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Re: EU seems to be in danger...

#271 Post by Puppy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:29 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:12 am
But in order to actually fight globalization, we must get rid of the political correctness first.
Very well said :thumbs-UP:
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#272 Post by coolcat37 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:51 am

This is quite a fetching read https://www.rt.com/news/431799-gang-sho ... es-sweden/

It seems Sweden is on the very front of what is transpiring in Europe

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#273 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:26 am

That rt.com is a Putain-controlled Russian "fake news" website.
I thought you were smarter than that...

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#274 Post by coolcat37 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:14 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:26 am
That rt.com is a Putain-controlled Russian "fake news" website.
I thought you were smarter than that...
So what's your claim here? That what's in that article is false?

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#275 Post by Ibthink » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:52 am

Russia targets Sweden to destabilize the country ahead of their elections: https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... ng-2018-06

No coincidence that the Russia Today (RT) article quotes the statements of a politician from the Sweden Democrats. Thats completely biased, as they do not quote other Swedish politicians or experts – only a politician of a party that hopes to profit from spreading social unrest.

As RealBlackStuff correctly asserted, Russia Today is the Kremlin's propaganda tool. Reading articles there is like reading opinion pieces written by Wladimir Putin himself.
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#276 Post by coolcat37 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:05 am

Fine, you wanna close your eyes that's one thing. Problem is that that rt article is a combination of different 4 rt articles. Those 4 different rt articles all link to local (Swedish, UK, French etc) newspapers and reports. So they only gathered what was already publicized by Western entities.

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#277 Post by Puppy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:41 am

We are facing typical results of the political correctness here. While the RT site is a propaganda tool, you can't deny that some information there are still true but intentionally exaggerated. Some EU representatives lies that there are absolutely no no-go zones in the name of the political correctness, Russian propaganda takes the opportunity. That's typical action and reaction.

If EU representatives stopped to lie, there won't be a room for speculations nor so many cloned propaganda web sites. Unfortunately the result is that you can't trust anyone now (well, it used to be always like that, after all :) ). If you want to know the truth, you have to go to these areas and see the real situation yourself. A bit sad result considering all the technical development of this century that allows us to watch live news from the other side of the Earth.

@Ibthink: no, things aren't so polarized, there are no clear good and bad ones. Everyone lies on purpose, just have different goals.
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#278 Post by coolcat37 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:34 pm

Puppy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:41 am
If you want to know the truth, you have to go to these areas and see the real situation yourself.
So true. Those politicians live in their own bubble and have no connection with the common people who are suffering under their decisions.

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#279 Post by Ibthink » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:33 am

Puppy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:41 am
@Ibthink: no, things aren't so polarized, there are no clear good and bad ones. Everyone lies on purpose, just have different goals.
I disagree. There are some obvious good sources of information and some obvious bad ones – and in between both extremes is a lot of grey area. RT is an example for a bad source of information that takes news with a kernel of truth and then twists and spins it to create propaganda.

This chart is a pretty good visual representation for that (even though it mostly only contains American sites): http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.c ... -min-2.jpg

"Going to the area and see for yourself" is a nice idea, but unrealistic. And even that doesn't truly help you in all cases, because sometimes things are not what they seem to be – you can't truly know unless you investigate and at this point, you have to be an investigative journalist. Add to that that everyone has his own personal bias and humans tend to focus more on information that confirms the views they already have.

In the end, the best option is to select a few sources that are not the obvious bad ones and compare them. If they all report something, chances are that its true.
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#280 Post by Puppy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:33 am
RT is an example for a bad source of information that takes news with a kernel of truth and then twists and spins it to create propaganda.
And why it is so successful?

Because it is response to what "good" sources do (for instance local public tv and radio), they take real news but censors some (true) information in the name of political correctness or silly local EU politics. For instance, if there is just another car/acid attack, they know the names and/or nationality of the attackers but intentionally hides them because in many cases it is a Muslim name(s). And this is how it begins ...

Another reason is that western countries underestimated Russian power. Russia is behind when it comes to new technology development, they aren't able to catch up with latest technologies even in military sector but they're still very good in doing propaganda, so they focused on Internet news and social media. But it wouldn't have been so successful if ... my previous paragraph.
Ibthink wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:33 am
In the end, the best option is to select a view sources that are not the obvious bad ones and compare them. If they all report something, chances are that its true.
That's what all we do but again, we have different opinion on what are the bad (or rather untrustworthy) ones :D
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#281 Post by BillMorrow » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:10 am

just popping in here to say RT is like CNN et al (ex. FOX) here in the USA.. all propaganda all the time..
whether it is soft propaganda or gentle spin or NOT reporting real news or in-your-face propaganda, lies, fake news etc. it is all serving the interests of putin and his cronies..
just my 2 cents..

over here, not to start a war with the never trumpers, trump is doing amazing things in spite of all the DC swamp has arrayed against him..

when i have an hour i'll take a look at this entire thread.. :)
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#282 Post by Puppy » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:36 am

Violence at Ceuta fence as 600 migrants storm border
https://www.thelocal.es/20180726/violen ... rder-fence

A statement from the Guardia Civil police force in Ceuta said "Some 800 migrants attempted to scale the perimeter fence, attempting to cut through the fence using shears at around 6.45 on Thursday morning. "To prevent officers from approaching the area where the entry attempt was taking place, the migrants used violence including defensive material such as homemade shields and threw tubes and bottles containing excrement and quicklime. The used aerosol cans as flame throwers and sticks and stones as missiles.

