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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#391 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:22 am

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This isn't disingenuous. This is how you point out a witch hunt. Of course if you take it too far it becomes "whataboutism", but it is usually possible to draw the line.
I call it disingenuous since it's trying to make people angry so they think irrationally, and it's on its face unfactual (the claim of no outrage ignores the conservative-based outrage, including that which conceives this image, among other logical fallacies). To improve the image, I propose it be rephrased to "No Left-wing outrage". It's still absolutist, as rhetoric tends to be, but it's otherwise accurate enough to satisfy me.
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On that we agree. Personally, I try to keep calm and most of the time succeed at it. :)
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#392 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:36 am

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As for BLM riots, businesses would not do business there if it were so damaging to them. The ones that do evidently make enough profit every day they aren't being looted that they continue practicing their CSR there. The ones that can't, guess they gotta close. They're allowed to close, after all.
And in NYC many did and are still boarded up. That's because that they're afraid from "an idea" rioting and looting...

There also were protests the other day where members of the same "idea" showed up and marched in riot gear. A female reporter was attacked. Police just stood and did nothing.

Colour me surprised. Not.

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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#393 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:28 pm

BLM sure gets a lot of flak for an ideology that is supposed to be about preventing black victims of police brutality. Unfortunately opposing police brutality in general, a very legitimate matter, is a very fringe movement that is fatally weaker than police unions. :BAAAD!:

BLM as the recently named ideology isn't a federally declared domestic terror threat because it is not directly tied to critical destruction of businesses.

Proximately responsible for this issue are the looters who have looted for decades long predating BLM.

Also more actively involved (or actively uninvolved) are the police who are not obligated to endanger themselves to the mob. Maybe this is due to the mob being bigger than the police, or maybe even the cognitive influence of BLM or a larger movement.

As well businesses that fail to adequately prepare and protect themselves from disasters will fail. This is just how the economy is.

Policies of gun control also hinder threatening looters with lethal consequences that would deter them a la rooftop Koreans.

In my opinion all these are more closely responsible for allowing looting than the recently named BLM movement.

Also pertinent is civil and criminal suits against looters, and why they don't occur. You primarily need evidence of who the looters are, which CCTV is only so useful for if the cameras are destroyed. Then you need detectives willing to investigate, attorneys willing to prosecute, and police willing to make arrests, all of which may very well not occur due to the influence of what I believe is some larger cognitive influence than the ideology of BLM.

Conclusively I don't think naming and shaming BLM will stop looting. Ordering police to defend businesses might, but doing so might not get you reelected. Neither will disbanding gun control. Ultimately, a small business's only hope to succeed is to not do business where it will get looted, and should they wish to stay, the former small business owners' working livelihoods will be to work for the big businesses that can survive the area. Some people will get left behind, but that is the way the economy is, always has been. :??:
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#394 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:28 pm
BLM sure gets a lot of flak for an ideology that is supposed to be about preventing black victims of police brutality. Unfortunately opposing police brutality in general, a very legitimate matter, is a very fringe movement that is fatally weaker than police unions. :BAAAD!:
Police brutality affects all races. BLM has succesfully turned it into a "single race issue" with no real data to base the argument on, but they sure were loud enough about it so the lie became the truth.
BLM as the recently named ideology isn't a federally declared domestic terror threat because it is not directly tied to critical destruction of businesses.
Nope. It's because of political correctness that will end up being the very cancer that eventually destroys the Western civilization. People who are aware of the totalitarian nature of the concept were warning about it 40 years ago.
Proximately responsible for this issue are the looters who have looted for decades long predating BLM.

