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Where the most important is: A ban was supported by 71 per cent of people in Poland, 65 per cent in Austria, 53 per cent in Germany and 51 per cent in Italy.
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No? Doesn´t the US have a new government that purely works on the principle of lies ("alternative facts" in new-speak)? Have you not heard of the famous Bowling Green massacre?Puppy wrote:The age of lie has no future.
The age of the lie is just beginning...
Either one happening is pretty unlikely right now, so don´t bank on it. The UK is a special case, because they always were against a united Europe. They probably never should have joined, de Gaulle was right.RealBlackStuff wrote:Looming next:
Frexit: France leaving the EU
Nexit: Netherlands leaving the EU.
Marine Le Pen, the candidate of the French Nazi party, is polling 35 % tops for the second round, and Wilders in the Netherlands would not be able to form a government on his own, he would still need coalition partners.
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of the big trouble. Because one can "bring a solution" and we already know from the past how it ends.Ibthink wrote:The age of the lie is just beginning...
There is nothing wrong with a united Europe. The current EU is just one big beaurocratic dinosaur driven by clueless people that goes against its inhabitants.Ibthink wrote:The UK is a special case, because they always were against a united Europe.
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Not for nothing, but anyone calling party that Le Pen leads a Nazi party is just outright disrespecting all of those who had suffered under the *real* Nazis...Ibthink wrote: Marine Le Pen, the candidate of the French Nazi party, is polling 35 % tops for the second round,
Far right they are. But not anywhere close to National Socialists of the early 1930s. Not by any stretch of imagination.
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They were certainly very clever "rebranding" them self under Marine´s leadership, but until 2011, they were openly fascist and also a partner of the German NPD, which is our own neo-Nazi party. I don´t think its disrespecful to call them out for what they are, even if they hide since 2011. On the contrary: It is most respectful towards the victims of the Nazis to fight todays Nazis.ajkula66 wrote:Not for nothing, but anyone calling party that Le Pen leads a Nazi party is just outright disrespecting all of those who had suffered under the *real* Nazis...
Far right they are. But not anywhere close to National Socialists of the early 1930s. Not by any stretch of imagination.
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I can't say that I'm an expert on NPD but will tell you that I was at several social gatherings where Mr. Le Pen was present some 20 years ago and while I don't personally share many of his opinions and beliefs, I don't see him as a Nazi. What-so-ever.Ibthink wrote:They were certainly very clever "rebranding" them self under Marine´s leadership, but until 2011, they were openly fascist and also a partner of the German NPD, which is our own neo-Nazi party.ajkula66 wrote:Not for nothing, but anyone calling party that Le Pen leads a Nazi party is just outright disrespecting all of those who had suffered under the *real* Nazis...
Far right they are. But not anywhere close to National Socialists of the early 1930s. Not by any stretch of imagination.
People today - be it on purpose or not - fail to remember the "Socialist" aspect of the original Nazis. Today's far-right parties spread throughout Europe - including Le Pen's - have very little to do with anything socialist.
While I'd agree with you in principle, my view is that you're calling out the wrong people.On the contrary: It is most respectful towards the victims of the Nazis to fight todays Nazis.
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Their main audience are die-hard Neo-Nazis and skinheads. Recently, our Constitutional court ruled that they would have been banned, if they weren´t so unimportant.ajkula66 wrote:I can't say that I'm an expert on NPD
Unfortunately, there is a different party now that has taken the place of the NPD...
Oh - the "socialist aspect" of the Nazis? Lets go deeper into this...ajkula66 wrote:People today - be it on purpose or not - fail to remember the "Socialist" aspect of the original Nazis. Today's far-right parties spread throughout Europe - including Le Pen's - have very little to do with anything socialist.
