EU seems to be in danger...

[Puppy]

So what now. Europe has reached (by the foolishness of their representatives) to the point where security is getting closer to situation in Israel. Instead of learning from them EU wants to disarm their citizens. The worst thing is that nothing will change after the attack in Nice again. Just bunch of empty speech and another thousands of illegal immigrants we "have to accept" and "respect their culture". All of this is just a step toward a raise of another Hitler that "brings a solution"

What I found really bizzare is that some media reports the truck driver was a French.

[evening_hunger]

My friend. There's been milion of Tunisians with French passports in southern France back when Czechoslovakia was still communist. Juncker, Tusk and EU have little to do with that.

[RealBlackStuff]

I was watching Newt Gingrich last night on TV, commenting on that horrible fanatic's attack in Nice, France.

What I don't understand is why anybody in their right mind(!) would want to live by these Sharia "laws": http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html
But indoctrinated groups like ISIS would just love to impose them on everybody else, starting with Europe.
Those are one type of immigrants you don't want in ANY country.

But, Europe is not the US. It's never going to be as homogeneous.

In the US every State has its own laws, different taxes, different school systems, different highway speeds, etc.
Given half a chance, Texas (and possibly a few more states) would secede in a heartbeat.
And in this country, if you have enough money and a big mouth, it seems like you can just buy the Presidency...
There are only two major political parties (Democrats and Republicans), and both are corrupt as anything.
There are numerous government organisations, with names made up of any crazy alphabet combination you can think of (like FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, IRS, NRO, INR, DIA, TFI, etc.) who are all spying on everybody.
There's also a lot of hate going on here because of racism, resulting in almost daily shootings, one worse than the other!

The US also has its Constitution, which apparently it is not anywhere near where people want it, see this:
Approximately 11,539 proposals to amend the Constitution have been introduced in Congress since 1789

Not very united, these Americans, are they?

[evening_hunger]

True. But the grass is always greener on the other side. For Europeans, it's often other side of the pond.

[coolcat37]

True. But the grass is always greener on the other side. For Europeans, it's often other side of the pond.

Is your comment about Europeans thinking the US is more homogeneous? Or that it's better (living) in the US overall?

[Puppy]

Those are one type of immigrants you don't want in ANY country.

Unfortunately that is the cultural enrichment we have to accept At least that's what all local non-profit organizations supporting those so called immigrants says every day: "You have to accept", "You have to support", "You have to understand", "It is fault of invidiuals, there is no connection to the Islam religion" ... over and over. No, I don't have to. Maybe these non-profit organizations are actually the root cause of all this mess.

My friend. There's been milion of Tunisians with French passports in southern France back when Czechoslovakia was still communist. Juncker, Tusk and EU have little to do with that.

How comes that similar attacks hadn't happened before, still no connection ?

[Ibthink]

How comes that similar attacks hadn't happened before, still no connection ?

Uhm...all terrorists attacks in France so far have been done by French citizens with North African heritage. Not by refugees.

[evening_hunger]

True. But the grass is always greener on the other side. For Europeans, it's often other side of the pond.

Is your comment about Europeans thinking the US is more homogeneous? Or that it's better (living) in the US overall?

Oh I know US is not more homogenous, I was thinking better living, yes.

[evening_hunger]

How comes that similar attacks hadn't happened before, still no connection ?

Please familiarize yourself with this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _in_France

edit: This is also interesting http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-k ... -1970-2015

[AIX]

..and now Turkey, last night was a long night, we surely don't get bored here, that's why USA loves Europe. We love you too guys!

[coolcat37]

..and now Turkey, last night was a long night, we surely don't get bored here, that's why USA loves Europe. We love you too guys!

You consider Turkey as an European country?

[AIX]

You consider Turkey as an European country?

What should I say? Turkey is important enough to Europe for us to care, don't you think?

[coolcat37]

You consider Turkey as an European country?

What should I say? Turkey is important enough to Europe for us to care, don't you think?

Well we should keep an eye on it, sure
But admitting it to the EU with everything Erdogan has done and is doing would be preposterous don't you think

[AIX]

But admitting it to the EU with everything Erdogan has done and is doing would be preposterous don't you think

Too big and populous, and probably will outnumber the biggest EU countries in a few years; so no, this is not gonna happen, France and Germany won't accept such a big change to the distribution of power in the EU, nor the EE will accept 75+ mil. Muslims in the union. And we have yet to talk about human rights, press freedom, etc.

[Puppy]

What should I say? Turkey is important enough to Europe for us to care, don't you think?

Yes, to care about protecting Europe from continuous islamization. Turkey must not be accepted as EU member, at least not with Erdogan.

[Puppy]

Uhm...all terrorists attacks in France so far have been done by French citizens with North African heritage. Not by refugees.