Also more actively involved (or actively uninvolved) are the police who are not obligated to endanger themselves to the mob. Maybe this is due to the mob being bigger than the police, or maybe even the cognitive influence of BLM or a larger movement.
Nope. That is because the police has been ordered to stand down.
As well businesses that fail to adequately prepare and protect themselves from disasters will fail. This is just how the economy is.
Those businesses can't "prepare" themselves and sure aren't allowed to defend themselves. At some point one gets dropped and blacklisted by their insurance company. Then what ?
Policies of gun control also hinder threatening looters with lethal consequences that would deter them a la rooftop Koreans.
I'm not going down the rabbit hole of discussing the gun control.
Also pertinent is civil and criminal suits against looters, and why they don't occur. You primarily need evidence of who the looters are, which CCTV is only so useful for if the cameras are destroyed. Then you need detectives willing to investigate, attorneys willing to prosecute, and police willing to make arrests, all of which may very well not occur due to the influence of what I believe is some larger cognitive influence than the ideology of BLM.
Everyone is afraid of being cancelled, doxxed and so forth. Most people can be bought and those who can't in most cases can be successfully intimidated. The very few that don't respond to these two methods find themselves in situations that no one wants to be in. What you refer to as "cognitive influence" is nothing but fear.

And fear is the very foundation of every single totalitarian regime.

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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#395 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:34 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm
And fear is the very foundation of every single totalitarian regime.
This works both ways. Trump's presidency was built on fear:

- the fear of China

- the fear of immigrants

- the fear of black people

- the fear of getting the economic short end

Just to name a few. Fear can be used as a tool to motivate people to do things they normally wouldn't do. For example, storming the capitol building. There is a reason why Trump and his allies repeated over and over again that "they will take away America from you".

The comparison between the BLM protests and the capitol storming is wrong on many levels. But the fundamental one is that one group protested against real world police violence, while another group protested because one man is the sorest loser possible and can't handle it, so he made up BS about election fraud. One group threatened the very heart of American democracy (the legislative), while the other did not. The difference can not be negated, no matter what.
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#396 Post by dr_st » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:47 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:34 pm
The comparison between the BLM protests and the capitol storming is wrong on many levels.
Yep. The first and foremost of these levels is that you call the BLM riots "protests", but you call the capitol riot (which was far less violent) "storming", but that's just the normal leftist rhetoric, it cannot be any other way.

Now, if someone thinks that the proper way to "protest" against police violence is to burn cars in the streets, loot random stores and terrorize innocent civilians if they are not "sympathetic" enough, well - that someone is going to have problems all their life, and police violence has nothing to do with it.
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#397 Post by rkawakami » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:22 pm

So maybe this is a coda to the "stolen election" story: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... econd-time

edit: In case Fox decides to bury this story in the future: House votes to impeach Trump for a second time. Voting is 232 to 197 to impeach. 10 Republicans joined with the Dems, making it the most bipartisan impeachment in US history.
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#398 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:55 pm

dr_st wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:47 pm
Yep. The first and foremost of these levels is that you call the BLM riots "protests", but you call the capitol riot (which was far less violent) "storming", but that's just the normal leftist rhetoric, it cannot be any other way.
I thought getting easily offended by words was a left wing thing^^

And no, I do not subscribe to your false equivalency of two very different kind of events. I know it is a normal right wing tactic to distract people like this, but it remains false nonetheless.
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#399 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:11 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:34 pm
One group threatened the very heart of American democracy (the legislative), while the other did not. The difference can not be negated, no matter what.
Violence is violence. There is nothing righteous about it regardless of one's motives.

America is not a democracy. It's a republic.

Democracy is a mob rule in coat and tie. Terror of majority over minority. The exact scenario that the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid.

Over the past year we've seen what it looks like when the coat and tie come off. Not a pretty picture and it's about to get worse for ~75M people.
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#400 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:34 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:11 pm
America is not a democracy. It's a republic.

Democracy is a mob rule in coat and tie. Terror of majority over minority. The exact scenario that the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid.
America is a democratic republic. Most democracies are, because a republic is typically defined as a state without a monarch. Germany is also a republic and a democracy. Meanwhile, China is a republic - but not a democracy.

The American system is built around the three branches of government and the legislative branch, comprised of senate and house, is the heart of the democratic republic - because it is where the laws and state budget are written. Both are elected directly by the people. And both were threatened by the actions of the current head of the executive branch. This is what we would call an existential political crisis, because if the executive branch subsumes the legislative, you don't have a democratic republic, you have dictatorship. And we can be very certain that dictatorship is also not what the founding fathers wanted.
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Over the past year we've seen what it looks like when the coat and tie come off. Not a pretty picture and it's about to get worse for ~75M people.
Maybe it will get worse. Or maybe this is just fear mongering. One thing is for certain though: In four years, those people who did not win the election will get another chance. In two years, the American people can decide who holds the majority in the house and senate - that is democracy. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The majority shouldn't be all powerful, but the opposite is also true: a minority shouldn't be able to overrule the majority.

