So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

[exTPfan]

Well, 30% of the people hospitalized around here have been double-jabbed.

Since 80% of the vulnerable age group (those over 50) are fully vaccinated, simple arithmetic shows that the unvaccinated are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital, in a agreement with the CDC figures.

You do believe in arithmetic don't you?

[mpcook]

They don't magically make you immune to COVID

...

Given that survival rate based on sheer immunity sans any vaccine is ~98% for vast majority of the people...I'm intent on letting my own immune system fight whatever comes its way on its own, but you do you.

Yes exactly and that is natural immunity which has been proven efficient.

Estimates of up to 20-25% of those who contract Covid but do not die, will end up with long term, and some debilitating, symptoms lasting months or more. So, if you're just concerned with death or not death, fine. If you want to avoid feeling sick for months or more, not so fine. In which case the vaccine will be a good idea.

[ajkula66]

Well, 30% of the people hospitalized around here have been double-jabbed.

Since 80% of the vulnerable age group (those over 50) are fully vaccinated, simple arithmetic shows that the unvaccinated are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital, in a agreement with the CDC figures.

You do believe in arithmetic don't you?

You're not paying attention.

I'm not in the States now, and around here ~45% are vaccinated. So your version of arithmetic does not apply.

[Ibthink]

Serbia mainly uses Chinese vaccines made by Sinopharm, which are less effective than vaccines used in Western countries.

I'm intent on letting my own immune system fight whatever comes its way on its own, but you do you.

Well, good luck. I hope you do not collect an Herman Cain award.

[ajkula66]

Serbia mainly uses Chinese vaccines made by Sinopharm, which are less effective than vaccines used in Western countries.

Not quite.

While Sinopharm was the first one to become available here, Pfizer, AZ and Sputnik have also been around for a while. All of them are readily available for anyone interested. Booster shots too...but very few takers.

Well, good luck. I hope you do not collect an Herman Cain award.

Herman Cain was in remission after fighting stage IV colon cancer. While I'm admittedly not in the greatest shape, I'm nowhere near as ill and/or immuno-compromised as Mr. Cain was.

[axur-delmeria]

Herman Cain was in remission after fighting stage IV colon cancer. While I'm admittedly not in the greatest shape, I'm nowhere near as ill and/or immuno-compromised as Mr. Cain was.

The immuno-compromised are especially vulnerable because even when they take the vaccine, their bodies don't/can't generate a sufficient immune response-- COVID antibody tests before and after vaccination (taken weeks later) didn't show a notable difference in antibody levels.
These are the people who will benefit most from herd immunity (i.e everyone gets vaccinated).

"Herman Cain Award" is the Darwin Award specifically for COVID. Herman Cain opposed mask mandates, went to anti-mask rallies, and that's what killed him.

[ajkula66]

These are the people who will benefit most from herd immunity (i.e everyone gets vaccinated).

These are the people who need to take extra care of themselves, Covid or no Covid. There's a reason many of these patients end up in "sterile rooms". I've seen what can look like first hand. Not fun.

"Herman Cain Award" is the Darwin Award specifically for COVID. Herman Cain opposed mask mandates, went to anti-mask rallies, and that's what killed him.

I was not a fan of late Mr. Cain while he was still around, but won't speak ill of the dead either.

It's in pretty bad taste to make fun of someone's demise, regardless of the views that they held. IMO, that is.

[axur-delmeria]

These are the people who need to take extra care of themselves, Covid or no Covid. There's a reason many of these patients end up in "sterile rooms". I've seen what can look like first hand. Not fun.

I'd say the pandemic and the sheer number of people who refuse to do their part have made it even more difficult for the immuno-compromised (as well as those who can't take the vaccine due to valid medical reasons) to take care of themselves.

It's in pretty bad taste to make fun of someone's demise, regardless of the views that they held. IMO, that is.

I take it as a grim reminder to those who don't take COVID seriously. That's all.

[ajkula66]

I'd say the pandemic and the sheer number of people who refuse to do their part have made it even more difficult for the immuno-compromised (as well as those who can't take the vaccine due to valid medical reasons) to take care of themselves.

When I hear someone using the term "do their part" or "pay their fair share" I'm grimly reminded of the collectivist totalitarian spirit that has managed to infect so many otherwise decent people.

I get to choose what "my part" is. Not anyone else, unless they are a deity.

[shawross]

I get to choose what "my part" is. Not anyone else, unless they are a deity.

LoL. To the majority of society Bill Gates, big pharma, the Idiot box, mainstream media, government actors, federal corrupt agencies, politicians and movie actors are deities. I have probably missed many but you get the picture. They only have power because people blindly give up their own power to these charlatans.

[cadillacmike68]

https://www.holistichealthonline.info/p ... -proteins/

So, if I understand this website correctly, I should drink pine needle tea instead?

This thread is really going off the deep end.

I won't comment on the duma$$ who got himself banned, he did it to himself.

Peach flavored (with schnapps) Long Island Iced Teas for me please.

That quack fauci is a lying sack of sh!t, and so is the CDC.

