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#31 Post by GomJabbar » Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:15 am

bhtooefr wrote:GomJabbar: Your TV is a rear projection CRT. wwarlock is referring to rear projection LCDs and DLP units.
Well I guess we would have to ask wwarlock to be sure, but I know that my set has 3 projection bulbs (red, green, and blue) and these bulbs do cost around the price range wwarlock mentioned.

I think you are thinking about the Plasma TV's that have a great picture, but they don't hold up as well as others.

EDIT: Or perhaps he is talking about the projectors that project the image onto a screen a few feet away. The type that salesmen may use. I've read that the bulbs in these units are expensive and don't last real long. However, this is not 'Rear Projection'.

EDIT 2: Well I guess you are probably half-right bhtooefr. Read the following information I just read: LCD vs DLP

From a price-per-square-inch standpoint, the DLP TV is a better value. The initial capital cost of a DLP unit is less than that of a similarly sized LCD unit. However, the LCD TV will draw less power and operate quieter than a DLP will in direct comparison. Your LCD TV will not require any maintenance throughout the life of the unit; however, the DLP will require an occasional bulb replacement every 8000 hours or so. (These replacement bulbs cost about $250 - $350, and you may or may not need to hire a technician to do it. Some DLPs are configured so that a layperson can replace their bulbs, other aren't. This is definitely worth checking out before you buy.)
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Speakers on either side of the screen!

#32 Post by BigWarpGuy » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:49 am

I would place tall think narrow speakers on either side of the screen instead of next to/near the keyboard. This way ones hands do not block the sound and will give more of a stereo sound. 8)
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#33 Post by bhtooefr » Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:26 pm

IIRC, there ARE rear-projection LCDs, which suffer from the same problems as the DLP units, except they don't have as good response time, less vivid colors, but no color shimmer that DLPs can have.

BTW, when you referred to the units that salesmen use, I think you were referring to front-projection LCD and DLP projectors. Rears have the same problems, but it's all in one unit.

FWIW, the Hundred Dollar Laptop will use a $20 14" rear-projection CRT, because an LCD would cost too much...
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#34 Post by GomJabbar » Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:40 pm

You got me this time bhtooefr. :oops:

My budget and interest do not include these technologies at this time. I've read a little about them, but obviously you are up to speed on what's out there.

Regarding your earlier remark that my TV was CRT technology - yes I knew that. I just didn't remember the proper name for these tubes. Actually I read today that they are called color guns (one for each of the 3 colors: red, green, and blue). After reading that, I recalled that I had heard that term before.
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#35 Post by bhtooefr » Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:03 pm

Hey, my budget barely includes a FREE AFTER REBATES webcam...

My interest, however... :P
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#36 Post by eigh » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:06 am

hmmm big warp guy your post seems a bit misleading. you start off by saying how oleds would not work for computer because they die out too fast. then you post 5 or 6 links about companies boasing their oled displays. which is it? are oled's great, or are they unusable right now?
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#37 Post by eigh » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:12 am

GomJabbar wrote:You got me this time bhtooefr. :oops:

My budget and interest do not include these technologies at this time. I've read a little about them, but obviously you are up to speed on what's out there.

Regarding your earlier remark that my TV was CRT technology - yes I knew that. I just didn't remember the proper name for these tubes. Actually I read today that they are called color guns (one for each of the 3 colors: red, green, and blue). After reading that, I recalled that I had heard that term before.
color guns, ive never heard of that. this is what i do know about crt's: a beam of electrons is fired at the glass in the front of your tv. when those elctrons hit, they make the phosphorus coating on the inside of the screen glow (im not sure how they vary the colors, or brightness, but i know what ive said so far is correct). they use 2 sets of electromagnetic plates to aim the electrons up/down and left/right. the beam travels top to bottom, left to right hitting every line, and every dot on your screen. eventually a whole image is glowing on the surface of the glass, the beam goes to the top and draws the next picture.
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#38 Post by desdinova » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:07 pm

I only want one thing from IBM/Lenovo... an (affordable) subnotebook.

Something Libretto or (dream) PC110-sized with a reasonable cpu. 1GHz PentiumM perhaps. If either Apple or IBM would release a subnotebook, even if it were expensive, I might just have to sell my organs on the black market to get one. :D

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OLEDs Fading?

#39 Post by BigWarpGuy » Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:00 pm

It was not my post that talks about OLED screens fading. It was another post that mentions that. I posted the links so they can see that they are favored for computers and other devices. I think OLED is the screen of the future. It does not need backlighting and can be viewed at almost any angle. Plus it is cool.

What do you think of speakers on either side of the screen? I think it would give better sound. Ones hands would not cover the speakers and give stereo like sound? (good for watching movies and playing games).

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#40 Post by eigh » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:46 am

ah, ok i get what you mean now big warp guy (About the oleds that is)


as far as the speakers go, i dont think there is any room left after the lcd and antenna's.
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Silent - top of my wish list.

#41 Post by claudeo » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:02 am

Silence is the next luxury. Have a switch that allows running silent -- even if it drastically reduces performance. Keep it to T4x form factor but lose a pound. Keep trackpoint. Built-in Lojack tracking that works even if the computer security prevents it from starting (the current version is worthless if the thief cannot start Windows), activated automatically by multiple failures to enter Power on password, and capable of trying to use WiFi if no wire is connected.
Bring base price of professional machine to < $1000 without losing robustness and pro design. Keep one PCMCIA slot. Recessed USB connector to allow plugging in a short Flash drive, third party BlueTooth, etc. that can stay plugged in without sticking out when putting the machine away.

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#42 Post by dsigma6 » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:46 am

maybe he was in on the top secret dlp's back in '88!

lcd tv's don't require bulbs to be replaced?? that's in complete contrast to everything i know..
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#43 Post by smugiri » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:04 am

eigh wrote:
GomJabbar wrote:You got me this time bhtooefr. :oops:

My budget and interest do not include these technologies at this time. I've read a little about them, but obviously you are up to speed on what's out there.

Regarding your earlier remark that my TV was CRT technology - yes I knew that. I just didn't remember the proper name for these tubes. Actually I read today that they are called color guns (one for each of the 3 colors: red, green, and blue). After reading that, I recalled that I had heard that term before.
color guns, ive never heard of that. this is what i do know about crt's: a beam of electrons is fired at the glass in the front of your tv. when those elctrons hit, they make the phosphorus coating on the inside of the screen glow (im not sure how they vary the colors, or brightness, but i know what ive said so far is correct). they use 2 sets of electromagnetic plates to aim the electrons up/down and left/right. the beam travels top to bottom, left to right hitting every line, and every dot on your screen. eventually a whole image is glowing on the surface of the glass, the beam goes to the top and draws the next picture.
Another technology that may work if they get it right is Side Projection that allows displays that are just 2 cms thick.
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