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modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#1 Post by Whitieiii » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:51 pm

sorry if this has been asked but is there any laptops with 2nd 3rd or 4th gen i5/i7 that also have "trackpoints"? i'm looking at HP laptops but don't know their model numbers as well as I do Thinkpads but are they the only ones left? what HP is the most like the T430/T440p?
My Current Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
T410 1st Gen i5 4GB ram 320 GB HDD Win 7
HP 8460p 2nd gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6570m Win 7
T430 3rd Gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Win 7
T440s 4th Gen i5 8GB ram 300 GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i5 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10

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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#2 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:43 pm

HP EliteBooks and Dell's higher-end models should be equipped with their versions of trackpoint. Neither is as good as the real thing IMO.
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#3 Post by TPFanatic » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:58 pm

Can the Thinkpad's Synaptics driver be intalled on those laptops?
lenovo T61 T7500, SXGA+, 8GB
lenovo T430 i5 3320m, HD+, 8GB
lenovo T500 P9700, WUXGA, 8GB
lenovo X201 i5 520m, WXGA, 4GB
lenovo T520 i7 2760QM, FHD, 8GB



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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#4 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:16 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:58 pm
Can the Thinkpad's Synaptics driver be intalled on those laptops?
Not that I'm aware if.

HP units will take the "real" ThinkPad cap which is a major improvement IMO.
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#5 Post by Whitieiii » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:27 am

Dell IMO isn't so good both with their products and especially with support... even for their higher end business machines... I do like some of HP's designs for their business machines around the end of the c2d beginning of the core i-series machines though but the current selection doesn't look too good especially the elitebooks
My Current Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
T410 1st Gen i5 4GB ram 320 GB HDD Win 7
HP 8460p 2nd gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6570m Win 7
T430 3rd Gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Win 7
T440s 4th Gen i5 8GB ram 300 GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i5 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10

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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#6 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:06 am

Dell just added their 'Trackpoint' back on to their 12" notebooks again.
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#7 Post by ZaZ » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:57 pm

I believe some Toshiba Tecras offer a stick called AccuPoint.
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#8 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:36 pm

ZaZ wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:57 pm
I believe some Toshiba Tecras offer a stick called AccuPoint.
Yep, and its awful, from first hand experience. The buttons feel like marshmallows, not buttons.
Probably should be Thinkpad16by10.

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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#9 Post by oeuvre » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:43 pm

I switched from ThinkPads after the *30 line to EliteBooks.

Their X series equivalent is the 820, comes in 4 gens: 820 (haswell), G2 (broadwell), G3 (skylake) G4 (kaby lake)

T series equivalent is the 840 and 850 (14" and 15"), also available in G1-G4 variants.

Mobile workstations are the ZBook 14 (ULVs only), ZBook 15 (quad cores, but also offered in Zbook 15U, ULV), ZBook 17 (quad cores).

All of those have eraserheads and 4 dedicated buttons (2 above, 2 below touchpad) with the Zbook 15 and 17 having 6.
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#10 Post by ZaZ » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:29 am

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:36 pm
Yep, and its awful, from first hand experience. The buttons feel like marshmallows, not buttons.
Of course that's an opinion, though I'd probably tend to agree as I prefer the soft rim, but they seemed to like it over at LaptopMag.
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#11 Post by Whitieiii » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:49 am


oeuvre wrote:I switched from ThinkPads after the *30 line to EliteBooks.

Their X series equivalent is the 820, comes in 4 gens: 820 (haswell), G2 (broadwell), G3 (skylake) G4 (kaby lake)

T series equivalent is the 840 and 850 (14" and 15"), also available in G1-G4 variants.

Mobile workstations are the ZBook 14 (ULVs only), ZBook 15 (quad cores, but also offered in Zbook 15U, ULV), ZBook 17 (quad cores).