The issue is (Two of the Jihadis sneaked into Europe via Greece by posing as refugees and being rescued from a sinking migrant boat) that EU accepts anyone without any checking.

[evening_hunger]

@Puppy: agree, that's BS. I think some anger at no-check acceptance of immigrants *is* common sense.
Agree also on Erdogan, he can get an union with [censored] Putin not with EU with such 'democratic' standards. I have no idea what this coup d'etat was, seems staged...

[Puppy]

http://meredithaz.worldnow.com/story/32 ... -ax-attack
A German police investigator says that among many notes found in the train attacker's home is one that convinced them that his motivation was Islamic extremism. Authorities say the 17-year-old Afghan asylum-seeker shouted "Allahu akbar" (Arabic for "God is great") as he attacked people on the regional train near the Bavarian city of Wuerzburg on Monday night, and a hand-painted IS flag was found during a search of his room. Five people were wounded, including two in life-threatening condition.

Man 'knifes French woman and her three daughters' in Alpine resort http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... g-scantil/
French woman and her three young daughters were severely injured when they were stabbed at a holiday resort on Tuesday by a Moroccan-born man who reportedly shouted that they were too scantily dressed. ... The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

No, I don't want this here.

[evening_hunger]

Noone does. We're waiting for constructive proposals then. What do you want, concentration camps for Arabs? Civil war in France? Whites take shotguns and start killing non-whites? Nuke northern Africa?

Sorry for being provocative but I frequently get the impression the right-wing wants nothing else. Obviously we're in [censored], but I repeat: what to do? The borders are already pretty much closed. The immigration to France has 50 years of history, and 4.5 millions of French have arabic origins. That's all with NO connection to EU whatsoever. Same for Spain.

To be clear, I perfectly comprehend some people have objections to 'refugees'. I'm fine with that, but as said, this is now blocked to large extent by our wonderful friend Erdogan. So, what else to do? I'm really wondering what madame LePen will/would do once she wins elections. What Trump will do once he's president.

[Ibthink]

Correct. All possible alternatives lead straight into fascism right there, where people are imprisoned for their religion and/or ethnicity.

Also, one should not forget: This is what ISIS wants. They want Western states to "declare war" on all Muslims. They want conflict and escalation, and they want to have all Muslims united behind them (because today, most Muslims reject and even mock them).

The thing they hated the most, was that Europe, particularly Germany, took so many Muslim refugees from Syria in. Because their ideology says that Western culture and the Western states are representing evil. So the EU taking in so many Muslim refugees, helping them in a dire situation, was a big thorn in their side.

[Puppy]

We're waiting for constructive proposals then.

First neccessary step is to stop lie or to hide "incorrect" information. Telling a whole truth leads to a solution, without that it is impossible to resolve anything.

Also, one should not forget: This is what ISIS wants.

Don't underestimate them. They wanted exactly what's happening in Europe now (no defense because they knew EU will think the same way as you). It is just one step ahead of what you think they wanted. EU is too preditcable in that and thus so weak.

They want Western states to "declare war" on all Muslims. They want conflict and escalation, and they want to have all Muslims united behind them (because today, most Muslims reject and even mock them).

The war has already started but Europe has capitulated due these lies and political correctness.

So the EU taking in so many Muslim refugees, helping them in a dire situation, was a big thorn in their side.

I think they're rather lauhging out loud how stupid we are. The nation that lost ability to protect itself is lost. The islam hateful (and medieval in many aspects) ideology have to be treated the same way as communism of fascism. No tolerance at all.

When helping others you still have to care about your safety first, for instance in situations like electrical shock. EU has failed at all to even think about that.

[Ibthink]

The islam hateful (and medieval in many aspects) ideology have to be treated the same way as communism of fascism. No tolerance at all.

Ah, thats the old tale of Islam being an ideology, rather then a religion. Making millions to billions of people part of this "ideology", even when they are peaceful. There is a big difference between an ideology like fascism or communism, or capitalism, and a religion. There is a ideology connected to Islam, and thats radical Islamism. But most Muslims are not Islamists.

What ISIS does is considered un-islamic by most Muslim people, and also not in the Quran - actually the Quran says that killing innocent is a sin, and forbids such terrorism. Making the 90 % of Muslims who reject ISIS out to be responsible and "guilty" for these actions is a quite fascist thought.

But your opinion on this is already set, you are on the warpath - then go, be a warrior. If people like you succeed, then World War 3 is just around the corner...

[evening_hunger]

From my POV, people with Puppy's stance (generally: right-wing anti immiigrant) are a little bit off the issue. They talk a little bit less about the issue itself (i.e. immigration, Arabs per se) and a lot more about: EU incompetence, conspiracy theory entitled "Isis plays EU", and generall bashing of everyone that "trusts that non-christian <insert expletives>".