The Nazis of course had the word socialist in the name...does that mean they were actually socialist? Nazis were a fascist party. Fascism is an extreme form of conservatism, since its glorifies the past and promises to "bring back the glory days". This was very apparent with Hitler, who saw himself in the tradition of old German Barbarians and mythical heroes (and of course German Emperors and Kings), but it also is visible with the Italian Fascist Party, which always talked about Rome as the "predecessor" of Italy. Fascism is an ideology with a pessimistic outlook - the future is bad, we have to go back to the glory days, restoring the Nation to its former "glory".
Contrast that with Socialism/Communism, which is a ideology with a very optimistic outlook for the future, with the hypothetical, never reached Communism, which is essentially Utopia, where everyone has anything. This fundamental difference alone makes both very much incompatible. One is looking back, the other is looking ahead.
If we want to take a look at the Nazis actions: No sign of actual Socialism anywhere. The first things they did was to ban the KPD (Communist Party), then the SPD (Social Democrat Party) and then the free unions, very much to the liking of the employers and big companies. The Nazis actually were supported by the rich people in Germany. They worked together hand in hand, no one who was Rich had to fear the Nazis (well, except for Jews or people who openly opposed Hitler). Also, the biggest voter group that supported the Nazis rise to power were the middle classes (which is a very interesting phenomenon, extremism from the middle part of society). There are often arguments that the Nazis did implement some interventionist-policies, and that is true. They also build infrastructure. However, that was all for the preparation of the war, and they worked hand in hand with the economic elites of Germany.
As far as the party goes, Hitler got rid of all the "unwanted elements" in his own party soon enough after his rise to power (look it up - the Night of the Long Knifes as well as Gregor Strasser). These were the more revolutionary, probably more socialistic oriented elements of his party, that were needed for the rise to power, but problematic for Hitler after he got into power. A similar process happened in the Italian Fascist party.
Fascism is a perversion of conservatism, and the economic policies which Hitler implemented can not be called "socialist". It was more a kind of Capitalism where the State cooperated with the Rich, State Capitalism. That the Nazis were actually "socialist" is a myth I have heard very often from the right, but in reality, the socialists were Hitlers greatest enemies and also one of the things that helped him get into power - the fear of Communism or to be more precise, the fear of the Soviet Union amongst the middle and upper classes. The Nazis used the Socialist angle to get into power and to get some support from workers. The rich people the Nazis wanted to fight were only the Jews, who were of course "robbing the German race and stealing the land and wealth".
That brings me to todays extreme right and also the FN: If you look at their proposed economic policies, they can not be described as liberal at all. In fact, they are borrowing some things from the left. The same goes for Donald Trump, who actually condemned the establishment and the Wall street before his election. What has Trump done now? Unleash the Wall Street once again, to the great delight of the big banks (which only prepares the next big crash ala 2007). Why do you think the stock market is going up since Trump was elected? The American workers in the rust belt have been conned by a Billionaire who will only make things worse in the long run.
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You do realize that Mussolini was a Socialist leader - and persecuted as such - before forming his own party, and that Lenin's words to Italian Socialists were: "Why did you allow yourself to lose Mussolini?"Ibthink wrote: but it also is visible with the Italian Fascist Party, which always talked about Rome as the "predecessor" of Italy. Fascism is an ideology with a pessimistic outlook - the future is bad, we have to go back to the glory days, restoring the Nation to its former "glory".
There was no optimism in the Socialist-hoping-to-become-Communist world. None. Repression - yes. State paranoia and Thought Police - yes. You are too young and were probably born on the wrong side of The Wall to remember that. Some of us lived through that "optimism" and are unlikely to forget it, ever.Contrast that with Socialism/Communism, which is a ideology with a very optimistic outlook for the future, with the hypothetical, never reached Communism, which is essentially Utopia, where everyone has anything. This fundamental difference alone makes both very much incompatible. One is looking back, the other is looking ahead.
So the contrast is not as strong as some may imagine. At all. The essence behind all of it is totalitarian frame of mind. Which was shared by both Communists and Nazis.
