So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

[cadillacmike68]

"7. The vaccine is useless, just yesterday just in India, 540 FULLY VACCINATED people died for COVID"

Died WITH covid is more like it.

India has some 1.5 BILLION people, terrible health care and many with co morbidity factors.

[ajkula66]

If this one doesn't bother you...nothing will

https://mynorthwest.com/3094868/rantz-u ... d-vaccine/

[dr_st]

If this one doesn't bother you...nothing will

https://mynorthwest.com/3094868/rantz-u ... d-vaccine/

I am pro-vaccination, and yet this bothers me profoundly.

BTW, I moved the discussion back into the vaccine thread.

[ajkula66]

I am pro-vaccination, and yet this bothers me profoundly.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you...

Let's see some more Orwellian horrors, shall we...

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/17/au ... d-vaccine/

[mikemex]

Governments tell people what to do. Who would have thought it?

[789]

The numbers are in, trust the science. Vaccine is useless.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-c ... et-1622465

Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology, told Science that "most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated."

Would taking an O'Henry bar have been any worse ? or a shot of rum (Kraken) ?

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How does that compare with the residents of Paletine, upon whom el-primo Nathan Yahoo had not unleashed the blessings of pFizer ?

[Cigarguy]

The numbers are in, trust the science. Vaccine is useless.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-c ... et-1622465

Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology, told Science that "most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated."

Would taking an O'Henry bar have been any worse ? or a shot of rum (Kraken) ?

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How does that compare with the residents of Paletine, upon whom el-primo Nathan Yahoo had not unleashed the blessings of pFizer ?

Cherry picking selected sections of the article and using it to make baseless headline claims. Reread the article again without the tainted glasses.

[axur-delmeria]

From what I've gleaned so far, the protection given by current COVID vaccines is reduced after 6 months, some worse than others.

The stopgap solution is to give booster shots to prevent surges, which gives scientists more time to develop better vaccines that provide longer (measured in years) and broader (effective against current and future strains) protection.

[789]

Reread the article again without the tainted glasses.

Yes, you should do that.
The scientific fact is, before warp-speed vaccine there was no Delta version. Before lockdown and face mask, there was no version at all.

[shawross]

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/public ... e-no2-2021

My government calls the covid 19 vaccine a poison. More vaccinated and then more cases. It's pretty obvious.

[789]

Go to hospital and die ---it is the hospital tha kills you, NOT covid
Remdesivir kills you; it shots down your kidney; then you drown
The 700,000 people who died in the U.S. from covid, died from hospital treatment

According to science and the National Institute of Health ivermectin is a very good medicine for the Wuhan flu.
According to the National Institute of Health remdesivir destroys your kidney and liver.
Please read:
{
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines. ... /table-2e/
Ivermectin:
Adults:
The dose most commonly used in clinical trials is IVM 0.2--0.6 mg/kg PO given as a single dose or as a once-daily dose for up to 5 days.
}

So the government gives hospitals a 20% bribe to use remdesivir:----
{
https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19/n ... ment-nctap

NCTAP claims are those that are eligible for the 20% add-on payment under Section 3710 of the CARES Act. Eligible claims have both of the following:
ICD-10-CM diagnosis code U07.1 (COVID-19)
ICD-10-PCS codes for remdesivir (Veklury), COVID-19 convalescent plasma, or baricitinib (Olumiant) in combination with remdesivir, as described below

}

[dr_st]

Unfortunately, the original studies that suggested Ivermectin may be effective against COVID have been mostly debunked as the results could not be reproduced.

In fact, one of the early studies, whose results showed the most promise, has recently been pulled from publication due to various concerns, starting from possible ethical breaches all the way to downright fraud and data manipulation:
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v3
https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin- ... c079278602

Various meta-studies found out that when neutralizing the "contribution" of the problematic article, there is no evidence at all that Ivermectin has even the slightest effect on COVID prognosis.
https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/online/ ... 7%A0%D7%94
(Couldn't find an English source; Google translate should be good enough)

That won't stop liars from spreading their lies. They always need something to sustain the conspiracy theory, that the establishment is deliberately killing people in the hospitals, while there is a perfectly safe, 100% effective and cheap remedy that is denied to the public by the decree of the Reptilian World Government, or something along the lines. Oh, and COVID-19 doesn't even exist. That's also part of the conspiracy.