So it's more like: "why oh why world doesn't listen to us". Okay: I'm listening. Please explain to me how do you prevent a guy from taking a truck and riding into people. Everyone can do it. You most likely want to 'keep them out'. Whoops, no way, most of them born here. So? Little camp?

That is consistent: in Britain, Ukip bashed EU for "forcing refugees on them". In Germany, Afd says government sucks because it is resposable for crisis. In France, LePen has a crosshair on Hollande because it is "his fault". We're no longer "independent". In Poland, the current quasi-nazi govt even mastered a TV newsman explanation of how their political opposition is guilty of Nice attack. Using logic that makes normal people facepalm at best. But to hell with it, the goal is to scare people. It's just to construct clever sentences with words "terror" and "Brussels" connected together in a way that dances waltz.

Anyhow, scarred people are easy to manipulate. They will vote for the one who promises fear will end. Hence I would even want LePen, Afd, Ukip, and all the Hitlers to take power. Why? Because you only can convince voters by exposing the weakness of what they propose

[Puppy]

But most Muslims are not Islamists.

But you can not ignore that statistically most terrorists lately were Muslims. With thousands of them moving in the EU without any documents or false documents it just increases the risk, simple math. I call that irresponsibility of EU that did not stop that at the beginning. I do believe the islam itself is always radical as "there is no a half-pregnant women" (don't know whether it translates to other languages). Yes, not all of them become terrorists but in many cases they push their rules to others, in a completely different culture context.

Please explain to me how do you prevent a guy from taking a truck and riding into people.

Definitely not by a global forced disarming of people (or police) what EU offers as a "peaceful" solution to the problem Note that I don't like weapons and don't want to own one. Just watching the progress ...

[Puppy]

Anyhow, scarred people are easy to manipulate. They will vote for the one who promises fear will end.

Yes, history is repeating. But do you feel that current situation when there are such problems almost every day is acceptable without any action taken ? The only EU thesis "we have to accept that" because as Merkel said those immigrants will help german economy while more than 30% of them are reported to be illiterate (or even more ?) and up to 100% of them may have a false documents I don't feel comfortable with. I will not vote for another Hitler, don't worry, but I am worried that many other people do (and I can understand them they want to survive).

Some countries like Norway even tried to bribe them to leave the country. Sorry but this is a complete failure and another sign of weakness.

[coolcat37]

Best just give them 10 000 euros.
https://www.rt.com/news/344743-refugees ... ree-money/

Of course we don't want WW3 to happen. Perhaps you want a civil war then?

Also, why should (Western) European countries shoulder the influx of refugees. last time I checked it waz Bush and Blair who came to the Middle East in search for non-existing 'weapons of mass destruction', oh yeah... and to bring democracy. The UK and US basically dragged other NATO countries in that crap. Now that civilians are fleeing those destroyed countries, the UK all of a sudden don't want immigrants/refugees anymore. Doesn't seem fair to me. Perhaps we could put EU money together to create a shuttle express for refugees straight to the United States of America, the land of the free and home of the brave, the last bastion of true democracy. You created them refugees, now you deal with them, US!

[ajkula66]

Instead of offering my opinion, I'll give a piece of unsolicited advice to everyone participating in this thread: read the Quran and make your own conclusions.

I did exactly that a couple of decades ago.

[shawross]

There are people behind US politics that are driving what we are seeing now in Europe. They aren't particularly concerned with harmony as it doesn't suit their agenda.
They collude with others from outside the US and their agendas involve Communism and certain Muslim states.

It doesn't matter who sits in the oval office they will still drive foreign policy. Whether Hillary or Trump sit in the chair it won't matter.

They have been around for over 50 years and their objective is total control.

[AIX]

They have been around for over 50 years and their objective is total control.

For what? Like a hobby?

"You lived what anybody gets, Bernie. You got a lifetime. No more. No less."

[evening_hunger]

Instead of offering my opinion, I'll give a piece of unsolicited advice to everyone participating in this thread: read the Quran and make your own conclusions.
I did exactly that a couple of decades ago.

I'm not a Muslim, nor Christian for that matter, but AFAIK there are juicy pieces in Bible too. I've read large fragments of Quaran and - as with the bible - I think as far as you're not a psycho, you are not likely to start killing just having read that:)
Problems are with the ones who do however start the killing. This has very little to do with their belief.

It is true US messed up middle east. But there are signs of something worse, far worse. It is climate change - global warming. I'm not going into quarell is it humanity's fault (don't care at this point). Fact is, it's happening, making equatorial regions less and less hospitable. Even if it hasn't started yet, mass migration from "hot" to "colder" places awaits us. 25k people a year will be a nice memory some decades from now, when millions move north. And the same may happen in Americas.