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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#31 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:19 pm

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Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:03 pm
Sexy flat and thin bezels may be wooing everyone here tired of their Thinkpads but my preferred screen size is 15.4" WUXGA.
I would argue that out of the "conventional" resolutions WUXGA is likely the most productive one by default for a person with average eyesight, be it on 15.4" or even 17.0" LCD. It's a shame that we never got to see an IPS 15.4" WUXGA anywhere...
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#32 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:53 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:19 pm
TPFanatic wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:03 pm
Sexy flat and thin bezels may be wooing everyone here tired of their Thinkpads but my preferred screen size is 15.4" WUXGA.
I would argue that out of the "conventional" resolutions WUXGA is likely the most productive one by default for a person with average eyesight, be it on 15.4" or even 17.0" LCD. It's a shame that we never got to see an IPS 15.4" WUXGA anywhere...
What does it matter that it is only TN? Yea, the viewing angles are a bit bleak but the junk that they put on the P50 was IPS and it sucked. The WUXGA TN panels(ones from Sharp) rocked the socks off the P50's IPS panel! Same with the W700. A good TN panel can still have really nice viewing angles, like the one on my X220.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#33 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:10 pm

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Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:53 pm
What does it matter that it is only TN?
To me it does. My eyes get tired a lot faster when using a TN panel than an IPS one, presuming that both are CCFL-lit.
Yea, the viewing angles are a bit bleak but the junk that they put on the P50 was IPS and it sucked. The WUXGA TN panels(ones from Sharp) rocked the socks off the P50's IPS panel! Same with the W700. A good TN panel can still have really nice viewing angles, like the one on my X220.
Sharp WUXGA screens are indeed nice, and I've been recommending them here on the forum for quite some time now. Likely one of the best TN panels I've ever come across. No first-hand experience with the P50, so I can't comment on its LCD.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#34 Post by Puppy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:42 am

jdk wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:22 pm
Space grey, 256gb i5.
I see. 256 GB is a bit low. It is also overpriced in EU as usually, more than 30% up compared to US price :(

Just more questions. According reviews there supposed to be Windows 10 Pro version while Amazon specs have (probably wrong) Windows 10 Home. Does it have TPM? The specs are mess.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#35 Post by exTPfan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:26 am

It's not about having "sexy thin bezels". It's about having the largest screen for a given laptop size.

Ratio of screen area to that of laptop:
TP25 (16:9) 69.1%
T60 (4:3) 14.1in 77.2%
T60 (4:3) 15in 78.3%
X60/X61 (4:3) 81.7%
Matebook X (3:2) 88%.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#36 Post by jdk » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:20 pm

Puppy wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:42 am
I see. 256 GB is a bit low. It is also overpriced in EU as usually, more than 30% up compared to US price :(

Just more questions. According reviews there supposed to be Windows 10 Pro version while Amazon specs have (probably wrong) Windows 10 Home. Does it have TPM? The specs are mess.
TPM version 2.0. Windows 10 Home. Ordered from Amazon.
exTPfan wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:26 am
It's not about having "sexy thin bezels". It's about having the largest screen for a given laptop size.
For me, it was about having the nicest screen possible. That isn't something I can get on a new ThinkPad anymore.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#37 Post by Puppy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:15 am

jdk wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:20 pm
TPM version 2.0. Windows 10 Home. Ordered from Amazon.
Hmm ... that means additional cost of upgrade to Pro :|
jdk wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:20 pm
For me, it was about having the nicest screen possible. That isn't something I can get on a new ThinkPad anymore.
I am also tired of "Lenovo can not" while others can. The more people buy 3:2 over 16:9 the more chance to become common.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#38 Post by Puppy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:09 am

Chuwi LapBook 12.3 (Celeron, 2K IPS) Laptop Review

Yes, it is cheap chinese underpowered laptop for 300 Euro. But the display parameters are still impressive. As one comments says: Wow, 300 euro notebook has better display than almost any T-series Lenovo.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#39 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:04 pm

1920 comparison: https://i.imgur.com/hSZWqxY.png

Maybe a taskbar or two's worth of additional space.

XGA comparison: https://i.imgur.com/ZfaQrMH.png

Hate to say it but 1366x768 has the most pixels here.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#40 Post by thinkpadgeek91 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:53 pm

I have a 12.9" iPad Pro that is 3:2. I like that screen a lot.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#41 Post by Puppy » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:41 am

Huawei unveils Matebook X Pro laptop with a stunning truly bezel-free display
https://mspoweruser.com/huawei-unveils- ... e-display/
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#42 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:42 am

Puppy wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:41 am
Huawei unveils Matebook X Pro laptop with a stunning truly bezel-free display
https://mspoweruser.com/huawei-unveils- ... e-display/
While impressive, Ill keep my 360C's bezel the size of Texas.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#43 Post by exTPfan » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm

It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.

