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#121 Post by dr_st » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:52 am

This Karl Denninger guy is interesting. He challenges many of the commonly accepted theories about COVID-19.

His most significant claim is that fecal-oral is a significant transmission vector, which is currently ignored. From what I see, there is no agreed conclusion on that in the scientific community so far. Most studies say "unlikely, but not impossible", a minority says "likely". I think we will need to wait longer to be certain.

I believe he's wrong on "95% people on ventilators die, therefore ventilators are harmful and not helpful". I think most recent data suggests that >50% of people on ventilators survive, if you put them on them early enough. If you miss the "window of opportunity" (which is 1-2 days), the prognosis becomes significantly worse.

In light of the above (if it's true), then slowing down the infection rate (flattening the curve) will also help reduce COVID-19 deaths, not just deaths from other factors - becomes a non-overwhelmed medical system will be able to treat COVID-19 patients better. This is contrary to what Karl believes, but I think he is wrong on that. In fact, I think he is wrong on that in general, regardless of what's true about ventilators. If the infection rate skyrockets, so does the number of people who need ICU, and the system will collapse, no matter what the proper treatment is.

Finally, not sure I agree about "sanitizers being worthless". I think it depends on which ones. I believe 70% alcohol is said to be very effective against such viruses, but 40% or 95% alcohol is far less effective, and anti-bacterial "septal scrubs" (Chlorhexidine-Gluconate) are ineffective. In regards to "whoever touches the sanitizer dispenser contaminates it" - well, it is equally true about soap dispensers. But if you touch it and then wash your hands, and don't touch it again - you are probably OK. Plus, there are non-contact dispensers.
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#122 Post by Cigarguy » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:42 pm

As soon as someone present their opinion and only their opinion as "facts", that's when I tune out. In this day and age it's all about presenting the most attention grabbing headlines, truth be darn. The more sensational the better.

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#123 Post by dingdong » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:27 am

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#124 Post by Droider » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:58 am

Living in Turkey and been working actively in my shop except for a few days cause of the curfew. It is an essential job that i sell and trade mobile phones, tablets, laptops etc. :lol: Thankfully none of my loved ones had been diagnosed positive including myself. We take caution of interacting with people and objects, wearing masks. if covid is to be spread, it is going to spread. Life goes on. Cant live with the fear of death but embrace the idea that one day, what is going to happen is bound to happen anyway.

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#125 Post by MikalE » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:16 am

dingdong wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:27 am
9 brands of hand sanitizer may be toxic, FDA warns

> what are you doing?

Following this, this and this.
I don't use hand sanitizer and never have. I don't mind germs. It gives my immune system something to do.
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#126 Post by cadillacmike68 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:42 pm

MikalE wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:16 am
dingdong wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:27 am
9 brands of hand sanitizer may be toxic, FDA warns

> what are you doing?

Following this, this and this.
I don't use hand sanitizer and never have. I don't mind germs. It gives my immune system something to do.


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#127 Post by TonyJZX » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:05 pm

I'm not doing anything.I'm not even wearing the free masks you get at work because I work in my own office so what am I going to get infected from my own computer screen. I have a pile of masks in my desk as its mandatory to take a mask every day, but its not mandatory to wear it. I also work in a quasi chemical biolab area so we enforce hairnets, face shields, beardnets and mandatory handwash, alcohol santisers etc. but I ignore some of this since I'm often only handling a mouse kbd touchpen touchscreens etc.

I dont take public transport... havent been on a bus or train this year. I try to avoid large groups... eg. I noped out of a shopping center that looked like there were too many people on a Saturday afternoon.

I'm fortunate to live in a state that has so far managed this thing down.... 3,500 infections, 3,000 recoveries, 50 deaths for 7.5 mil. people TO DATE.... and this government isnt even that competant... they just let the state health dept. handle everything.... in fact this whole country is a run by a bag of incompetant idiots but they passed the parcel down the chain... the federals wanted to keep things open but every state revolted and did their own thing as far as their medical boards taking over and forced state cordons etc.

