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So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

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are you taking the covid-19 vaccine

Yes, as soon as it's available to me
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I'll wait for a few months or a bit longer
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I'll wait for a year or longer
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Not in the foreseeable future
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Never
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#31 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:05 pm

zoltan87 wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:42 pm
He is one of those people that the Internet hasn't helped to get more informed and clear minded, but has caused him to develop paranoia.
I doubt that Internet "caused" it. Pushed out some "deep and secret fears" as Jim Morrison sang is much more likely. But obviously you know your father and I don't.

A buddy of mine from another lifetime claimed that Internet was the work of the devil, and he was not necessarily a religious person. There's something to be said about the power of the said medium, for sure.
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#32 Post by rkawakami » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:32 pm

re: internet

When it is was called the ARPANET, it was a place were intelligent people shared information and scientific knowledge. Trust in the resource was a given. I was permitted to use the network during my time at NASA Ames. It was a good time. Now, not so much. :cry:
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#33 Post by dr_st » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:10 pm

zoltan87 wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:42 pm
Mind you, he is completely down the rabbit hole regarding conspiracy theories in general. Not quite flat Earth level, but not that far from that either, so at this point I have difficulty taking him seriously on any topic anyway. He is one of those people that the Internet hasn't helped to get more informed and clear minded, but has caused him to develop paranoia.
There seems to be some personality trait that draws people to the world of conspiracy theories, regardless of their intelligence. I've witnessed it in a few very smart people I personally know.
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When it is was called the ARPANET, it was a place were intelligent people shared information and scientific knowledge. Trust in the resource was a given.
There are sections of the internet that you can still trust just as much when it comes to scientific knowledge and accuracy of information. And their total capacity is orders of magnitude higher than that of the original ARPANET. In real-life you come to expect varying degrees of knowledge, professionalism and trustworthiness from different individuals/groups, depending on the subject matter. There is no reason it should be any different on the internet.
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#34 Post by theterminator93 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:04 pm

I am scheduled to receive the vaccine at a K12 client with whom I have had the longest professional relationship in my current career. The vaccine is being administered in cooperation with the city health department as well as a third party resource for logistical assistance. I do not have a date yet but I imagine dose 1 will be sometime in 4-6 weeks.

I have no concerns regarding this whatsoever and am enthusiastic about being able to contribute to the solution that will help life for all return to normal. I do not give credence to conspiracy theories about digital tracking through inoculations and I have no fear that I will have an adverse/allergic reaction given my bland medical history.
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#35 Post by zoltan87 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:33 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:05 pm
zoltan87 wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:42 pm
He is one of those people that the Internet hasn't helped to get more informed and clear minded, but has caused him to develop paranoia.
I doubt that Internet "caused" it. Pushed out some "deep and secret fears" as Jim Morrison sang is much more likely. But obviously you know your father and I don't.

A buddy of mine from another lifetime claimed that Internet was the work of the devil, and he was not necessarily a religious person. There's something to be said about the power of the said medium, for sure.
Definitely, my dad always had a very open mind to alternative theories, be that about aliens visiting us, a small very powerful elite group working against humanity, and inventions (particularly perpetual-motion machines, new power source/storage devices). But up until like 2009-ish he managed to stay fairly grounded in reality. The age of Youtube and alternative/new age websites really didn't help him. It pains me to see the state he is in now. We are at a point where we have to worry whenever we go outside into public with him, be that a simple shopping in the city centre, or some family gathering, wedding, funeral etc, as he only needs a minute to start going on with one of his theories. My mum is constantly afraid of public embarrassment because of him.
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There seems to be some personality trait that draws people to the world of conspiracy theories, regardless of their intelligence. I've witnessed it in a few very smart people I personally know.
I have read about this, the main issue seems to be that as a species, we have evolved to recognise danger efficiently, as that helped our survival in the cruel nature. Seeing danger in something, that turned out to be harmless (making a false positive assessment) usually had less serious consequences to our life, than not taking something seriously, and then pay with our life for it in case of misjudgement (making a false negative assessment). We have evolved to survive, not to find the truth, so statistically our instincts will cause false alarms and fear in way more situations, than unjustified carelessness.
Also many people enjoy the feeling of knowing some "secret knowledge", that most people are not aware of.

My father used to write programs to a company he worked for (DOS based, it was in the early 90s) and I always considered him an intelligent person. Quite frankly the more I think about this as I write, I am starting to worry that he might has some underlying developing mental problem. Problem is, he is extremely against modern medicine and healthcare in general, so there is zero chance to get him to go to an evaluation or test.