[789]

That's also part of the conspiracy.

You see, you are still here, promoting your ignorance-based conspiracy theory(s), and defending the party line.

The National Institute of Health (of which the Fauci is part) clearly states on its site (July 2021) that Ivermectin has been tested and approved by them ---but you hate science, you only like brainless conspiracy theories.

Village idiots and uneducated dolts on music stations, flaunting their ignorance and spreading the conspiracy theory that Ivermectin is only for horses, when science clearly proved that it is a perfectly good medicine to treat patients with Wuhan flu. The National Institute of Health states on their website (in their official report) how much to give to the victims of Wuhan flu

The dose most commonly used in clinical trials is IVM 0.2--0.6 mg/kg PO given as a single dose or as a once-daily dose for up to 5 days.

The other conspiracy theory you (and music station gasbags) promote is that the Wuhan flu is somehow a natural development (a small darwinian step). Science, of coursue, clearly declared that the Wuhan flu was produced in laboratory(s), supported and financed by the fauci ---of course, you hate science, you like to wallow in conspiracy dream-state.


In their official report, the National Institute of Health also states that remdesivir stops your kidney from functioning. (As a result of this kidney stoppage, your lung fills up with liquid.)
The Center for Medicare & Medicaid Services (a U.S. government agency) states on their website that they (the U.S. Government) will give 20% bonus to those hospitals that give remdesivir to Wuhan flu victims.

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Once again, how did Isreal fare compared to unvaccinated Palestine (right next door)? What good is a vaccine if people die shortly after, anyway ? What good is a vaccine that needs another vaccine six months later ? What good is this second shot if by December you need a third injection, otherwise you are not a citizen ?

When small-pox (a real disease that actually killed people) vaccines were given, the recepients were set for life; they didn't have to be afraid of unvaccinated people, they could walk into a camp filled with small-pox victims.
Recepienst of small-pox vaccine didn't become "shedders," they didn't start spreading the Delta version; when they went home from school they didn't infect their unvaccinated grand-mothers.
Recepients of small-pox shots didn't need a booster; a second; a third; a 2022 shot; a 2023 shot.
What good is this pFizer product if don't even protect you from your uninfected neighbour ?

[RealBlackStuff]

@789:
One more post like this, and we will seriously consider throwing you off this Forum!
You have been warned!

[dr_st]

@789

The problem with conspiracy theorists like yourself is that you lie. Even if you don't start this way, you always end up there. For instance on ivermectin - it has been only approved for COVID-19 in the context of clinical trials. And, what do you know, those clinical trials (at least those that did not manipulate their data), unfortunately, did not show any real effectiveness. I said it already, but you just ignored it. You must cling to this straw, to support your crazy theory that somehow all the governments of the world, who cannot on a good day agree on a standard way to represent date and time, have decided to come together and murder their citizens.

Whether COVID-19 was a natural coronavirus mutation, a manufactured one, and whether it has escaped or was deliberately released, matters not at all as far as dealing with it goes. Let the intelligence agencies investigate the origin of COVID-19 and indict the Chinese government in war crimes, if supporting evidence is found. And let the medical people figure out how to deal with it.

The other problem with folks like you is that you lack the patience to learn science and analyze data, or you lack the ability to understand it, or both. You know why recipients of small-pox vaccine were set for life? Because survivors of small-pox were set for life. Some viruses are "one-time" - you catch it, you get sick, if you survive - you cannot catch it again, because the immune system becomes extremely effective. Unfortunately, corona, flu and cold viruses are not like this. Which is why we can catch them every year, and why the vaccines for these viruses, if they even exist, are of limited effectiveness, and wear out. People who take the flu vaccine, take it every year and it is said to be only about 50-60% effective.

Already the COVID mRNA vaccines are better than that as they were shown to be ~90% effective at short range, but unfortunately they faded faster than some people hoped. The booster already proved the ability to restore the faded immunity; infection rates, and most importantly serious morbidity rates. But even without the booster, people who received two doses already fare much better than completely unvaccinated ones, if they do catch it. This is clinical data I get from published studies, and from some hearsay from people in the medical profession, here in Israel, in the "epicenter of the COVID vaccine experiment" as you put it, so I consider this data fairly reliable.

