EU seems to be in danger...

[ajkula66]

I've read large fragments of Quaran and - as with the bible - I think as far as you're not a psycho, you are not likely to start killing just having read that:)

I believe that it was Goebbels who (in)famously stated that he could find five sentences in any book that would lead to author's execution...

Bits and pieces don't count, IMO. Only the entire text.

Problems are with the ones who do however start the killing. This has very little to do with their belief.

Having witnessed a war that had a *lot* to do with both beliefs and religion(s), I'd beg to differ.

[evening_hunger]

Having witnessed a war that had a *lot* to do with both beliefs and religion(s), I'd beg to differ.

That's what the idiots starting these wars tell their societies. They have much more to do with individual's insanity that anyone would admit. But hey, it's not like there's any discrepancy between our views. We're rather quarreling which description lingo suits more here: macro-political or micro-indvidual-craziness one. No biggie from my POV

[Puppy]

Two attacks in single day in Germany. It is going to be out of control

[ajkula66]

Having witnessed a war that had a *lot* to do with both beliefs and religion(s), I'd beg to differ.

That's what the idiots starting these wars tell their societies.

You underestimate - IMO - the power of collective memory, and the depth of hate often associated with it. Centuries-old-wounds open up much easier than we would like to believe...

They have much more to do with individual's insanity that anyone would admit.

I was honestly stunned - although in hindsight I shouldn't have been - with the sheer number of "normal" people who turned into monsters before my own eyes. My take is that everyone has that aspect sleeping in them, just waiting for a particular set of circumstances to unleash the beast...

But hey, it's not like there's any discrepancy between our views. We're rather quarreling which description lingo suits more here: macro-political or micro-indvidual-craziness one. No biggie from my POV

Well, yes and no. Back to the original idea of this thread...

You seem to be pro-EU, while I'm vehemently against it and would like to see it dead and gone in its current form, sooner than later.

[Puppy]

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/ ... schen.html

Jedoch denken viele Deutsche, dass nicht nur Schutzbedürftige, sondern auch Terroristen als Flüchtlinge ins Land kommen. Diese Meinung vertreten hierzulande 71 Prozent.

Translated: However, many Germans (71%) think, that not only people in need of protection, but also terrorists-playing-refugee, come into their country.

The rest 29% probably have undergone lobotomy There must be either a strong propaganda/brainwashing in local media or these people are being extremely naive. At least they have finally discovered what was clear from the beginning:

Translated: Most foreigners who wish to enter as refugees in my country, are actually no refugees. They come for economic reasons or to draw from social services to their advantage.

Congrats Unfortunately too late ...

[Ibthink]

Wow. Right-wing low-quality media magazine agrees with right wing propaganda, what a surprise there

At least they have finally discovered what was clear from the beginning:

Translated: Most foreigners who wish to enter as refugees in my country, are actually no refugees. They come for economic reasons or to draw from social services to their advantage.

To which only 51 % in the study agree...

Most Germans are still pro-refugee, and the current government still has clear majority support.

[RealBlackStuff]

I heard through the grapevine that Merkel was to be ousted soon, because of her letting in everybody and their old mother...

[Ibthink]

Merkel will very, very likely get re-elected next year.

[ajkula66]

I heard through the grapevine that Merkel was to be ousted soon, because of her letting in everybody and their old mother...

Merkel will very, very likely get re-elected next year.

Well, we'll see when the election time comes...

[Puppy]

Most Germans are still pro-refugee, and the current government still has clear majority support.

Still not enough personal experience with the 'cultural enrichment'. You'll get it soon or later when there is no solution at all.

[Puppy]

Most Germans are still pro-refugee, and the current government still has clear majority support.

Half of Germans against Merkel serving fourth term: poll
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germa ... SKCN11306L

Half of the 501 people questioned in the Emnid poll for the Bild am Sonntag newspaper were against Merkel staying in office beyond the 2017 election, with 42 percent wanting her to remain.

