and as a consequence, gave birth to the 2019 version of Wuhan-bat flu. ---Just as the 1980s the government sponsored a conspiracy theory, that some negro in Africa had sex with a green monkey, and in the process the monkey bit him, and that is how AIDS was invented.

Today the fourth-estate, the agit-prop ministry, is slowly forced to abandon their foolish conspiracy theory (not that they would ever admit that they were wrong) and report the scientific fact that covid-2019 is a fabricated virus ---their only question now is, in which Fauci lab was it manufactured, the Fauci lab in China, or the Fauci lab in the U.S., and how much money had the United States spent on it.

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#197 Post by shawross » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:54 am

In the US ( Fort Dietrich? ) because mainstream are saying it was China. China is the patsy or the Lee Harvey Oswald. Remember history rhymes.
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