Vaccines - the VA literally shoves one down my throat (or up my nose or in my arm) every year and I still get the flue ever 2-3 years.

Herd immunity is NOT only getting vaccinated, it is having any type of immunity which I have from having caught it this past Jan. I've had head colds that were worse.

[unix_joe]

Finally got the booster. Do to a logistical problem (I didn't want to wait in a long line in South America), I waited a week and flew to the States to get it at Walgreens. It was simple. Got the flu vaccine at the same time. I'm hurting right now but will be fine tomorrow.

My Nokia XR20 started showing 5G connectivity the same day.

[RealBlackStuff]

Finally got the booster.
My Nokia XR20 started showing 5G connectivity the same day.

Finally!
A positive side-effect!

[Bondi]

Finally got the booster.
My Nokia XR20 started showing 5G connectivity the same day.

Finally!
A positive side-effect!

Different vaccines have different side-effects.
After getting Sputnik I'm now visible as a Bluetooth device!

[shawross]

After getting Sputnik I'm now visible as a Bluetooth device!

JDK was obviously joking but I am not to sure if you are or not. I have seen a video from Russia where someone reported this and showed it in operation. LOL

Nothing would surprise me nowadays.

[Bondi]

After getting Sputnik I'm now visible as a Bluetooth device!

... I am not to sure if you are or not.

Man, you can't be serious.

[axur-delmeria]

... I am not to sure if you are or not.

Man, you can't be serious.

It's hard to tell when there's no vocal or facial cues and we're left with just reading words on a screen. JDK's post had the "wink" emoticon to signify that he's joking.

[shawross]

Man, you can't be serious.

As I said before nothing would surprise me.

Currently there is a disinformation war happening in the media and this goes back 100 years.

What is the truth? What is a psyche op? These operations are used to confuse and desensitise people.

It is worldwide but especially in the US. Q Anon is a perfect example. All politics are corrupt and part of the problem.

You might be surprised to know that the majority of people don't realise that COVID vaccines are still in EUA - emergency use authorisation.

This is the reality despite mandates. I don't know much about Sputnik and Russian vaccines though.

Good and important information gets caught up in the swill of propaganda unfortunately.

[Bondi]

Man, you can't be serious.

As I said before nothing would surprise me.

Currently there is a disinformation war happening in the media and this goes back 100 years.

What is the truth? What is a psyche op? These operations are used to confuse and desensitise people.

It is worldwide but especially in the US. Q Anon is a perfect example. All politics are corrupt and part of the problem.

You might be surprised to know that the majority of people don't realise that COVID vaccines are still in EUA - emergency use authorisation.

This is the reality despite mandates. I don't know much about Sputnik and Russian vaccines though.

Good and important information gets caught up in the swill of propaganda unfortunately.

Well, yes, you're right that there is a lot of contradictive information. And my impression is that it's done for purpose, lest people have have any bearings. It relates to many things like democracy, global warming, green energy and so on. I just did not expect my really unbelievable comment ot be taken seriously Yet I accept that it can be confusing without a vocal connotation.
As for Sputnik, it appears to be a good vaccine. As far as I can judge by the people that I know. The lethal statistics among vaccinated is probably worse than it could be, because many people in Russia buy fake vaccination certificates and then get infected and are counted as vaccinated.

[dr_st]

The lethal statistics among vaccinated is probably worse than it could be, because many people in Russia buy fake vaccination certificates and then get infected and are counted as vaccinated.

Good point...

[shawross]

The lethal statistics among vaccinated is probably worse than it could be, because many people in Russia buy fake vaccination certificates and then get infected and are counted as vaccinated.

LOL. You know this is true obviously and COVID deaths are inflated because of this? I didn't notice a wink after this statement. Any proof to support this claim?

Truly vaccinated Russians couldn't possibly be causing the deaths?

Right?

Well, yes, you're right that there is a lot of contradictive information. And my impression is that it's done for purpose, lest people have have any bearings.

I agree totally there.

[Bondi]

The lethal statistics among vaccinated is probably worse than it could be, because many people in Russia buy fake vaccination certificates and then get infected and are counted as vaccinated.

LOL. You know this is true obviously and COVID deaths are inflated because of this? I didn't notice a wink after this statement. Any proof to support this claim?

Truly vaccinated Russians couldn't possibly be causing the deaths?

Right?

Yes, I have a proof for this one. It was actually stated by the head of the institution that produces Sputnik, Alexander Ginzburg, it was widely in the news. Here is some english source https://www.worldstockmarket.net/corona ... tificates/
That's right, truly vaccinated by Sputnik seem to be protected form a severe course of the disease. But we still have only around 35% of vaccinated all over Russia. And these fakely vaccinated cases don't really add the trust to the vaccine. Current death rate is 1100+ daily.

Congrats on opening the borders in Australia, BTW.

[axur-delmeria]

With regards to vaccine hesitancy in Russia, is it due to citizens' distrust in the vaccine itself? How trustful are they of their government?