All of those have eraserheads and 4 dedicated buttons (2 above, 2 below touchpad) with the Zbook 15 and 17 having 6.
That's good to know! I think the Probooks are L series ThinkPads? I was thinking of going with an elitebook 8470p or 8470w with 3rd gen i7 but don't know if that's the best choice... I'm wanting a quad core processor with dedicated graphics and a 14" screen... what I'm looking at and don't know is if AMD would be the better choice and give me more performance for around the same price than the GT 730m offered in the T440p... I'm a Nvidia fan at heart but AMD seems to be more supported towards video editing with GPU acceleration then with Nvidia at least with Sony movie studio 13 and this is one reason why I want to get an elitebook other than to try it out and see if I get better performance than what I got now

I could go with the 840 G1 also but that will limit me to an i5-4300u CPU which wouldn't be good as my T440p with i5-4300m it is already maxed out on performance

The Zbook in 14" screen comes with the same i5-4300u but upgrades me to AMD Firepro M4100 graphics which is better then the radeon 8750m but not by much...

I'm not going with a 15" because I find them too big and the added numb pad makes my OCD go crazy not having the trackpad center of the laptop plus for lap use it would be off center of my lap
My Current Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
T410 1st Gen i5 4GB ram 320 GB HDD Win 7
HP 8460p 2nd gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6570m Win 7
T430 3rd Gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Win 7
T440s 4th Gen i5 8GB ram 300 GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i5 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10

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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#12 Post by oeuvre » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:32 am

You could put an i7 3630QM in the 8470p. I've had a few 8470ps, they're solid and have plenty of ports. A little thick, but good keyboard and SOLID input devices. Glass touchpad is very nice. The downside is you're limited to up to 1600x900 but it's better than the T420/T430 1600x900 screens.

Don't consider one with 1366x768. That resolution must die.
Dell Dimension XPS D333 Pentium II 333MHz, 384MB, ATI Rage Pro Turbo, 2GB SCSI + 4GB IDE, AWE64 + AU8820, MSDOS/WfW 3.11//95
HP EliteBook 840 G3 i5 6300U, 8GB, Intel HD520, 256GB M.2 SSD + HD, Windows 7
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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#13 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:41 am

Is the 8470p's HD+ LVDS? Then it can be used in T420 and T430.
lenovo T61 T7500, SXGA+, 8GB
lenovo T430 i5 3320m, HD+, 8GB
lenovo T500 P9700, WUXGA, 8GB
lenovo X201 i5 520m, WXGA, 4GB
lenovo T520 i7 2760QM, FHD, 8GB



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Re: modern laptops with "trackpoint"

#14 Post by Whitieiii » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:46 pm

oeuvre wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:32 am
You could put an i7 3630QM in the 8470p. I've had a few 8470ps, they're solid and have plenty of ports. A little thick, but good keyboard and SOLID input devices. Glass touchpad is very nice. The downside is you're limited to up to 1600x900 but it's better than the T420/T430 1600x900 screens.

Don't consider one with 1366x768. That resolution must die.
I have a 1366x768 in my T440p and it is good for playing games but the 1600x900 or 1920x1080 would drop my framerate to unusable and scaling the res down would look weird but since i'm not using this for anything more than game play and same facebook and stuff it should be ok for that machine...

i'm just concerned that with sony movie studio 13 it won't use the Radeon 7570m graphics since movie studio works best with Radeon 6000 series and Nvidia GTX 500 series best and that would limit me to a second gen i7 in the 8460p since it has a Radeon 6470m

Now does anybody know about firepro graphics cards? where does the AMD FirePro M3900 and FirePro M2000 fall into? is it based on the Radeon 6000 series? i'm hoping not to get stuck with a second gen i7 but i'll take it if the other options don't work out so well
My Current Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
T410 1st Gen i5 4GB ram 320 GB HDD Win 7
HP 8460p 2nd gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6570m Win 7
T430 3rd Gen i5 8GB ram 500GB HDD Win 7
T440s 4th Gen i5 8GB ram 300 GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i5 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10

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