The functioning of a democratic republic depends on the losers accepting defeat - like the democrats did after Trump's victory. Despite it being plainly obvious that this man was totally unfit for the office, I didn't see them on January 6 2017 trying to storm the capitol.
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Violence is violence. There is nothing righteous about it regardless of one's motives.
A plundered store or a burnt car is a bad thing that shouldn't happen, but while really bad for the owner, it does not threaten the stability of a country. And an instable country can result in far more violence and hardship. And have no doubt: There will be more violence - the fringes of the Trump cult are already planning as we speak.

Protests with riots at the side are nothing new in American history. The storming of the capitol after an election - that is something entirely new.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#401 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:30 pm

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Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:34 pm

The functioning of a democratic republic depends on the losers accepting defeat - like the democrats did after Trump's victory.
Democrats never accepted Trump's victory. That's one of the main reasons why we are at this point right now.
A plundered store or a burnt car is a bad thing that shouldn't happen, but while really bad for the owner, it does not threaten the stability of a country.
It's also pretty bad for those who got killed during the riots. And lack of any legal consequences for most of the folks who took part in burning and looting definitely affects the stability of the country.
Protests with riots at the side are nothing new in American history. The storming of the capitol after an election - that is something entirely new.
"New" is never a good thing or a bad thing by default. It was an "entirely new" thing to have black kids in the same classroom with the white ones 60 years ago. And yes, many people thought that it was a horrible idea back then.

We also never had tens of millions of people who believe that a presidential election was stolen. Some of them decided to make their voices heard, and loudly so. I've said my peace on the events of January 6th earlier on in this thread so I won't be repeating myself.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#402 Post by Ibthink » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:46 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:30 pm
Democrats never accepted Trump's victory. That's one of the main reasons why we are at this point right now.
They did not dispute election results and quickly conceded the election. They did not make baseless allegations of fraud nor did they try to have a mob storm the capitol on January 6.

Democrats definitely accepted the fact that Trump was president, while making it abundantly clear that they would oppose him on his policies - this is standard practice in a democracy. The Republicans blocked everything too in the late Obama years, once their obtained their majority in senate.

And really, this does all go back to Obama - while Republicans still had the curtsy to acknowledge that they lost the elections back when Obama won, the counter-movement to Obama's win is really what brought Trump to power. It isn't coincidence that Trump's political career in the Republican party was started by him peddling the false birther lie.
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It's also pretty bad for those who got killed during the riots. And lack of any legal consequences for most of the folks who took part in burning and looting definitely affects the stability of the country.
Unfortunately, they didn't record them self with their faces clearly visible while looting. Unlike some other people, who did this while they went into the capitol.
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#403 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:44 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:46 pm

Democrats definitely accepted the fact that Trump was president, while making it abundantly clear that they would oppose him on his policies - this is standard practice in a democracy.
The entire "Russia collusion" nonsense had nothing to do with Trump's policies...
And really, this does all go back to Obama - while Republicans still had the curtsy to acknowledge that they lost the elections back when Obama won, the counter-movement to Obama's win is really what brought Trump to power. It isn't coincidence that Trump's political career in the Republican party was started by him peddling the false birther lie.
You are partially correct, and partially wrong here. Let me elaborate.

Yes, a counter-movement towards Obama's policies was a piece of the puzzle when it comes to Trump getting elected. The other piece of the puzzle is another counter-movement - just as strong if not stronger - to GOP's policies of the previous ~25 years that created the very class of "forgotten men and women". Most of these voters couldn't have possibly cared less about the whole "birther" narrative.