As did in Communist parties all over Europe...let alone USSR...quite a few similarities there.As far as the party goes, Hitler got rid of all the "unwanted elements" in his own party soon enough after his rise to power (look it up - the Night of the Long Knifes as well as Gregor Strasser). These were the more revolutionary, probably more socialistic oriented elements of his party, that were needed for the rise to power, but problematic for Hitler after he got into power. A similar process happened in the Italian Fascist party.
American workers are desperate after 25 years of globalism and 40 years of Reaganomics. That's why they voted for Trump. And they knew all too well that they couldn't trust Mrs. Clinton one bit. In all fairness, they were the one who had nothing to lose. They will be no worse off under Trump than they would've been under Mrs. Clinton.That brings me to todays extreme right and also the FN: If you look at their proposed economic policies, they can not be described as liberal at all. In fact, they are borrowing some things from the left. The same goes for Donald Trump, who actually condemned the establishment and the Wall street before his election. What has Trump done now? Unleash the Wall Street once again, to the great delight of the big banks (which only prepares the next big crash ala 2007). Why do you think the stock market is going up since Trump was elected? The American workers in the rust belt have been conned by a Billionaire who will only make things worse in the long run.
As for the big banks, they're the ones who never lose. At least they haven't until now.
My point being: the real danger is not on the so-called "far right". The real danger comes from globalists and banksters, which are pretty much one and the same. And they are everywhere. And have many more faces than the ones that we're used to seeing.
The most important ones rarely get seen, or talked about.
A famous curse states: "may you live in interesting times". We all are right now. Some of us have just been doing it longer than the others.
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To be clear, I wasn´t talking about Stalinism or the "existent socialism in reality" - I was talking about the ideology at its core. I am very well aware of all the atrocities that were commited in the name of Socialism and the repression etc., Stalinism in particular has many similarities with fascism (such as the cult around as strong leader).ajkula66 wrote:There was no optimism in the Socialist-hoping-to-become-Communist world. None. Repression - yes. State paranoia and Thought Police - yes. You are too young and were probably born on the wrong side of The Wall to remember that. Some of us lived through that "optimism" and are unlikely to forget it, ever.
So the contrast is not as strong as some may imagine. At all. The essence behind all of it is totalitarian frame of mind. Which was shared by both Communists and Nazis.
The biggest difference between the Communist and the Fascist dictatorships is that there was no wealth redistribution in the Fascist systems, while in the Communist systems, there were these attempts. Example is land-ownership, in Fascism, big land owners could keep their land, while in Communism, they had to give it to the state.
ajkula66 wrote:As did in Communist parties all over Europe...let alone USSR...quite a few similarities there.
This is an interesting point, because if you look at the fascist parties, there was really only one big purge, which removed all unwanted people. In the Communist parties, there were purges every few years. This is because of their different structure, the Fascist parties did not allow as many people to join and the party itself became pretty insignificant compared with the state and the military, while in the Communist systems, the party retained or gained even more importance.
The Democrats made a big mistake in choosing Clinton. However, with his amateurish behavior, Trump could destroy much more in a short time. Which is apparently as intended, as his important advisor Steven Bannon said, he wants to destroy the current state/system.ajkula66 wrote:American workers are desperate after 25 years of globalism and 40 years of Reaganomics. That's why they voted for Trump. And they knew all too well that they couldn't trust Mrs. Clinton one bit. In all fairness, they were the one who had nothing to lose. They will be no worse off under Trump than they would've been under Mrs. Clinton.
The Dodd-Frank-Act did regulate them somewhat, maybe not enough, but better than nothing. However, with Trump working to remove that little regulation (his reason for it: his rich friends couldn´t get money from the banks as easily as 10 years ago), the next economic disaster is on the horizon.ajkula66 wrote:As for the big banks, they're the ones who never lose. At least they haven't until now.