So we shouldnt have a 2nd flair up but hey, it happened down south.

I look at bemusment at the alleged "developed/developing countries" like Sweden who havent been able to handle this thing.... take your hydroxychloroquine whatever that's good for...

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#128 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:10 pm

Well, I'm not driving up to NY / NJ anytime soon. The state storm troopers will probably arrest me at the border anyway, my being from FL and all.
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#129 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:09 am

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:10 pm
Well, I'm not driving up to NY / NJ anytime soon. The state storm troopers will probably arrest me at the border anyway, my being from FL and all.
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#130 Post by TonyJZX » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:11 am

Its blue lives matter when they're on your side but 'stormtroopers' when they do their job that people dont agree with.

Funny relationship people have with their police.

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#131 Post by cadillacmike68 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:09 pm

Ever see their uniforms? They look like a catalog page straight out of Hugo Boss' 1939 edition.

You do know what Hugo Boss made in the 1930s, right?
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#132 Post by MikalE » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:09 pm
Ever see their uniforms? They look like a catalog page straight out of Hugo Boss' 1939 edition.

You do know what Hugo Boss made in the 1930s, right?
Hugo Boss was the designer of the M32 Allgemeine SS uniform. His company did not actually make very many of this uniform other than initial designs and samples. It was farmed out to other RZM approved clothiers and privat tailors.

The M38 was the replacement for the M32 in pale grey. However, the M32 was still worn on occasion for special ceremonies and sometimes parades. It never went away entirely.
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#133 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:29 pm

^^
Maybe so, but they (the company) also made Army and Waffen SS uniforms throughout the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss

The company even made a written apology in 2011.

Hey that's nothing, the US govt brought Werner von Braun and 100 or so of his underlings here and he was the first chief of NASA.

And the govt also brought Shirō Ishii to the US and gave him and some of his madmen immunity as well.

For those who don't know who Ishii was, go look it up. That area is still suffering from what he did.
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#134 Post by TonyJZX » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:11 am

I dont think you can blame the EU or the WHO or whatever for a particular country's "failures".

Realistically most people outside of a few populaces will take notice of government guidelines so you expect extra governmental bodies to be able to direct what a country is supposed to do?

What happened to sovreignty?

What happened to states rights?

Even in that regard certain people wont even take in what their local county or local government group recommends unless its to "do whatever you like".

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#135 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:27 am

TonyJZX wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:11 am
I dont think you can blame the EU or the WHO or whatever for a particular country's "failures".
I agree. Countries that managed to stop COVID were proactive and didn't wait for any transnational body. Those that dilly-dallied, offhandedly dismissed the severity of the situation (whether due to hubris, stupidity, or just outright incompetence), or even outright lied to their citizens are now the ones with the highest cases.

Look at my messed-up country. Back in May, scientists from our premier state university estimated that by the end of June, we could reach 40,000 total COVID-19 cases.

We reached 37,000 by the end of June, and our presidential spokesperson proudly declared that we "beat" the university's estimates, to the chagrin of pretty much everyone who still had a brain.

By the end of the first week of July, we had over 9000 new cases. *facepalm*
And now, we're over 68,000 total cases, and the same spokesperson is arguing that everyone "only looks at the total COVID cases and not the other data"... like what, the almost 44,000 active cases which is even higher than Indonesia (with 36k active out of 88k total, based on data from worldometers.info)?
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#136 Post by exTPfan » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:25 pm

For the last couple of months, I've been living in a world with no virus. Except for a handful of quarantined returnees, there has been no sign of the virus in New Zealand for 80 days. Unfortunately, I soon have to return to the U.S. Fortunately, "that woman from Michigan" has been doing quite well.
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#137 Post by TonyJZX » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:31 am

This isnt the state I live in however the state to the south has police slash army border crossings and patrols to keep people in. Lockdowns are now in force pending fines. Any movement is now restricted to essentials. N95 masks are now mandatory outside again pending large fines for non compliance. And masks are not cheap nor that easily available outside. This is because of a flare up of cases in the hundreds. I dont think that many populations would put up with such governmental interference.

