I Have GOT to Get One of These!!!

[Bob Collins]

Thanks Bob. Yep, I'm an unrepentant technophile.

[snippage]

... socially unacceptable automobiles. s

I have been here long enough, I think, to have a pretty good idea of the path you were going. As for the SU Autos, I am working on a deal for an old 7-series, prolly a 99-00 model. That'll be a big change from the 318ti.

Cheers and keep 'em in the 10-ring! hehehehehe

[JHEM]

Cheers and keep 'em in the 10-ring! hehehehehe

0.5MOA Bob!

Regards,

James

[Bob Collins]

0.5MOA Bob!

ROTFLMAO

Hell, that has the accuracy of your wit! Laser-like.

[asiafish]

As a soldier I find this weapon, if it actually exists, to be an amazing thing that we (the US Army) really could use.

[egibbs]

Beware of contractors promising to violate the laws of physics.

Ed Gibbs
(A contractor who only occasionally promises to violate the laws of physics)

[JHEM]

As a soldier I find this weapon, if it actually exists, to be an amazing thing that we (the US Army) really could use.

Like the .50 CAL, it will almost certainly be banned for use against "non-hardened" targets in full auto mode by the Geneva Convention.

However, like the .50 CAL, throw an optical scope or Starlight scope on it and set it for single shot and it's a marvelous long range sniper weapon.

Let's see, at 8K FPS, the rounds would arrive on-target about what, three days ahead of the report of them leaving the weapon?

Regards,

James

B314-3/5SF '67-'68

[egibbs]

However, like the .50 CAL, throw an optical scope or Starlight scope on it and set it for single shot and it's a marvelous long range sniper weapon.

Personally I doubt if it will get enough accuracy to be used as a sniper weapon - I'm skeptical that the release mechanism can be made that accurate and I would expect the trajectory to be exrtoadinarily sensitive to the release time (since the balls are in rapid circular motion). I also can't see a sniper in a tree with an electric motor spinning a drum full of steel balls at 50K RPM - be tough to keep that quiet.

OTOH there is a lot of work going on now in point defense for vehicles like helicopters and Humvees against RPGs. We spend millions protecting a helicopter from IR and RF guided weapons, and some 13 year old kid with a $2 RPG round shoots it out of the sky.

One solution being looked at is a mini version of the Navy's Sea Whiz (a high speed radar guided gun that shoots down incoming sea skimming missiles). If something like the DREAD could be brought to bear quickly enough on an incoming RPG round it could put a wall of metal pellets in front of the round and maybe save some lives (yes - guns can be used to save lives too).

It would be a tough problem though - have to detect the round using IR or radar, determine it's trajectory to find the firing solution, train the gun, and fire off enough rounds to be sure you get the bogey, all in less than a second. And there's usually not just one RPG round coming at you - usually it's 2 or 3.

Ed Gibbs

[MSR_Steve]

One solution being looked at is a mini version of the Navy's Sea Whiz (a high speed radar guided gun that shoots down incoming sea skimming missiles).
Ed Gibbs

That would be the Phalanx CIWS, right? That's an excellent example of using a gun system defensively.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm

[BillMorrow]

Man does that thing look like a fun toy....imagine the ammo costs tho

ammo cost..??
for what amounts to a large bag of.. guess.. BB's..??!!

as for arriving three days before the "BANG!", remember.. no bang..!!
just this super fast BB..

and one thing thats nice about the V12 mercedes..
which i have proved on the fla turnpike these last few mondays on the way to the vet with ailing birds, the 60 to 100 (MPH) time is eyeball popping..
like a few seconds and the guy you wanted to pass is not a speck in your rearview mirror..
as a shrimpy and very shy guy, you won't catch me if i don't want to be caught..

and another thing, for me, i like robert heinlein's (?) rule of shoot first..
now reasonable people do not shoot first if it is the postman at the door, but if the guy at the door is obviously there with inimical intent, its better to explain the body on the doorstep than to BE the body in the entry hall..

reminds me of the "pax romana" of ancient rome, peace through strength..

and it is interesting to read batuta's comments (may he rest in peace) about how we are all war mongers..

explain that one to the poles stalin murdered or the jew hitler murdered or the kurds that saddam murdered..

FWIW, my politics run to small and lean government and strong individual rights andf freedoms..

[end rant]

[BillMorrow]

However, like the .50 CAL, throw an optical scope or Starlight scope on it and set it for single shot and it's a marvelous long range sniper weapon.

Personally I doubt if it will get enough accuracy to be used as a sniper weapon - I'm skeptical that the release mechanism can be made that accurate and I would expect the trajectory to be exrtoadinarily sensitive to the release time (since the balls are in rapid circular motion). I also can't see a sniper in a tree with an electric motor spinning a drum full of steel balls at 50K RPM - be tough to keep that quiet.

OTOH there is a lot of work going on now in point defense for vehicles like helicopters and Humvees against RPGs. We spend millions protecting a helicopter from IR and RF guided weapons, and some 13 year old kid with a $2 RPG round shoots it out of the sky.

One solution being looked at is a mini version of the Navy's Sea Whiz (a high speed radar guided gun that shoots down incoming sea skimming missiles). If something like the DREAD could be brought to bear quickly enough on an incoming RPG round it could put a wall of metal pellets in front of the round and maybe save some lives (yes - guns can be used to save lives too).

It would be a tough problem though - have to detect the round using IR or radar, determine it's trajectory to find the firing solution, train the gun, and fire off enough rounds to be sure you get the bogey, all in less than a second. And there's usually not just one RPG round coming at you - usually it's 2 or 3.

Ed Gibbs

of course, the first generation can't do single shots..

but remember, there is (pun intended) spinoff and 2nd to nth generation weapons that might just do it..

also, seems to me that with todays electronics the calculations can be done within the time needed and then a nice spray of BB's will take out and cut in half the person firing and those around him..

[JHEM]

as for arriving three days before the "BANG!", remember.. no bang..!!
just this super fast BB..

They emit a report as they leave the weapon travelling transonic.

I.e., a lot of faint sonic booms.

And, of course, they'll crack as they go past you, just like 7.62 ball ammo.

(DAMHIKT!)

@Ed, the fact that the venerable .50 CAL is a crew served weapon hasn't detracted in the least from the fact that it makes a marvelous sniper tool. While you wouldn't drag it behind you as you low-crawled in your Gilly suit, set on a tower in a fortified position it's a highly effective suppression tool with an effective range of 2K meters, same as the highly touted Barrett M107. Coincidentally, that's the effective range of the 60mm mortar!

Regards,

James

[JHEM]

and another thing, for me, i like robert heinlein's (?) rule of shoot first..
now reasonable people do not shoot first if it is the postman at the door, but if the guy at the door is obviously there with inimical intent, its better to explain the body on the doorstep than to BE the body in the entry hall.

Far better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!

Heinlein's greatest legacy is TANSTAAFL!

FWIW, my politics run to small and lean government and strong individual rights and freedoms.

"Those are governed best who are governed least."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Regards,

James