The problem is that the far right has no cure for it, they will only burn everything down to "solve" the issues with the current systems. I am not really sure if that helps. We had such governments all around Europe in the 1930s, and before the First World War people also believed that the war would have a "cleansing effect, clearing everything up" - how wrong they were...ajkula66 wrote:My point being: the real danger is not on the so-called "far right". The real danger comes from globalists and banksters, which are pretty much one and the same. And they are everywhere. And have many more faces than the ones that we're used to seeing.
Another problem is: Capitalism doesn´t need democracy to work. In the end, we could have a world where racist governments work hand in hand with the "banksters" and other rich people, while wars and Climate change destroy huge parts of the Earth.
I personally don´t want that to happen. As an optimist, I hope people will come to their senses at some point.
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I disagree. No one went to jail for what happened in 2008, and the banks are as greedy as ever. Investment banking needs to be separated from retail once and for all. Take it from someone who has been married to a (now retired) investment banker for the better part of the past two decades.Ibthink wrote: The Dodd-Frank-Act did regulate them somewhat, maybe not enough, but better than nothing.
While this may be true, democracy has only worked - at least to some extent - in the capitalist system, at least in recent memory...Another problem is: Capitalism doesn´t need democracy to work.
Both racism and climate change are issues hugely overblown to distract people from paying attention to the stuff that actually matters...In the end, we could have a world where racist governments work hand in hand with the "banksters" and other rich people, while wars and Climate change destroy huge parts of the Earth.
Optimism is the prerogative of youth, and I'd never deny anyone's right to it.As an optimist, I hope people will come to their senses at some point.
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Apparently it works.ajkula66 wrote:Both racism and climate change are issues hugely overblown to distract people from paying attention to the stuff that actually matters..
It is similar to overuse of 'Nazi' labelling of those who don't agree with current terrible immigration politics. Similar to 'Communist' labelling of those who didn't agree with 'wild' privatisation of state property (= biggest frauds and corruption cases) here in 90's after the 'revolution' in 1989.
After the WW2 they had to rebuild agricultural industry as fast as possible. Communist party still needed land owners to work on their fields etc because that is the only way that is effective. Later in 50's where it was successfully rebuilt they started with forced collectivization and stole most of land from their owners. Actually land owners did not have to give it to the state but Communists hackle workers against land owners so in many cases there weren't any people left to work on it so you the land owner had to give up anyway (there is very good movie about that era).Ibthink wrote:The biggest difference between the Communist and the Fascist dictatorships is that there was no wealth redistribution in the Fascist systems, while in the Communist systems, there were these attempts. Example is land-ownership, in Fascism, big land owners could keep their land, while in Communism, they had to give it to the state.
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What actually attributes her to be so related to Nazi ideology in your view ? We have (as in other countries) small groups of extremists who openly adore the Nazi ideology but fortunately it is typically bunch of idiots that can not reach bigger audience. And it is hard to ban it since the Communist ideology is still accepted over hereIbthink wrote:Marine Le Pen, the candidate of the French Nazi party
On the other hand current leader party ANO (translates to YES in english) led by former agent of communist state security who also controls media (similar to Berlusconi) and got big money by frauds in the wild privatisation in 90's, is getting actually closer to these ideologies but nobody see that. It has started with much strong position of the state against people and showing his power, more strict and complex tax rules including additional bureaucracy, more and higher penalties for everything targeting especially small companies and individuals (he owns biggest agriculture company receiving huge amount of EU subsidies and he needs to get rid of competition by enforcing such rules on them), more internet communication spying and right to shutdown any "incorrect" website ... simply more control over people's live. It sounds familiar. So I am getting more scared of this person and his party (that reached big popularity unfortunately, despite of his past) progress because it is getting closer to these -isms than small bunch of idiots who adore Nazi ideology directly. The real danger is how clever they are.