Also, the "powers that be" in the Republican party never really accepted Trump and have done their absolute best to prevent him from accomplishing his stated goals. They never had Trump's back.
Unfortunately, they didn't record them self with their faces clearly visible while looting. Unlike some other people, who did this while they went into the capitol.
They didn't have to record themselves. There was plenty of evidence that was never acted upon. I personally know people who had resigned over this aspect of the story in NYC.
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#404 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:27 pm

And Republicans in Congress are accepting Biden as the president-elect. A good portion of Republican voters do not. Just so, Democrat voters' cries of #NotMyPresident sure doesn't sound much like Democrats accepting 45.
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#405 Post by Ibthink » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:39 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:27 pm
And Republicans in Congress are accepting Biden as the president-elect.
The majority of house Republicans was not doing so before the events of January 6.
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Just so, Democrat voters' cries of #NotMyPresident sure doesn't sound much like Democrats accepting 45.
Rhetoric =! actions. They did not start an insurrection because of Trump.

And if we want to talk about them not "embracing" Trump - Trump never gave them a reason to. From the very first day in office, he made it clear that he would only be the president of half of the country. His divisive rhetoric never stopped, as if he was in a non-stop election campaign. Typically, presidents become more "presidential" in office - Trump didn't. He never reached out to the other side. Because he believed that he would profit politically from the polarization. And TBF, he did manage to increase the votes for himself - but he also increased the votes for his opponent.
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The entire "Russia collusion" nonsense had nothing to do with Trump's policies...
If nonsense or not, we still don't know, since the Mueller report was never published in full, non-blackened form.

And of course it has something to do with foreign policy if the president has a connection to a foreign, hostile power.
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#406 Post by dr_st » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:59 am

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Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:39 am
If nonsense or not, we still don't know, since the Mueller report was never published in full, non-blackened form.
So we also don't know that this last election wasn't stolen, because some things were not checked.

And we also don't know that Biden does not have ties to China, right? Because some suspicions were not investigated.

At least in the case of Trump-Russia allegations, a lot of things have been investigated. Thoroughly. If they found nothing substantial, likely there isn't anything there.
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#407 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:17 am

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:39 am
Rhetoric =! actions. They did not start an insurrection because of Trump.
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Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:39 am
And if we want to talk about them not "embracing" Trump - Trump never gave them a reason to. From the very first day in office, he made it clear that he would only be the president of half of the country. His divisive rhetoric never stopped, as if he was in a non-stop election campaign. Typically, presidents become more "presidential" in office - Trump didn't. He never reached out to the other side. Because he believed that he would profit politically from the polarization. And TBF, he did manage to increase the votes for himself - but he also increased the votes for his opponent.
He did act more "presidential" once he won. The victory speech addressed all Americans, his first state of the union addressed all Americans -- and half of Congress showed up in some sort of protest garb, Democrats committed to entirely oppose him as their constituencies desired, #NotMyPresident, and msm sans-Fox News stayed tilted against him.

Afterwards he reverted to campaign mode, since running for president feels better than being president. It may not have taken long, and is to be expected of a dotard like Trump, but to his credit he did try -- and the Democrats didn't help, far from it.
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#408 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:05 am

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:39 am

And if we want to talk about them not "embracing" Trump - Trump never gave them a reason to. From the very first day in office, he made it clear that he would only be the president of half of the country.
Twenty minutes into Trump's presidency, The Washington Post was already calling for his impeachment.
If nonsense or not, we still don't know, since the Mueller report was never published in full, non-blackened form.

And of course it has something to do with foreign policy if the president has a connection to a foreign, hostile power.
No one was ever indicted for conspiring with Russia based on that report. So yes, it was a political witch hunt.
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#409 Post by dr_st » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:13 pm

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He did act more "presidential" once he won. The victory speech addressed all Americans, his first state of the union addressed all Americans -- and half of Congress showed up in some sort of protest garb, Democrats committed to entirely oppose him as their constituencies desired, #NotMyPresident, and msm sans-Fox News stayed tilted against him.