Anyway sorry for being off topic, I might will start a new thread sometime about conspiracies in general, and how my dad started out, and has slowly reached his current state (actually I had a very similar mindset to him up until like 2004-2005). And just to be clear, I am not suggesting that this Covid-19 vaccine fear is pure ignorance, as I mentioned earlier, I have my doubts as well, even though in general I am 100% for developing new vaccines to cure diseases.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#36 Post by TonyJZX » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:41 am

I'm not selfish enough to jump the queue when it should be going to police, medical, emt, retail staff, public transport who are most exposed.

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#37 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:10 am

I appreciate everyone who has participated so far... :thumbs-UP:

That being said, I must admit that I'm disappointed with only 23 votes altogether.

Please keep them coming.
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#38 Post by shawross » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:38 pm

http://tapnewswire.com/2021/01/moderna- ... ng-system/

This isn't a conspiracy theory or a secret and you won't learn the truth by watching MSM.

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Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:42 am
Mind you, he is completely down the rabbit hole regarding conspiracy theories in general. Not quite flat Earth level, but not that far from that either, so at this point I have difficulty taking him seriously on any topic anyway. He is one of those people that the Internet hasn't helped to get more informed and clear minded, but has caused him to develop paranoia.

There seems to be some personality trait that draws people to the world of conspiracy theories, regardless of their intelligence. I've witnessed it in a few very smart people I personally know.
Zoltan87 your father might just might be right. Can you wrap your brain around that fact?

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#39 Post by zoltan87 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:33 pm

shawross wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:38 pm
Zoltan87 your father might just might be right. Can you wrap your brain around that fact?

Albert Einstein Says

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
Oh believe me, if I listed all the stuff he believes in (or at least thinks it's way more likely than the mainstream view) you wouldn't say that. I mean many of his theories go right against each other. It seems like his main criteria to believe in something is, it has to go against mainstream news and science, the people who are spreading it have to be unorthodox, definitely not accepted by the majority of experts, and has to have some kind of danger component to humanity.

Sure there are conspiracies in the world. There are evil, psychopathic people in power. But all of them? Come on. We simply would have died out a long time ago as a species, if that was the case, and if we lived in a world he believes in. We need to develop a mind, that is capable of looking at itself, and recognise thinking patterns, that are simply irreconcilable with reality. And we need to try to correct those erroneous beliefs.

The quote you wrote is I must say somewhat above my head, I don't really understand what Einstein meant by rationality being servient (so somehow bad?)
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#40 Post by shawross » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:14 am

Your father would understand the Einstein quote. People who are intuitive can be contrarian which means they don't follow the crowd think.
Contrarian thought is very successful in market investing. 8)
Intuition is also linked to empathy.

Try to keep an open mind especially with your father. I am not saying he is right with everything but try to listen and expand your mind.
Zoltan87 wrote:But all of them? Come on.
Maybe not all but at least 90%. If they don't start corrupt they finish that way eventually. Only a narcissist would want to be in "power" anyway.

You remind me of my daughter. LOL
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#41 Post by dr_st » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:55 am

shawross wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:14 am
Maybe not all but at least 90%. If they don't start corrupt they finish that way eventually. Only a narcissist would want to be in "power" anyway.
Indeed this is the case. There are certain psychopathic / sociopathic traits which go hand in hand with the desire, and the aptitude of rising in power and staying there.

The trick is understanding that this is not a conspiracy, but simply a process of natural selection.

If you took everyone in power and removed them - different people with the same distribution of traits would eventually rise to power.

You have to ask yourself: does overall the system work? Does the current system of government overall advances the average quality of live of individuals? No system is perfect but some have been distinctly more successful than others.

And always strive for continuous improvement by making small changes in the system. It ls likely to work better in the long term than major revolutions.
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#42 Post by shawross » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:51 pm

dr_st wrote:The trick is understanding that this is not a conspiracy
I suspect people conspire to get into positions of power but that is just me.

Psychology and human nature are at play with positions of power but is it the politicians or the entities behind the scenes who cause the most problems.

Can we totally blame politicians or are the electors and the media also partially to blame?

Without scrutiny and thorough checks and balances there will always be corruption and that is in all professions.

The problem currently is we have censorship of dissenting opinions and voices and manipulation by interest groups.