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Meanwhile, in USA things don't look all that bright either: http://imgur.com/gallery/1DiNn
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People voted for Trump because his character was different than a typical politician, also since the DNC's corruption got revealed they didn't want Clinton. America also has a real problem with violent young liberals who believe in white-guilt and censorship. Trump's presidency can be seen as the cacophony of right wing voters' way of sticking it to their self-overblown 'evil liberal' monster and reminding the rest of America that they and their interests still exist. Then there are the real people who voted for Obama or were Democrats their entire life who voted for Trump because they both campaigned on "change." More like "change back."
USA is screwed up in that its people hate each other and it's been this way for a long time.
USA is screwed up in that its people hate each other and it's been this way for a long time.
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That's one of the reasons why I have put our house on the market and want to leave this country ASAP!TPFanatic wrote:USA is screwed up in that its people hate each other and it's been this way for a long time.
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In the US it seems like you have about 60 million people who are convinced the DNC is out to 'get' them so they fell in line to support an incredibly corrupt party who would put party politics over any other threat including treason, corruption, science, womens' health, any rights for anyone not middle class white males.
For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics every anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics every anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
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There are countries that are stable and prosperous? I can think of about one right now...TonyJZX wrote: For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics every anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
And don't kid yourself: if Europe and/or U.S. flies off the tangent, the rest of the world will bear the consequences as well...
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If you have that attitude, there's no where you can run to.ajkula66 wrote:There are countries that are stable and prosperous? I can think of about one right now...TonyJZX wrote: For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics every anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
And don't kid yourself: if Europe and/or U.S. flies off the tangent, the rest of the world will bear the consequences as well...
I would suspect that there's millions of people in certain western nations who are absolutely fine no matter what happens in the US outside of something cataclysmic.
At worst I can see the US invading Iran for.... 'reasons' but what's the worst that can happen to a Canadian, for example, without any bone to pick with the issues the US has?
Then again, its your country, if you think the current administration is such a danger, its your fight to fix, not the rest of the worlds.
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There isn't. I'm on my third country right now.TonyJZX wrote: If you have that attitude, there's no where you can run to.
2008 was a close call. The next time around it will be 1929 all over again.I would suspect that there's millions of people in certain western nations who are absolutely fine no matter what happens in the US outside of something cataclysmic.
You're looking in the wrong direction. There will be no military invasion of any kind.At worst I can see the US invading Iran for.... 'reasons' but what's the worst that can happen to a Canadian, for example, without any bone to pick with the issues the US has?
It's not my country - I just reside here on a temporary basis - and I have no intent on fixing it. The "rest of the world" is trying to fix what's not broken at its own peril.Then again, its your country, if you think the current administration is such a danger, its your fight to fix, not the rest of the worlds.
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It's not all that funny, seeing that The Donald hung up on your PM Turnbull...TonyJZX wrote:For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics ever anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
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And yet, Trumbull eventually won when the US decided to allow Manus Island refugees to come into the US.RealBlackStuff wrote:It's not all that funny, seeing that The Donald hung up on your PM Turnbull...TonyJZX wrote:For us in countries who are stable and prosperous its funny to watch what is possibly the most incredible few weeks in politics ever anywhere outside of the unpleasantness pre WW2.
You have to ask yourself, what is the Trump card (as it were) that Turnbull had that made Donald change his decision within 24 hrs?
Must be some severe pull Turnbull has?
I'm ok... my family is wealthy, capitalised into the 10 of millions of dollars, coupled with the positions countries like Australia and Canada have, they are relatively insulated from world events. I'm saying this to illustrate that there are many people insulated from GFC 2 whatever.
But hey, with this current Russian business, hopefully this administration gets some trouble.
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The kicker from the Trump and Trumbull deal is Australia will keep supporting the US in its corrupt wars in the Middle East creating even more refugees.
If things go askew in the US it will affect the world economy. The world is in a weakened state currently and I hope the current Trump wave keeps rolling for a while yet.
If things go askew in the US it will affect the world economy. The world is in a weakened state currently and I hope the current Trump wave keeps rolling for a while yet.
