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Can't we all just get along???

#1 Post by tfflivemb2 » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:01 pm

I have been browsing through Bill's Forums since back before this new one was created in 2004. Granted I didn't sign up and post until September '05.

I joined and used this forum because of the consideration given by the members and not to mention the plethora of information.

Lately however, sarcasm has become the root of many of the posts here. Sometimes it is used on new users that clearly state "I am new to laptops" or "I am a newbie" for asking questions that "everyone should know" or even for spelling errors. Other times it is used as a catalyst to take these threads onto a whole new level, where the threads end up being closed to cut it off at the pass.

I just ask that we all step back and take a look at what we have here. No other company has had a forum as considerate/professional and informative as this one. I certainly don't want to lose it.

Many thanks to those of you that take the time to read this...I am off my soapbox now. :) :) :)

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#2 Post by LtTPfan » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:17 pm

Read the FAQ. . . Newbie. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Can't we all just get along???

#3 Post by BruisedQuasar » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:02 pm

tfflivemb2 wrote: Lately however, sarcasm has become the root of many of the posts here. Sometimes it is used on new users that clearly state "I am new to laptops" or "I am a newbie" for asking questions that "everyone should know" or even for spelling errors. Other times it is used as a catalyst to take these threads onto a whole new level, where the threads end up being closed to cut it off at the pass.

I just ask that we all step back and take a look at what we have here. No other company has had a forum as considerate/professional and informative as this one. I certainly don't want to lose it.
I am an active member of several unique groups. I can tell you the best groups are the ones in which the active members are civil to newbies and each other. One outstanding example is be300.org... An example of a top group among HPC handheld PC groups where several active senior members are arrogant is hpcfactor.com... Anyone who takes time to scan these two groups will discover that be300 is significantly better.

People with innovative ideas are usually cut off at the pass at HPC but not so at be300. HPC group has not produced any software that significantly expands any abandoned PC but be300 group is constantly at work on projects that keep the Casio abandoned Casio BE300 PDA an exciting device to own. We have members who piece by piece disassemble BE300s and photograph the process, stage by stage and we constantly experiment with modifications.

HPC modifies skins (mere appearance) BE300 group writes Operating Environments that dramatically expands the BE300 software library.

I cannot say if true group talent and knowledge is a function of civility and they a function of dynamic group production, or whether the reverse is the case. All I know is the uniquely productive groups tend to be the most civil.

Stupidity is failure or inability to learn. Arrogance stems from the assumption on knows it all, which means the arrogant stops learning from others, clearly a form of stupidity?

Occassionally a grand child says: "I don't know anything" I reply "excellent. Now that you know that, you can learn a lot!"

Aristotle was the greatest intellect the world ever knew. Aristotle did not lord over a room full of very young unknowledgeable men made to sit silently with pen and paper scribbling down "truths" spewed forth by their master. Aristotle accepted only 35 year-old and older students & they had to have considerable worldly experience. He wrote "A good education is wasted on a young man". They walked about thinking and discussing. Aristotle learned as much from his students as they learned from him. They did most of the research, study and talking. They were never given exams.

Aristotle was the greatest and he was also the most humble and civil of thinkers. Any connection? I think so.
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#4 Post by epbrown » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:30 pm

I've always found the board to be pretty civil, myself. The more popular the net gets, the rowdier it gets. I'll never forget being called to tasks for using the works "sucks" in a post 10 years ago (referring to tech support wait times).

As far as sarcasm to newbies, I don't know which threads you're referring to but RTFM has been around a long time; the internet has never been known to suffer fools gladly.

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#5 Post by tfflivemb2 » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:36 pm

Don't get me wrong, sarcasm is in my blood, I guess I am mostly referring to the condescending attitude that some have gotten, more common among some of the newer users.

I guess that I'd just like to remind everyone that some of the people here are only here for information and they tend to take these comments to heart and then not even come back for additional reponses to their post.

As for RTFM, that is a standard "IM" message like LOL, BTW, ROTFLMAO. I don't think that most people take offense to that, or atleast I don't.

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#6 Post by jdhurst » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:08 pm

This is one of the more civil forums around. Perhaps you can tell us what thread you are referring to (just provide the thread and nothing more) and we can see if there is something we need remind members of. Anyways, I like it here. ... JD Hurst

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#7 Post by leoblob » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:32 am

I agree this is a very civilized place. I personally have asked some questions that are so newb that I am embarassed to ask, but I've always received polite and useful responses.