Will Merkel invite and accept those? Can I also use violence and bottles containing excrement as an invitation to Germany to get their social security support for years and do no work in return? Which is the only thing those illegal fake migrants are after.
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#283 Post by BillMorrow » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:11 am

i think this particular issue is spain's problem at least for now..

desperation makes people do desperate things..
if these migrants are desperate..
look at our southern border where people flood in for a good job and sane (more or less) society.. they come for money.. you can't save everyone who needs saving and you can't allow an invasion to go on even if they call it asylum or similar..

if they are only seeking the EU dream (is there one..?) then ship them back..
before they claim asylum..
europe has long been a target for islam since charles martel..
this is only one more skirmish..

as for the EU, i think it is not founded like the USA was in 1776/1789.. we were of a common parentage.. the europeans have been squabbling, or worse, since that roman debacle in a german forest 1800 years ago and 400 years before islam so trying to knit it into a USA-like great nation is going to be troublesome.. just my off-the-cuff thoughts on the matter..
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#284 Post by Puppy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:22 am

Sudanese immigrant Salih Khater named as Westminster ‘attacker’
https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/15/westmins ... r-7840587/
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#285 Post by BillMorrow » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:28 am

my brother in law, who lives in brighton in a new penthouse apartment is totally unfazed by all the whooo-haw of muslims running amok..
but then he is a socialist so since such craziness as that he deems normal, islamo terrorists will elicit a yawn from him..
when wife was there last month the dinner table became a war zone if she mentioned trump.. hard to fathom how such smart people can be wearing blinders.. :eek:

AND, that sudanese guy is no immigrant, he is an asylum seeker don't ya know.. :)
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#286 Post by Puppy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:22 am

Rape in the Great Garden: Police are looking for witnesses
https://www.radiodresden.de/beitrag/ver ... en-550048/

On Sunday morning, a woman (28) in the Great Garden was raped by a stranger. The 28-year-old Czech citizen was on his way from Lenné Square through the Great Garden when she first addressed the stranger. He then pushed her to the ground and went to her. The unknown should be about 30 to 40 years old and about 1.90 m tall and strong. He should have a dark complexion and brown eyes. At the time of the crime, the man wore a white shirt and short hair.

When reported by local media they did their best to hide the attacker description, namely the 'dark complexion and brown eyes' part. As usually, as more people in comments pointed out to the original story on the link above they fixed it later. And this is the real danger ... As for 'modus operandi' we can be almost 100% sure who is the attacker.
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#287 Post by zod » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:38 am

This is a very interesting topic, and I certainly didn't expect to see one here. It seems most of the ThinkPaders are Thinkers as well. Just want to share my personal experience. I worked for a huge international IT company, had a nice career there, until my boss asked me about my opinion on refugees two years ago. I told him that they are not refugees at all, some of them are economical migrants, most of them are radicals sent here to destroy European societies and values. He called me racist and I lost my job six months after expressing that opinion, followed by extensive backstabbing activities of my boss. And that was about the last time I have thought about working for corporation, as I'm sick and tired of politically correct guys who are trying to make you dumb and blind. Most of the liberals I have met there were just hiding their incompetence behind their mindless liberal views. Others were silent, in order to keep their jobs. I work as an IoT and automation freelancer now, and I'm happy to be - free.

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#288 Post by Puppy » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:37 am

BREAKING: Man armed with a knife stabbed at least three people, killing one and injuring two seriously while shouting "Allah Akbar" in the Paris suburb of #Trappes. , the attacker has been shot and "neutralised" by security forces
https://twitter.com/News_Executive/stat ... 8856629248

Local medial says that 'the motivation of the attack is unknown yet'. I really don't know what to say :twisted:
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#289 Post by Galeb_G2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:58 am

Sure, RT is definitely propaganda, that's written to show Russia's opinion on what's happening... but the thing is that it isn't any more biased than, let's say, the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, France 24 or anything, news outlets have always been political weapons used by whoever's paying, be it a state or a company. I'm not even being critical, it would be like being critical of rain when saying it's wet ; it's just why media exists.