This is science. If you wish to have a discussion on the political/social aspects of it - that is altogether a different one, and you may be surprised to find out that I agree with you on more points than you think. But when you lump the two together and pepper it with general anti-medicine bull, it becomes impossible to talk about anything. I guess folks with your sentiment must do it, because they feel they need to justify their behavior. Like "I don't want to get a shot, I don't want to wear a mask, I don't want to have any restrictions on my freedoms, but if COVID-19 is really a serious illness - then some of these may be justifiable, no? So we must take the stand that COVID-19 is a lie."

A final note: your post was reported to me with a "do not feed the troll" comment. Personally, I think that conversation with you is pointless - you are beyond convincing, and you surely are not going to convince me to join your side with its mostly baseless theories. I do reply to you, even if it feels like "feeding the troll", because we are on a public forum, and I would like to debunk what I perceive as fallacy, whenever I can, for the sake of others reading it. I am not afraid of debating with you, and although I can have your posts removed, I don't feel like doing it, because it is against the principles of this forum. I only edited out the last part, where you did go to far on a tangent (and that is what got RBS to issue the warning to you).

[789]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1

Two warp-speed shots make you 13-times more vulnerable to Delta version if you live in Israel

The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021.

"Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity."

----natural immunity should be supplemented with excercise, fresh air, Sunshine (not allowed in hospitals); if you are infected by a vaccinated person, and worse comes to worst, take aspirin or ivermectin (and stay away from doktors).

[789]

As per your warning:

a) eat me
b) typically, not one of you objects to this professional liar and his insults and name-calling; but as soon someone brings some facts and reality to the discussion, ye are up in arms
c) stop embracing liars and propaganda, and someone like me don't have rub your faces into what low-grade humans ye are

[dr_st]

----natural immunity should be supplemented with excercise, fresh air, Sunshine (not allowed in hospitals)

Not allowed in hospital if you're connected to a respirator and basically dying - that's true. In other cases it's allowed and encouraged, and if you are able to exercise, whether with COVID or not, how did you even end up in a hospital?

if you are infected by a vaccinated person, and worse comes to worst, take aspirin or ivermectin

And what should I do if I get infected by an unvaccinated person? Take a O'Henry bar, I presume? I understand they are your favorites...

[shawross]

https://www.holistichealthonline.info/p ... -proteins/

[dr_st]

https://www.holistichealthonline.info/p ... -proteins/

So, if I understand this website correctly, I should drink pine needle tea instead?

[shawross]

LOL. Yes you would be safer drinking pine needle tea than taking experimental vaccines.

Pine needle tea wouldn't affect your natural immunity.

[unix_joe]

Getting my booster on Monday.

[axur-delmeria]

Had first dose of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine.
Got COVID recently. Didn't need to go to the hospital.

I'm OK now, save for losing my sense of smell and partial loss of taste.

Thank you modern medicine.

My only worry now is that I probably have to delay taking the 2nd dose.

[shawross]

Thank you modern medicine.

So you received your first jab and then you got COVID?

Wow modern medicine is fantastic. We are blessed to have pharmaceutical companies looking after us.

I thought vaccines are meant to ............. never mind.

[axur-delmeria]

I thought vaccines are meant to ............. never mind.

Partial vaccination results in a lower level of protection. For some reason AstraZeneca needs almost 3 months between doses, so you can catch COVID in between.

The vaccines prep your immune system to recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus and attack it. They don't magically make you immune to COVID.
How well your immune system fights off the infection depends on your body's condition.

If all goes well, you don't get sick.
If you do get sick, there's a good chance that the symptoms will be mild. No hospital stay, no ridiculous medical bills. Just stay at home, self-isolate, and get lots of rest and healthy food.

And that's good, because there are places where hospital beds, oxygen tanks, and medical staff are in short supply.

If I caught COVID before receiving the vaccine, I'd probably be in a hospital bed right now with tubes in my body, or already dead.

[ajkula66]

Wow modern medicine is fantastic.

TBT, when it comes to stuff like surgery, it sure is. We've come a long way.

We are blessed to have pharmaceutical companies looking after us.

If "us" refers to the shareholders...