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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#44 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:54 pm

exTPfan wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm
It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.
Combined with the trend of ever increasing trackpad sizes, that might be a good thing.
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#45 Post by NonesensE » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:59 am

That would be great. The X6x(s) reach a still remarkable 80% in this regard, btw.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#46 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:23 am

Oops. Double-post. :oops:
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#47 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:24 am

NonesensE wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:59 am
That would be great. The X6x(s) reach a still remarkable 80% in this regard, btw.
True. I'm amazed at the X61's compact lid, especially next to the X220. :D
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#48 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:51 am

axur-delmeria wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:24 am
NonesensE wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:59 am
That would be great. The X6x(s) reach a still remarkable 80% in this regard, btw.
True. I'm amazed at the X61's compact lid, especially next to the X220. :D
Eh, not so much for me. It was simple, if you put the board in the back imstead of the front, LCDs can have a very small border.

Now compare the thickness of the X220 to X61s display assembly. I can put the same computer in a cube or in a rectangle but it still has the same parts.

Now the Matebook impresses me on how much they can shrink the parts needed to drive the display.

Check out the Omnibook 300. That display was practically edgeless, but needed the side space to accomodate the keyboard. That was basically the same as the X61s and in 1992.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#49 Post by jcvjcvjcvjcv » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:17 am

exTPfan wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm
It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.
Meh. It ususally means structural rigidity is sacrificed to increase said percentage of display to front area. No thanks.

As for the size in general; If I buy a new laptop... my backpack doesn't magically shrink. It now perfectly fine accommodates a W520 with 9 cell battery. Anything substantially smaller will just irritatingly swim around, or I'll have to add additional foam.

Having said all that; If you take the W520 size, put the hinges further to the rear to integrate the 9 cell battery, one can easily fit a 3:2 screen. Make that 3840*2560 or something, update the hardware to current tech and all is good. But alas... Lenovo insists on their stupid keyboard.
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#50 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:24 am

Well said.

I feel like we are going back in time. In the mid-2000s, almost every laptop had a good designed keyboard and a real display if it cost more than $350. Now we have to deal with crappy displays that are too wide with too much bezel, weak hinges and badly designed keyboards. This were problem we had in 1989. I guess my T480 prediction came true!

Let me do a little comparison against this laptop: A NEC Ultralite from 1989.

http://old.chuma.org/ultralite/ultralite-good.jpg

Every Modern Laptop v. NEC Ultralite
Screen to wide
Bad viewing angles and poor contrast
Too concerned on thickness and weight
Adapter for everything
Scared LI-ION battery will explode
Awful keyboard

Yeah, we went back in time.
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Re: Have you joined the 3:2 club yet?

#51 Post by evening_hunger » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am

exTPfan wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm
It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.
It's slightly less encouraging though to see them getting rid of: Home/End, PgUp,PgDn, ScrLk, Pause/Break and... lemme see... ah the "menu" key. That way or the other, making touchpads more ginormous and eating up the keyboard. Here's hoping Lenovo will not follow this particular path.
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#52 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:58 pm

evening_hunger wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am
exTPfan wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm
It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.
It's slightly less encouraging though to see them getting rid of: Home/End, PgUp,PgDn, ScrLk, Pause/Break and... lemme see... ah the "menu" key. That way or the other, making touchpads more ginormous and eating up the keyboard. Here's hoping Lenovo will not follow this particular path.
I always liked the X200s touchpad! :lol: Keyboard should get first priority!
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#53 Post by jcvjcvjcvjcv » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 pm

evening_hunger wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:53 am
exTPfan wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:51 pm
It is encouraging to see people advertising the ratio of the screen area to the laptop area (91% for the new Matebook vs 69% for the Thinkpad T25). This is a number that really matters, and may encourage taller screens.
It's slightly less encouraging though to see them getting rid of: Home/End, PgUp,PgDn, ScrLk, Pause/Break and... lemme see... ah the "menu" key. That way or the other, making touchpads more ginormous and eating up the keyboard. Here's hoping Lenovo will not follow this particular path.
They are already following that path for years.
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#54 Post by Summilux » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:01 pm

Puppy wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:41 am
Huawei unveils Matebook X Pro laptop with a stunning truly bezel-free display
https://mspoweruser.com/huawei-unveils- ... e-display/
Touchscreen, so most probably not matte.
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#55 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:22 pm

I can fix that with some 800 grit sandpaper :twisted: .
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#56 Post by xsixt » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:38 am

As much as I have been trying to solider on with a T60p (4:3) and T61p (16:10), heels dug in, to the ergos and the screens, I'm am eagerly watching 3:2 machines pop up as the old machines chug as a main driver for daily tasks (quite fine as a secondary laptop though).

Eager to jump on a second hand Surface Pro 3, and like the look of the Surface Book 13.5, tempted by Chuwi hi12 / hi13, and wondering how many others have considered these as replacements.

Dell claims 3:2 panels might be around the corner, would be great if that's true, for if someone like Dell adopted them, with their huge supply chain, they would likely a fair impact on the market. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Frank-Azo ... 550.0.html

Never, ever have really been tempted by a Macbook, and of course disgusted by its reliability and software, but am equally disgusted by 16:9 panels, so the prospect of a 16:10 panel (retina for that matter) paired with an i7 looks tempting - getting impatient sitting around waiting for a non-16:9 of decent size.
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#57 Post by Summilux » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Microsoft unveils 10-inch Surface Go for 399$

Now that it's cheap enough to warrant enduring a non-matte screen, I'll prolly get one. (The resolution is fine btw)

And then maybe a Dell once they release their 3:2 models, even though their XPS series is plagued with coil whine.
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