First positive news

[Ibthink]

First positive news

This means nothing. The only really important poll is how much the parties are projected to get in next years general election.

One of the most recent polls:

- CDU 34 %

- SPD 22 %

- Green 12 %

- AfD 11 %

- Left 10 %

- FDP 5 %

Merkels party is the CDU. With 34 % and being the strongest party, its almost guaranteed Merkel stays in office. Current government CDU - SPD has 56 % and could easily stay in office. Also, its worth mentioning that FDP and Green would also support Merkel in a government, and the only party really opposed to Merkels refugee policy is AfD.

The only opposition party that could kick Merkel out of the office is the SPD, which only has one option for taking over the government. A coalition with Green and Left. However, even with them they are too weak right now in the polls to take over government, and they would most likely be as refugee-friendly as Merkel, if not more.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[ajkula66]

First positive news

This means nothing. The only really important poll is who much the parties are projected to get in next years general election.

Polls gave zero chance to Trump becoming the Republican nominee a year ago. Not to mention that it was expected for UK to vote "remain"...even shortly before the vote.

I'm not an expert on the current political situation in Germany and will therefore refrain from predicting Merkel's future. What I am saying, though, is that we are living in an interesting time where the polls seem to have a lot less significance than they had five years ago, regardless of the country involved in the equation...

A lot can happen in a year...

[Puppy]

"We can not make it" https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... r-aus.html

A realistic view of the problem.

[RealBlackStuff]

Just reading the text in that link, it doesn't sound all that realistic.
If you ask me, it's just another trying-to-make-some money, waffling on endlessly about a few (very local) problems...

[Puppy]

Denmark Allows Migrants to Break Law and Keep Child Brides
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09 ... ld-brides/

What else, stoning women allowed them next time ? This is going the wrong direction faster than I expected.

[Puppy]

Aussie immigration architect: Europe ‘just making up excuses’
http://www.politico.eu/article/architec ... extremism/

“Europeans think it’s easy in Australia to control our borders, but they’re just making up excuses for doing nothing themselves,” Molan said.

Very true

[TonyJZX]

Aussie immigration architect: Europe ‘just making up excuses’
http://www.politico.eu/article/architec ... extremism/

“Europeans think it’s easy in Australia to control our borders, but they’re just making up excuses for doing nothing themselves,” Molan said.

Very true

I think these kinds of discussions rile up people who may not have been adversaries or opponents of sorts on what is ostensibly a site about discussing a peculiar brand of laptop.

I'm sure a discussion about Trump would go down a treat!

Be that as it may...

The Australian system 'works' only because the parties involved.... the LNP, the Labor party, Murdoch media and the Australian public at large, do not care about refugees.

Out of side, out of mind.

As long as the govt. imprisons brown people in deplorable conditions and the media keeps a lid on it, no one cares.

I dont think holding women and children and young men for years, without hope, is any solution. So they sew their lips up, they injure themselves and maybe commit suicide, maybe get sexually abused by Serco or Wilson or G4S whatever conglomo is doing the bad work this week...

The only thing going for Australia is that because its thousands of miles of sea between them and the 'brown people' then we only get the minor dregs of the 3rd world coming here.

Sure Australia holds up its UN obligations by putting Sudanese or whoever into remote parts of Australia without much in the way of jobs or opportunity but obviously $500 a fortnight and govt. housing in remote Australia is better than any conditions back in Africa.

Its an intractible situation with no solution that costs billions every year but hey, at least its not Europe...

[Summilux]

http://www.breitbart.com/

Puh-lease I thought you were better than this.

As long as the govt. imprisons brown people in deplorable conditions and the media keeps a lid on it, no one cares.

Australia is basically doing what happens in Western Europe, except in reverse. I.e. doing the opposite of letting """"refugees"""" roam free, let them dirty the places they illegally occupy, and having the media take any opportunity to hide their illegal status under the lid - instead whining 24/7 about the POOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN* FLEEING WAR-TORN CUNTRIES §§§

'Wish we had your problems.