I thought vaccines are meant to ............. never mind.

Well, they did change the definition if the term just recently so...yeah. Gotta get on with the times...

The vaccines prep your immune system to recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus and attack it. They don't magically make you immune to COVID.
How well your immune system fights off the infection depends on your body's condition.

Given that survival rate based on sheer immunity sans any vaccine is ~98% for vast majority of the people...I'm intent on letting my own immune system fight whatever comes its way on its own, but you do you.

If you do get sick, there's a good chance that the symptoms will be mild. No hospital stay, no ridiculous medical bills. Just stay at home, self-isolate, and get lots of rest and healthy food.

Well, 30% of the people hospitalized around here have been double-jabbed. That's not a good number in a country where only 45% of the population has been vaccinated. Not to mention that I've known several individuals for whom the vaccines did absolutely nothing and are no longer around...

Good luck.

[axur-delmeria]

You're forgetting one important thing: the Delta variant. The SARS-CoV-2 virus evolved and became more infectious, learned tricks to evade the immune system, and with a higher viral load to boot. The vaccines we have were designed when Delta didn't exist yet.

In one study conducted by CDC, fully-vaccinated people were 11 times less likely to catch COVID compared to unvaccinated, but post-Delta, it dropped to 4.6 times less likely. That's how infectious it is. Still, hospitalizations for fully-vaccinated were ten times lower compared to unvaccinated in the post-Delta period (down from 13x).

pre-Delta / post-Delta

for fully vaccinated
infections : 11x less / 4.6x less
hospitalization : 13x less / 10x less
deaths : 16.6x less / 11x less

[dr_st]

In one study conducted by CDC, fully-vaccinated people were 11 times less likely to catch COVID compared to unvaccinated, but post-Delta, it dropped to 4.6 times less likely. That's how infectious it is. Still, hospitalizations for fully-vaccinated were ten times lower compared to unvaccinated in the post-Delta period (down from 13x).

I wonder if the study manage to separate the factor of the Delta variant versus the decline in the vaccine efficacy. Data I've seen from Israel suggests that the Pfizer vaccines are actually reasonably effective against the Delta as well, and most of the infections of vaccinated people were simply because the vaccine protection wore out pretty fast. Then again, maybe against the original variants it would have lasted longer? Who knows. The booster does increase protection back again, that also seems true.

[ajkula66]

You're forgetting one important thing: the Delta variant. The SARS-CoV-2 virus evolved and became more infectious, learned tricks to evade the immune system, and with a higher viral load to boot. The vaccines we have were designed when Delta didn't exist yet.

I haven't forgotten anything.

Survival rate was better than 98% before any vaccines were implemented. CFR where I am right now - with Delta supposedly in full swing - is 0,87%.

In one study conducted by CDC,

Sorry, I wouldn't trust CDC if they told me that today was Saturday.

[shawross]

They don't magically make you immune to COVID

LOL I am sure we all can agree with this statement.

How well your immune system fights off the infection depends on your body's condition.

https://deitexercise.wordpress.com/2020 ... ne-system/

Read - What Is Antibody-Dependent Enhancement?

Given that survival rate based on sheer immunity sans any vaccine is ~98% for vast majority of the people...I'm intent on letting my own immune system fight whatever comes its way on its own, but you do you.

Yes exactly and that is natural immunity which has been proven efficient.

Sorry, I wouldn't trust CDC if they told me that today was Saturday.

Yes and you can throw a few more agencies and dodgy actors in with the CDC.

https://www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/fi ... 215-pi.pdf

COMPOSITION Each multi-dose vial contains 5x1011 viral particles (vp) of (ChAdOx1-S a, b) in 5 mL.One dose (0.5 mL) contains 5x1010 vp of (ChAdOx1-S a, b). aRecombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS-CoV-2 Spike (S) glycoprotein (GP)bThe vaccine is manufactured using material originally sourced from a human embryo (Human Embryonic Kidney cells: HEK293)


So they tell us that the AZ has chimpanzee adenovirus which can cause common cold in monkeys. Is that safe? They say it is so it must be eh. https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... animal-dna

Also they use aborted baby kidney tissue. Now you know why some governments push to allow abortions.

If you want to stop them killing babies then stop using products which use human embryonic cells.