My country has its own issues regarding vaccine hesitancy, but generally within the greater context of disgruntlement over the current administration's incompetence (real or perceived) regarding its COVID response-- many believe that the private sector could've acquired better vaccines faster and cheaper without the government being obstructive (red tape and corruption).

[Bondi]

With regards to vaccine hesitancy in Russia, is it due to citizens' distrust in the vaccine itself? How trustful are they of their government?

My country has its own issues regarding vaccine hesitancy, but generally within the greater context of disgruntlement over the current administration's incompetence (real or perceived) regarding its COVID response-- many believe that the private sector could've acquired better vaccines faster and cheaper without the government being obstructive (red tape and corruption).

In a wider context, yes, definitely it's a matter of total distrust towards the government and anything that is initiated by it.
Another reason is that Sputnik was registered slightly earlier than other vaccines. And right away it became a political factor. They also unleashed a campaign defaming other vaccines. This entailed a mistrust to all vaccines, including Sputnik, here locally.

[axur-delmeria]

In a wider context, yes, definitely it's a matter of total distrust towards the government and anything that is initiated by it.
Another reason is that Sputnik was registered slightly earlier than other vaccines. And right away it became a political factor. They also unleashed a campaign defaming other vaccines. This entailed a mistrust to all vaccines, including Sputnik, here locally.

It's a problem they created then. *facepalm*
The news that reached the rest of the world was that Sputnik V was approved even before the results of the Phase III trial were released. The implied meaning that it was rushed so Putin could claim bragging rights by having the 1st available vaccine. Not really confidence-inspiring to be honest.

I remember someone online complaining that he became an unwilling test subject because he got 2 first doses of Sputnik V because of problems in manufacturing the 2nd dose-- from what I've read, the Sputnik doses are essentially different vaccines, and not 2 doses of the same vaccine like the rest.

[ajkula66]

In a wider context, yes, definitely it's a matter of total distrust towards the government and anything that is initiated by it.

In other words, healthy skepticism. There *might* still be some hope left for the mankind.

from what I've read, the Sputnik doses are essentially different vaccines, and not 2 doses of the same vaccine like the rest.

Correct.

[dr_st]

The lethal statistics among vaccinated is probably worse than it could be, because many people in Russia buy fake vaccination certificates and then get infected and are counted as vaccinated.

LOL. You know this is true obviously and COVID deaths are inflated because of this? I didn't notice a wink after this statement. Any proof to support this claim?

I don't know if the link later shared by Bondi constitutes "proof". One has to doubt statements by "the head of the institution that produces Sputnik". After all, they have clearly vested interest casting doubt on any data that suggest their vaccine may not be as effective as they claim.

With that said, when it comes to Russia - a country where it was at various points (and maybe still is) considered normal to buy things like a driver's license or a college diploma, I would not be surprised that something like a vaccination certificate would also be available for sale.

With regards to vaccine hesitancy in Russia, is it due to citizens' distrust in the vaccine itself? How trustful are they of their government?

About this there is a funny joke:
https://bash.im/quote/466397
Translation from Russian:

xxx: In San Marino, to which Sputnik-V was kindly provided by Russia and 80% of people were vaccinated, there has not been a single case of the disease for a week already, the magazine "The Lancet" notes.
In Russia itself, where this vaccine was invented, there are more than 25,000 cases per day, since the people do not believe in its effectiveness.

yyy: it's just that in San Marino, the authorities care about the people so they vaccinate them with an imported vaccine. And in Russia - they use a domestic vaccine. It is obvious.

[shawross]

Yes, I have a proof for this one. It was actually stated by the head of the institution that produces Sputnik, Alexander Ginzburg, it was widely in the news. Here is some english source https://www.worldstockmarket.net/corona ... tificates/

This is no way proof and it is s great example of propaganda. Sounds like the Russian Tony Fauci to me. You seriously don't believe this crap do you?

Worldwide these vaccines have been shown to be problematic and causing death and injury. The American VAERS website clarifies this with plenty of Doctors supporting this information.

Just to clarify for you. Anyone with links to government or pharma agencies is not trustworthy.

He clarified that to check if someone has been vaccinated or not, can be done, if he sees the markings of the preparation, which are registered if someone has been vaccinated. "It simply came to our notice then are not present in 80% of these individuals who appear to have be vaccinated."

I am not sure what to make of this gobble de gook. These people should not be trusted and they don't do this because they are concerned for your health.

[mpcook]

HEADLINE: Air Force discharges 27 service members in first apparent dismissals over vaccine refusal

"The Air Force removed 27 people for not obeying orders to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, a spokeswoman said Monday, apparently marking the U.S. military’s first dismissals of those who refuse the shots. More than 94 percent of the Air Force is fully vaccinated, according to the service’s data. But tens of thousands of active-duty members across all services have declined the vaccines, a show of defiance in a culture built around following orders..."

Since when do members of the military decide which lawful orders to follow?

[shawross]

Since when do members of the military decide which lawful orders to follow?

I think it is good sign that military people make independent decisions and not just follow the herd like sheep. They should always put their health and welfare front and centre.

This isn't on a battle ground and it shows critical thinking. They were soldiers and not slaves.