*Poster's note : lol, where are they ? Somehow the media never explains why it's only young men flooding Europe.

Sure Australia holds up its UN obligations

There's your issue. Adhering to the "United Nations" in the first place.

[Road_Hog]

http://www.breitbart.com/

Puh-lease I thought you were better than this.

Would you prefer the article it quoted, The Times of London?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/migra ... -52djb7l3g

It is the same outcome/result, but maybe it is better and has more credibility?

[Puppy]

Orwell's Ministry of Truth becomes reality in Germany http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/15/14277 ... er-germany

It is clear what kind of "lies" is supposed to "correct" It is interesting to watch the progess of big troubles that started innocently and quietly (again).

[Puppy]

It is the same outcome/result, but maybe it is better and has more credibility?

I don't know much about the first link. I read about it in local Czech media and tried to find an english version, that's all.

Just another politically incorrect "hoax" article that will be banned by that NGO in the future German court calls synagogue torching an act to 'criticize Israel'

[Road_Hog]

It is the same outcome/result, but maybe it is better and has more credibility?

I don't know much about the first link. I read about it in local Czech media and tried to find an english version, that's all.

There is nothing wrong with Breibart, but Summilux didn't seem to trust it, so I gave him The Times, which he will not be able to dispute.

As for Germany, I would not worry about what happens there, they are a lost cause like Sweden. They will vote for their own extinction, they are beyond hope. They will vote Mutti Merkel back in, so that she can complete her plan of destruction. The Germans like order, they will form an orderly queue to vote for the death of their nation.

I just hope Britain is pulling out and pulling up the draw bridge (three cheers for being an island) in time to save ourselves from the madness of the EU.

[Puppy]

As for Germany, I would not worry about what happens there, they are a lost cause like Sweden. They will vote for their own extinction, they are beyond hope. They will vote Mutti Merkel back in, so that she can complete her plan of destruction. The Germans like order, they will form an orderly queue to vote for the death of their nation.

I still hope there are more clever people than it seems now in Germany. I watch the situation because it is our neighborhood country. I am still fascinated by their ability to recover after the second world war but now they can destroy most of the success by a single wrong decision. On the other hand they have already proven ability to raise big conflicts I don't think that Merkel and Juncker is to blame only, all these NGOs (now protected by the Ministry of Truth) are big part of the problem as well.

I spent few days in Essen and Oberhausen last October and was a bit shocked. I already understand why Duisburg is called Duistambul by many germans and it was also clear that no deep integration (cultural and language) is possible.

The situation in Sweden is also sad any mystery for me.

[Summilux]

but maybe it is better and has more credibility?

Indeed. Original sources are always better than far rightist blogs known for purposefully distorting what they quote.

There is nothing wrong with Breibart, but Summilux didn't seem to trust it, so I gave him The Times, which he will not be able to dispute.

There's plenty of things wrong with Breitbart, and that's precisely and solely what I was disputing.

[TonyJZX]

In this thread today I heard there's nothing wrong with Breitbart.

[Puppy]

There's plenty of things wrong with Breitbart, and that's precisely and solely what I was disputing.

Don't worry, the Ministry of Truth will handle it. You'll end up with the only correct information source, I have already lived in such era. Everyone will be happy ... until last man doing any productive work gives up.

[Puppy]

As for Germany, I would not worry about what happens there, they are a lost cause like Sweden.

Sweden: Immigrants Arrested After ‘Gang-Raping Woman on Facebook Live’ http://www.infowars.com/sweden-immigran ... book-live/ or if you prefer the politically correct version http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186 It is hopeless how media are still trying to hide the (grim) reality.

[Puppy]

Sweden in CHAOS as police officer says migrants ARE to blame for most serious crime
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/764 ... ious-crime

"Everyone knows why, but no one dares or wants to say why"

Sound very familiar to me The age of lie has no future.

[RealBlackStuff]

We already had Brexit: Brittain leaving the EU
Looming next:
Frexit: France leaving the EU
Nexit: Netherlands leaving the EU.