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#290 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:55 am

Galeb_G2 wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:58 am
Sure, RT is definitely propaganda, that's written to show Russia's opinion on what's happening... but the thing is that it isn't any more biased than, let's say, the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, France 24 or anything, news outlets have always been political weapons used by whoever's paying, be it a state or a company. I'm not even being critical, it would be like being critical of rain when saying it's wet ; it's just why media exists.
I, for one, enjoyed RT until it got pulled from the list of channels available on Roku. While they were heavily rooting for Sanders in the 2016 election, one could hear a lot of things - actual news - that the other media outlets ignored. Here in the States they had some pretty serious names on their program as well. with Larry King and late Ed Schultz having their own shows...
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#291 Post by Puppy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:36 am

Sweden rape: Most convicted attackers foreign-born, says TV
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764
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#292 Post by Puppy » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:13 am

Just another knife assault in Germany - Chemnitz. One dead, two three injured
https://www.freiepresse.de/chemnitz/nac ... el10295294

According to police, an initial verbal dispute between people of several nationalities led to the assault. Initial information, according to which men rushed to the aid of a woman who had been sexually harassed, denied the police department Chemnitz on Sunday morning.

As police spokeswoman Jana Ulbricht announced, both the dead and the two injured men have a German nationality. The nationality of the two arrested 22- and 23-year-olds will not be announced because it is not yet clear whether they are even in connection with the incident.

Oh yes ... we aren't allowed to know the truth if Merkel's engineers are involved again :twisted:
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#293 Post by Puppy » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:52 am

German schools in crisis amid teacher exodus
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... er-exodus/

"In Berlin, 70 per cent of newly hired primary school teachers are without any educational background," he told the Passauer Neue Presse newspaper. He added that a “whole generation” of school pupils will be harmed by the shortage.

The job has become more demanding, with bigger classes being filled with children who are at different levels, Ms Tepe said. Many children also have language difficulties, she said. As a result, a lot of new teachers don’t last long in the profession.

No solution until the whole truth is said.
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#294 Post by BillMorrow » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:32 pm

well, you guys let "them" in.. at least here we have a president who can see the danger..
which is why the democrat liberal progressives all hate him..
islam and democrat liberal progressiveism are one and the same.. both insist on total control of everyone except their elites.. islamists call their elites "mullahs" and here our elites are movie actors of limited talent, politicians of extreme belligerence and google employees and owners..
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#295 Post by coolcat37 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:06 am

BillMorrow wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:32 pm
well, you guys let "them" in..
i must say we didn't let them in. this was fostered from way up. try noticing how hard you're being effed by the upper echelons/decision makers or organizing yourselves while working fulltime. it's impossible. and that's by design. you think people had a say in this?


btw puppy has been inactive the past few weeks, but for those who care: more deaths in germany and france in immigration related crimes. also, more r4pes but don't forget to go out and get that frappucino at starbucks and upload your newest selfie online

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#296 Post by Puppy » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:15 am

Cross in Lesvos pulled down after coexistence group on the island claims it’s offensive to migrants
https://greekcitytimes.com/2018/10/09/c ... -migrants/

According to Lesvos News, the placement of the cross caused negative reactions from aid organisations :twisted: and a letter was sent to the Harbour Minister of Lesvos and the Mayor of Lesvos, by a coexistence group in Lesvos, stating the Cross was placed there to prevent migrants from swimming. :roll:
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#297 Post by dr_st » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:24 am

I know I will regret my participation in this thread, which will now haunt me forever in the list of threads I responded to, but it was impossible to pass by this hilarious quote, which I assume is directly from the letter of complaint sent by said "coexistence group":
“A few days ago they placed at Apeli of Mytilene a large cross, in order to prevent other people (refugees and migrants) from coming to swim. This act is illegal, unsightly (reminiscent of a grave) but mostly offensive to the symbol of Christianity, a symbol of love and sacrifice, not racism and intolerance.”
So, the cross, which is "a symbol of love and sacrifice", merely by its presence, becomes a symbol of "racism and intolerance". What is the manifestation of racism and intolerance? The presence of the cross itself.

Think about it for half a minute. :mrgreen:

In Russian there is a saying, which essentially means "to make something up (fabricate) and then take offense at that". I would say this saying suits the situation well, if I had not not known the situation to be an expression of much more serious, grave issues".
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#298 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:13 am

Also notice the island's name: Lesvos with a v.
Not too long ago, and for centuries, if not millennia, it was called: Lesbos with a b.
But I guess that was "too insulting to women..."

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#299 Post by mpcook » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:19 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:13 am
Also notice the island's name: Lesvos with a v.
Not too long ago, and for centuries, if not millennia, it was called: Lesbos with a b.
But I guess that was "too insulting to women..."
Apparently beta ("b" in English) is pronunced with the English sound of "v" so however you spell it in non-Greek characters, it is pronounced as "lesvos". I only know this because my aunt lived in Athens for 35 years and taught English to Greek students. So not really a nepharious reason for multiple spellings. Maybe there is a Greek on board who knows better than I.
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#300 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:30 am

Ahem...that very island of Lesbos has its name in the root of the word "lesbian"...so I guess something has changed for reasons unknown.

Linguistics aside, the story just shows - once and again - that the Western civilization is hellbent on committing suicide.... :roll:
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