Afterwards he reverted to campaign mode, since running for president feels better than being president. It may not have taken long, and is to be expected of a dotard like Trump, but to his credit he did try -- and the Democrats didn't help, far from it.
Accusing the right-wing of (mostly non-existent and, when existent, typically retaliatory) divisive rhetoric, while doing the actual divisive rhetoric 24/7 is another left-wing trademark. I have witnessed it in my country, day by day, for as long as I've been adult enough to follow politics.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#410 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm

Be careful, being critical of both sides means thinking critically, which is bad! :eek: Just shut up and vote for my side!
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#411 Post by Ibthink » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm
Be careful, being critical of both sides means thinking critically, which is bad! Just shut up and vote for my side!
Except - I don't live in the US and thus am not a democrat. And I never said that democrats are flawless - they are far from it actually and have done plenty wrong to make Trump happen, the Clinton democrats in particular - but I guess pointing out false equivalency is not looked upon kindly when you tilt right wing.

But totally - opposing a president, voicing dissatisfaction with him, and storming congress to overturn an election are totally the same thing. What manufactured outrage :roll:

Also, while pointing out Trump's less divisive speeches, you conveniently left out the speech he gave on his inauguration day, which was anything but "presidential".
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#412 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:22 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
And I never said that democrats are flawless - they are far from it actually and have done plenty wrong to make Trump happen, the Clinton democrats in particular
To quote Bill Maher from his (IMO) heyday - before he completely caved in under pressure - and I used to watch his show religiously: "Make no mistake. The Democrats are just a group of slightly less scary special interests."
Also, while pointing out Trump's less divisive speeches, you conveniently left out the speech he gave on his inauguration day, which was anything but "presidential".
Mrs. Pelosi gave a speech or two last year that were violence-inducing to say the very least. No, it doesn't give Trump an excuse for some outright dumb stuff that he said. Not one bit.

As for Trump being "presidential"...whoever actually expected that needed a really big cup of black coffee to wake up. It's not like DJT was an unknown quantity to the public.

In all fairness, one could argue that many of Churchill's speeches and debates in Parliament were outright unbecoming of a Prime Minister, and I'm being kind here.

In the end, the deeds count more than words. I've got a laundry list of disagreements with Trump's deeds, but him not being "presidential" wouldn't make the Top 30, let alone Top 10.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#413 Post by dr_st » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:35 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
But sure, right wing never does bad thing - and if they do, left wing is at fault.
That's not the view I hold. :)

The right is not always good.

But the left is always bad.

That's the difference.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#414 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:36 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm
TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm
Be careful, being critical of both sides means thinking critically, which is bad! Just shut up and vote for my side!
Except - I don't live in the US and thus am not a democrat. And I never said that democrats are flawless - they are far from it actually and have done plenty wrong to make Trump happen, the Clinton democrats in particular - but I guess pointing out false equivalency is not looked upon kindly when you tilt right wing.
Then if you do not naturalize and vote for Biden, shut up and stop talk raping us, because a vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump! - America's progressive left.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#415 Post by rkawakami » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:24 pm

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Are you saying he's immune to charging because he's a left-winger?
Well, after what we've seen this past summer I believe that it's a fair question to ask...
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#416 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 pm

rkawakami wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:24 pm

For the moment, John Sullivan has been arrested
We'll see where that goes...he was also released without bail.

If I were a betting man I'd put my money on him being an informant.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#417 Post by shawross » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:51 pm

Look at Sullivan's eyes. For anyone who hasn't heard of MKUltra they won't understand and they can go back to sleep.

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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#418 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm

Well, this one's been quiet while I've been recovering from the chicom wuhan cv19.

But I notice that blm & antifa are still RIOTING and Burning things up / down ion the left coast.
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#419 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:02 am

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm
Well, this one's been quiet while I've been recovering from the chicom wuhan cv19.
The important thing is that you have recovered... :thumbs-UP: ...welcome back, sir.
But I notice that blm & antifa are still RIOTING and Burning things up / down ion the left coast.
You must be mistaken. Didn't you know that antifa is just an idea ? :lol:
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Re: OK, now we descend into the STOLEN election

#420 Post by mpcook » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:23 am

ajkula66 wrote:
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You must be mistaken. Didn't you know that antifa is just an idea ? :lol:
As is Qanon, even though they tried to steal the election by storming the US Capitol.
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