And where I am there's still none of that. I tested this. I have a bunch of masks from work since its free for employees.

I wore one to a large popular home hardware chain like your US Harbor Freight etc. and people looked at me like I was an alien because I was the only one with a mask.

Its fine where I am but drive a mere 300 miles and some people would say that's going to a police state.

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#138 Post by axur-delmeria » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:58 pm

ThinkPadMiami wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:47 am
This virus is so contagious that it is now impossible to get rid of it IMO. Once you relax any lock down it flares up almost immediately.
The problem is, whenever the restrictions get relaxed, some people party like it's the fourth of July or something. YOLO idiots, "my personal 'freedom' overrides personal and social responsibility" brats, anti-vaxxers, anarchist idiots, total whackjobs who think they're immune, there's an entire spectrum.

But younk, even worse are those that use the crisis for financial gain like those who peddle fake cures, substandard protective gear, etc. In my country, there are allegations that the health department's highest official is profiteering by selling (or getting kickbacks for approving the purchase of) overpriced medical supplies and equipment.

In many stories, when a crisis threatens the world's existence, humanity unites and faces the challenge head-on. So far, I've seen none of that. Instead, I've seen the worst in world leaders-- incompetent presidents, manipulating dictators, deluded "I'm never wrong" idiots, weak-willed puppets, etc. Countries are blaming China (with good reason), but many do so only to divert attention from their own crises, and shift the blame rather than be held accountable for their own failures. There's still some competent ones, but they're few and far between.

As we humans expand our knowledge, but fail to gain wisdom or outgrow our immature ways, tragedies are sure to occur, again and again.
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#139 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:33 am

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#140 Post by dr_st » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 pm

I don't think anything I've seen so perfectly captures why there's no way the US is going to be getting on top of COVID-19 pandemic anytime soon.
This is by no means a US-specific problem.
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#141 Post by TonyJZX » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:04 am

There are countries that have succeeded though... however you want to define 'success'.

To me, success is not 15,000 people getting infect per day and 1,500 dying... per day.

If your country villifies and kills medical professionals then you have to punish people who are anti-science.

In some western countries something like 85% of people accept the science and obey government solutions and have essentially eradicated covid.

In my state of 7.5 mil we still have 49 deaths since day one. No deaths for weeks and weeks now. That's closer to a defintion of 'success'.

I do get the need to punish China. But unless you have any workable solutions then there really is no punishment is there?

Being anti science, anti authority and having 'personal freedom' as the most important thing coupled with an ineffective government means that some places will end up with this ongoing still in 2021 with over 250,000 deaths... we hope there's a vaccine and we hope that it comes from some place like India or Germany so they dont lock it down to a few chosen pharmaceutical giants so only the rich can afford it.

But hey... does it matter over here where our death and infection rate are essentially static?

Will things only change if politicans start getting it? I dont think these guys would change their opinion. That Brazilian PM has had it 3 times and he's still stuck in his ways...

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#142 Post by cadillacmike68 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:59 pm

ThinkPadMiami wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:44 am
There is no cure and no solution. IMO we need to reopen 100% with the best possible safeguards (distancing, personal hygiene, self-isolation by especially susceptible / vulnerable people).

But that is not really possible in democracies because the opposition to accepting reality that we are mere mortals is not acceptable to many.

The cure is far worse than the disease and increasingly so IMO.

And there is definitely philosophical / ethical / moral merit to the argument that these unilateral restrictions on people's personal freedom are inappropriate and in many cases unconstitutional IMO.

If anything it shows the inability of many governments to handle pandemics and potentially other calamities. 21st century governance requires a significant rethink IMO. But again this is likely not going to happen due to extreme ideological entrenchment on all sides rather than the prevalence of pragmatism.


Agreed, protect yourself if you are vulnerable, to include retiring if you won't risk getting infected at work. And don't be stupid about things.