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first of all the european and american muslim immigration invasion has to stop it will destabilize europe forever and europe will lose its culture and heritage. also while reading few of the above comments made me realize how much the political religio socio and economic and banking system needs tos needs to be overhauled and uprooted and destroyed. If you read daniel 2:44 it will happen. The book of Revelation talks about governments as fierce beasts and religions as harlots..and isnt that the case for thousands of years they have acted this way towards the masses and guess who suffers? The average hard working person. Thats why we need the kingdom as the only solution for the worlds woes.
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This is true but I'm not sure how many countries will go blindly into the middle east if the US decides it needs to do Syria or Iran.shawross wrote:The kicker from the Trump and Trumbull deal is Australia will keep supporting the US in its corrupt wars in the Middle East creating even more refugees.
If things go askew in the US it will affect the world economy. The world is in a weakened state currently and I hope the current Trump wave keeps rolling for a while yet.
Syria is more likely given Mattis is exploring both.
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If the Liberals are still in power in Australia then Australian troops would support America regardless.
It is the ideology of the right wing of the Libs that have Turnbull controlled like a puppet.
Future generations will only wonder at the stupidity and futility of this. Much of the same way we did going into Iraq.
History repeats when Ideology is twisted and corrupt.
It is the ideology of the right wing of the Libs that have Turnbull controlled like a puppet.
Future generations will only wonder at the stupidity and futility of this. Much of the same way we did going into Iraq.
History repeats when Ideology is twisted and corrupt.
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Thing is though, the US and AU and pretty much every western nation runs a volunteer military so that future burden falls on a small number of people.
I'm putting it out there, besides the incredible cost, that the US and the satellite western nations sending forces over there doesnt have a huge bearing on many of us except higher energy costs.
I'm putting it out there, besides the incredible cost, that the US and the satellite western nations sending forces over there doesnt have a huge bearing on many of us except higher energy costs.
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What pi$$es me off is the way the US "worships" Veterans (except those of WW-II).
The US fights and loses wars in foreign countries (like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq) that are none of their business to begin with.
Then those that get killed, wounded or go daft there are treated here as heroes, WTF?
They are not defending their own country, they all volunteered to kill people in other countries, why should they be honored?
The US fights and loses wars in foreign countries (like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq) that are none of their business to begin with.
Then those that get killed, wounded or go daft there are treated here as heroes, WTF?
They are not defending their own country, they all volunteered to kill people in other countries, why should they be honored?
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The US and other countries do this to encourage recruitment of soldiers. It is a form of mind control to make the populace think it is honorable to sacrifice oneself for corrupt ideological wars.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger... My home country Ireland close to the brunt...
I can't resist, this is hilarious example of stupidity:
Sweden Builds Camel Park to Help Integrate Migrants http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02 ... -migrants/
The city hopes the camel centre being built in the migrant-dominated suburb of Angered will be able to provide jobs for foreign residents who are otherwise struggling to find a place in the country’s labour market.
Sweden Builds Camel Park to Help Integrate Migrants http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02 ... -migrants/
The city hopes the camel centre being built in the migrant-dominated suburb of Angered will be able to provide jobs for foreign residents who are otherwise struggling to find a place in the country’s labour market.
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Re: EU seems to be in danger... My home country Ireland close to the brunt...
I applaud you sir for taking a very controversial stance.RealBlackStuff wrote:What pi$$es me off is the way the US "worships" Veterans (except those of WW-II).
The US fights and loses wars in foreign countries (like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq) that are none of their business to begin with.
Then those that get killed, wounded or go daft there are treated here as heroes, WTF?
They are not defending their own country, they all volunteered to kill people in other countries, why should they be honored?
The way the world seems to work is that the soldier is asked to do a task, he is not political.
They are a extension of politics. I agree the modern wars are not for any kind of national freedom, they are to extend the US political will.
I am not one to blindly prostrate at the altar of the soldier however I'm also not one to overlook their sacrifice.
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