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#43 Post by 789 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:11 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/hank-aa ... ge-86.html
86 year old baseball star received a covid shot. Two weeks later he died anyway ---so much for vaccines and their usefulness.
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#44 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:00 pm

This thread has gotten awfully quiet, and the vaccine had become available to majority of population in the meantime, hence bump for any new thoughts and observations... :D
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#45 Post by mpcook » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:04 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
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This thread has gotten awfully quiet, and the vaccine had become available to majority of population in the meantime, hence bump for any new thoughts and observations... :D
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#46 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:11 pm

mpcook wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:04 pm


Got the Pfizer, happy about it. Got the Bill Gates chip no extra charge. :lol: :lol:
Are you now restarting every time the updates hit ? Does it get worse when you're near a cell tower ? :mrgreen:
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#47 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:06 am

Got my first Pfizer shot on March 9, next one due on April 6.
No side effects whatsoever (yet).
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#48 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:13 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:06 am
Got my first Pfizer shot on March 9, next one due on April 6.
No side effects whatsoever (yet).
The word on the street is that the second shot turns one into a Trump supporter... :twisted:
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#49 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:51 am

Hah, even a boatload of any vaccine, incl. the Sputnik-V, couldn't do that!
As they say: "Over my dead body!".
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#50 Post by unixed » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:01 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:51 am
As they say: "Over my dead body!".
It's "After my BSOD!"

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#51 Post by mpcook » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:15 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:11 pm
mpcook wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:04 pm


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#52 Post by atagunov » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:32 am

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#53 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:26 am

unixed wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:01 am

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#54 Post by TRS-80 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:34 pm

dr_st wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:55 am
psychopathic / sociopathic traits
I have been saying this for a while. Estimates range from few to 10% or sometimes more of the population, overall. However vastly over-represented in certain occupations like executives, lawyers, politicians, etc.

I think most "normal" people have empathy and therefore the above mentioned sort of thinking is completely foreign to them. Which is why I think it's harder for normal, decent people to recognize it.
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#56 Post by shawross » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:32 pm

You have to love propaganda.

Don't worry guys it is part of the plan and it is totally normal.

Your body doesn't have the ability to fight off colds and influenza so we need to give you a new system.
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#57 Post by BillMorrow » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:37 am

i voted yes since i got the shot on feb 20th..
had i heard the video by dr. lee merrit on youtube (not banned AfAIK) and rumble i would have given it a lot more thought..
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the origins of the wuhan virus is wuhan.. intentional or not, i am unsure BUT there was that refugee chinese woman scientist from wuhan who said the virus was an engineered virus..
it might have escaped by accident.. or not.. but the chicoms DID ban all travel from wuhan to greater china..
then allowed battalions of chinese to fly to italy where the virus killed namy hundreds if italians..
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#58 Post by theterminator93 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:15 pm

I am two weeks past the 2nd shot. Pfizer.

No side effects aside from a sore arm for a couple days, both times.

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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#59 Post by dr_st » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:09 am

BillMorrow wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:37 am
i voted yes since i got the shot on feb 20th..
had i heard the video by dr. lee merrit on youtube (not banned AfAIK) and rumble i would have given it a lot more thought..
I think you did the right thing.

Dr. Lee Merritt makes many claims, some with more foundation on reality, others less. A lot of her key points, however, seem to be based on poor and partial research.

McGill OSS published a rebuttal of the famous video (which I have watched in full after you linked it in the other thread):
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... ne-doctors

I'm with McGill (and most of the scientific community) on this one.

I do not have to trust China, and I do not need to ignore the fact that "Big Pharma" works for profit, and I most certainly do not need to be a Trump-bashing leftist, to see that the key claims of the COVID conspiracy theorists (including the one who recently signed up here) just do not make sense.

When you dig deep past all the talk about freedom and personal choice, and that the vaccines were rushed and untested, etc, you get to the core, which is at the basis of all their claims - that COVID-19 is just not that big of a deal, and it is basically like the flu, and nothing to worry about, and nothing that warrants drastic measures. And this claim is simply false. COVID-19 is significantly more transmissive than the flu (because asymptomatic people can be highly contagious) and it is significantly more deadly than the typical flu. Maybe each by a factor of 10 (rough estimate). A factor of 10 may not be significant in your personal survival chances, but when combined with the increased spread, it is an actual risk of extracting a high death toll from the elderly and the people with underlying risk factors, while at the same time overloading the health system.

These two factors together make it a dangerous pandemic. Anyone who claims otherwise is just ignoring numbers which are coming out of everywhere - about mortality rates and excess deaths. Or better yet - they just claim all these numbers are lies, fabrications, etc. Right. All the governments of the world that on a good day cannot even agree on a single standard for writing dates on official documents, have all together suddenly decided to cooperate on creating a "fake pandemic", in order to enslave all their people and cripple all their economies. Give me a break.
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Re: So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

#60 Post by 789 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:33 pm

66 year old man was given a vaccine shot ---some days later he died anyway (what a useless concoction!) Would he have lived just as long if he had taken an O'Henry bar ?
Who paid for the useless vaccine that was injected into Marvin Hagler ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ed-66.html
will this inspire others to take shots from the Mengele Institute ?

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