Admittedly that is too much to ask of the vast majority of people here in the US. :roll:
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#143 Post by dingdong » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:20 am

> What are you doing?

Reading some anti-authoritarian books.
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#144 Post by Cigarguy » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:06 pm

Was off for 2.5 months and was bored to tears. Kept myself busying shopping for and keeping the spirits up of a few seniors who choose to self isolate in March, April and May. Now that everything pretty much opened up again as we've flattened the curve, I've been back to work with some sensible precautions in this pandemic. I'm a small general contractor and for the past 2 months have been swamped with work. I'm grateful for the work and will make hay as the sun is shining. Anticipating more restrictions or even another shutdown when the next wave hit. I'm hoping this won't happen but we'll be prepared if it happens. In the meantime been enjoying getting together with family and friends after months of voluntary self isolation. Enjoying life with a cigar and scotch or 3 with friends. Been enjoying a great summer so far after a pretty dismal March-June.

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#145 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:58 pm

I alluded to this back in May but happened upon the actual date.

Fact: The Wuhan govt reported to the chicom bigwigs on DEC 8, 2019 that they were have patients with a previously unknown flu / pneumonia like condition.

Fact: the chicoms waited until Dec 30 to report anything to the who.

Fact Jan 14; the who repeated china's lie that there is no evidence of human to human transmission, which they were forced to later reverse.

The fist date is important, because we all know that for this to really hit home to a vulnerable person takes 2 - 3 weeks OR LONGER. Therefore, if whuan reported this on Dec 8, then the badly affected persons had to have contracted it somewhere around OR BEFORE NOVEMBER 15.

During the entire above time the chicoms allowed international travel from wuhan to the rest of the world. They didn't restrict travel from wuhan to the rest of the world until the END OF JAN.

I could have been hit. I was in Aruba that time period in November. Fortunately I was in a mostly US occupied resort area.
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#146 Post by TonyJZX » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:27 am

I think remembering to blame China is important but ultimately futile. Again how do you extract your pound of flesh. And what is suitable reparations? Until you have some kind of solution that CHina will pay then all this redirection to blame China is wasted energy. In the same way the West would love to punish China for the Uyghurs situation both ultimately have the same end results... there will be hundreds of thousands dead over the world and there will be little hope of extracting any timely restitution from China.

In the end I think every country was delivered a set of cirumstances from CHina and it is up to every country to sort out their own outcomes.

In my neck of the woods, the state I live in with 7.5 mil. has had 50 deaths to date.

The state next door has 6.5 mil. and 180 deaths to date.

One must ask why one state has 3.5x more deaths from a lesser population pool.

Why does one state have military backed curfews and each household only has 1hr per day to buy necessities while the state I live it has nothing of the sort.

The you must ask why other places have death rates at a much higher rate than their population should have.

But some people would say that "it is what it is" and that you cant make that comparison.... "you just cant do that" apparently as if per capita figures arent a thing.

Or you can just blame China and ride the wave until you have 200,000 deaths, 250,000...

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#147 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:44 am

Tony, you need to put your location in. It's a forum rule.
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#148 Post by TonyJZX » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:57 am

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025203

I'm from New Zealand.

The above article is flexing on the rest of the world.

I wonder why people are so interested in where a person originates from in this forum, unlike others, as if where a persons' origin validates or invalidates what they are saying.

I agree to an extant that I immediately discount people who would say they are from Russia given their political influences around the world especially in other peoples' election processes but hey, maybe 50% of that country doesnt mind that kind of thing...

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#149 Post by dr_st » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 am

TonyJZX wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:57 am
...as if where a persons' origin validates or invalidates what they are saying.

I agree to an extant that I immediately discount people who would say they are from Russia given their political influences around the world...
So you suggest that people's words should not be judged according to their country of origin, and yet in the very next sentence admit that you do exactly that? Odd.
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#150 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:21 am

NZ eh? So what are you doing in New South Wales?
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