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Taurinus X200?

#1 Post by sdi-p » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:17 am

This is not an advertisement!
I just spotted this... Taurinus X200. it is some sort of Thinkpad with Trisquel GNU/Linux preinstalled.
https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200

Is this a viable machine?
Is the pricing out of line? (looks spendy to me)
any significant advantage over the T61?

I have never tried Trisquel GNU/Linux.
I think it should be OK, but I hate the default Gnome3 desktop, and the LXDE desktop on the mini flavor is not a favorite either.
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#2 Post by MikalE » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:50 am

These computers have a unique BIOS flashed that is very secure. No back doors, no work-arounds. Same with the OS. They claim it is virtually un-hackable by anyone on the internet.

I like the concept of the Linux OS, but until it is 100% compatible with what Windows can run and that is offered by hardware/software vendors, I have to stay with Windows for the most part.

I've tried Zorin and Mint. Both OK OS's, but would not run some of my software and no emulator would either. Drivers can be problematic as well.
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#3 Post by brchan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:34 am

Too pricey. $450 for a core 2 duo machine (not even x201) that only has a custom bios and OS is too hard to swallow. The best defense against hackers and malware is to be educated about what to do and what not to do.You avoid 99% of the problems in the first place if you follow these rules.

Still an interesting build nevertheless.
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#4 Post by MikalE » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:51 am

I think this is more about Government intrusion into your system that a pimply faced teenager trying to hack your credit card number or plant a virus or malware.
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#5 Post by brchan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:01 am

The government has always been spying on us. It is just a fact of life. I don't really see the point for a custom bios or os that locks everything down unless you were to be doing something that you shouldn't.

On another note, I wonder why an X201 motherboard wasn't used, since the core i processors give a big boost to performance and extends the usability of the machine.
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#6 Post by sdi-p » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:11 am

That's what I thought... other than the camera they seem the same as my T61s but only 2GB RAM.

It is a sad state, but the few computers that I find with Linux pre-installed are unseasonably expensive.
Vultures.

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just for grins I installed the Trisquel GNU/Linux Mini OS software on the HP dv9000 in front of me..
after the install: the updater did not work, and synaptic would not start.
I manually updated... no change. reboot and no change.

when I again rebooted and selected my preferred LMDE from the Grub list it would not run. same with Mint 17.
I read that they use some GNU version of Grub... so, after fixing Grub the old-fashion way all is OK.

maybe I will try the Trisquel GNU/Linux full version.
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#7 Post by MikalE » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:15 am

brchan wrote:The government has always been spying on us. It is just a fact of life. I don't really see the point for a custom bios or os that locks everything down unless you were to be doing something that you shouldn't.

On another note, I wonder why an X201 motherboard wasn't used, since the core i processors give a big boost to performance and extends the usability of the machine.
It's called the Fourth Amendment. It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not. The Government is not supposed to be snooping around in your system without either a warrant or your permission.
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#8 Post by FryPpy » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:22 am

brchan wrote: On another note, I wonder why an X201 motherboard wasn't used, since the core i processors give a big boost to performance and extends the usability of the machine.
Because there are some issues with coreboot on X201 platform, so it is still not 100% seamless.
sdi-p wrote:Is the pricing out of line? (looks spendy to me)
any significant advantage over the T61?

I have never tried Trisquel GNU/Linux.
I think it should be OK, but I hate the default Gnome3 desktop, and the LXDE desktop on the mini flavor is not a favorite either.
This current Thinkpad overpriced only because of flashed BIOS. Coreboot and Trisquel GNU/Linux is opensource and free. So the extra expense is only for work (flashing BIOS) and WiFi change.
Any way you can get X200 for part of this money and try flashing to CoreBoot yourself if it (Coreboot) is the goal. Or get X201 and more for that money and install any Linux you want.

I can't see any any significant advantage over the T61 except smaller size and weight, but 61-s platform had X61 with similar size and weight.

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#9 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:18 pm

MikalE wrote:
It's called the Fourth Amendment. It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not. The Government is not supposed to be snooping around in your system without either a warrant or your permission.
Yep, but there's also The Patriot Act so...
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#10 Post by rumbero » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:33 pm

FryPpy wrote: This current Thinkpad overpriced only because of flashed BIOS. Coreboot and Trisquel GNU/Linux is opensource and free. So the extra expense is only for work (flashing BIOS) and WiFi change.
This is exactly the very same mindset working musicians have to struggle with when charging a fair amount of money for their shows. People argue that a musician asking for, e.g., 300 $US per player for a performance of about two hours length is greedy and insane, simply because they are not aware that years of training and effort are behind what is perceived by the casual viewer/listener as an effortless flow of joy. And taking into account that musicians find it increasingly harder to play a sufficient amount of performances per year in order to earn a minimum decent living, it is very hard to understand why they constantly have to justify themselves for their remuneration requirements.

The same applies to the development of coreboot/libreboot and all other open source software perceived as being "free" (as in beer). The people doing all this impressive work are investing a non-trivial amount of time and effort, yet nobody of the people ultimately taking advantage of their work results for free seems to be able to understand that such "overprized" customized Thinkpads are well worth every single pence because of the very amount of effort that has gone into making it become a free (as in open) piece of hardware.

The consumer mindset is hardly appropriate here.
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Re: Taurinus X200?

#11 Post by MikalE » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:57 pm

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#12 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:17 pm

rumbero wrote: This is exactly the very same mindset working musicians have to struggle with when charging a fair amount of money for their shows. People argue that a musician asking for, e.g., 300 $US per player for a performance of about two hours length is greedy and insane, simply because they are not aware that years of training and effort are behind what is perceived by the casual viewer/listener as an effortless flow of joy. And taking into account that musicians find it increasingly harder to play a sufficient amount of performances per year in order to earn a minimum decent living, it is very hard to understand why they constantly have to justify themselves for their remuneration requirements.
"Money For Nothing" comes to mind... :D
The same applies to the development of coreboot/libreboot and all other open source software perceived as being "free" (as in beer). The people doing all this impressive work are investing a non-trivial amount of time and effort, yet nobody of the people ultimately taking advantage of their work results for free seems to be able to understand that such "overprized" customized Thinkpads are well worth every single pence because of the very amount of effort that has gone into making it become a free (as in open) piece of hardware.

The consumer mindset is hardly appropriate here.
It's not just the "consumer" mindset. It's also the fact that most people couldn't care less about the actual advantages of coreboot/libreboot. Sad but true.
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#13 Post by kony » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:01 pm

Moreover, they don't sell a lot of such computers, so the price per unit is higher for them too. I support the idea, but as it has been already mentioned, it doesn't really have many advantages for an average user, so I will probably never get one. I do still think that it is important we have such possibility even if 'just in case'.
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#14 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:27 am

If you are handy enough, you can do a Coreboot conversion yourself.
List of supported motherboards (includes a large section of Lenovo): http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Laptops
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#15 Post by jdk » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:50 pm

brchan wrote:On another note, I wonder why an X201 motherboard wasn't used, since the core i processors give a big boost to performance and extends the usability of the machine.
I asked the same thing to one of the devs. Apparently, starting with Nehalem, the processor needs a signed payload to even boot. Intel is not releasing the firmware. So everything after the Core 2 Duo will only work with Coreboot, but not Libreboot.

http://libreboot.org/faq/#intel
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