I also agree that we should continue to work hard to keep this such a nice forum. :)
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#8 Post by benplaut » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:30 pm

This is the most proffessional forum i've ever been a part of, and i don't see that changing any time soon. Good people hang out here, chock-full of good information :)
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#9 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:42 pm

I find that on this forum, we have trolls every now and then and they are more frequent nowadays than in the beginning but with the exception of various isolated incidents like the one with that one member named volcomkid who decided to post his question on every thread he could, we're still yet to see things get too out of hand. Ususally the annoying people don't hang around for long.
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#10 Post by christopher_wolf » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:56 pm

This is quite possibly one of the best Forums I have come across; there are indeed worse Forums out there. Not so much troll infested, but more along the lines of Whining and Complaints that go on for several pages that don't actually do anything but rub nerves raw. They can be humorous, especially when someone stumbles across a long dead W&C Thread then makes a post about it; effectively bumping it and starting the whole thing over again. That said though, there have also been some very "humorous" threads here as well. :lol:

I think the Forums are Professionally executed and maintained and I have yet to see something get really out of hand. :)

Suffices to say I could lament on this further...but I digress. Seek the funny threads out and ye shall find. ;)
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#11 Post by DataAve » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:12 am

BruisedQuasar, words of wisdom, my friend. Excellent!

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#12 Post by Navck » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:53 am

There are horrible forums out of this one.
Example = "Gamefaqs.com"
Check their PC/DOS part.
Guy:My time keeps changing
Reply:lol u suk go chang it bak
Him:But my clocks in my house are accurate
Reply:NOOB U SUK GET OFF MY INTERWEB

No actions were taken againist the flamers (Moderators lazy that day)

I was the only person trying to help him find out why his system clock kept going out of sync with his BIOS clock

Did I mention they have an extreme hate of our laptops since they're not "1337" gaming machines?

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#13 Post by JaneL » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:27 pm

Navck wrote:Did I mention they have an extreme hate of our laptops since they're not "1337" gaming machines?
No, I don't believe you have! :wink:
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#14 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:36 pm

Well, Navck, maybe they'll like you more if you can simply "1337" your Th1nkP4d to teh xTREME!!!!! and make is H4X0RS!!! :)
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#15 Post by christopher_wolf » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:34 pm

Watching the GameFAQs Forums is very similar to watching the Special Olympics; just with a few more Dell gaming laptop enthusiaists. ;)
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#16 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:38 pm

I wouldn't use Special Olympic anologies if I were you. I remember having what a couple of people ticked off at me sometime last year when I made a certain special olympics anology in a post that I've forgotten what the topic was. I'll post link to the thread when and if I find it.
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#17 Post by christopher_wolf » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:46 pm

OK, No problem :)

Sorry about the reference
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#18 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:56 pm

No apologies needed for me, I'm just hoping you don't end up in the same place I did though now that I think of it, in retrospect, I think it was just a certain forum member (who's name starts with a B and was kicked off last year, people who were around in '04 and early '05 will know who I'm talking about) who was mad at me. He seemed to take ofense to alot of stuff.
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#19 Post by MadMikeSS » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:54 am

I think what people on forums fail to realize is that even though someone might be new to that particular forum doesn't mean they aren't a well established forum member somewhere else. The key is to treat everyone with some respect.

I just found this forum after I purchased my T23 and I wanted to find a community of Thinkpad users for advice/conversation. I frequent about 6 or 7 computer hardware forums elsewhere where I am well established. I wouldn't consider myself a n00b by any stretch.
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#20 Post by JaneL » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:23 am

MadMikeSS wrote:I think what people on forums fail to realize is that even though someone might be new to that particular forum doesn't mean they aren't a well established forum member somewhere else. The key is to treat everyone with some respect.
And, conversely, some join an established community and jump right in without utilizing things like the Read Me First section and the search button to see what the culture is like or what topics and questions have already been beaten to death.
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#21 Post by MadMikeSS » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:29 am

nonny wrote:
MadMikeSS wrote:I think what people on forums fail to realize is that even though someone might be new to that particular forum doesn't mean they aren't a well established forum member somewhere else. The key is to treat everyone with some respect.
And, conversely, some join an established community and jump right in without utilizing things like the Read Me First section and the search button to see what the culture is like or what topics and questions have already been beaten to death.
I agree. I have no problem with that. I just don't think people should be judged as n00bs just because they have only posted 3 times in a forum. Unfortunately this happens all too often. Personally, if someone posts a question that has already been beaten to death, I prefer to just point that person in the right direction rather than start a flamewar.
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#22 Post by BillMorrow » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:59 am

in the past, one very old customer, joined, and became something of a lunatic..
well, i always knew he was a bit over the top but i thought i could control his ranting..
well, i could not, so i banned him..

this can happen to anyone who becomes abusive..

and the moderators or any member need only let me know and i WILL take care of it..

now, that said, lets not take this place too seriously..
a little humor is ok..
and if someone publishes a cartoon that pokes fun at anyone i will not issue a fatwah against the cartoonist.. :)
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#23 Post by Brave_turtle » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:35 am

This has to be one of the most respectful and helpful forum I've ever been. I'm fairly new and everyone been giving me good advice!

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#24 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:50 am

Since the topics up, I figure I'd give my two cents worth in it. I personally think whether or not you're a "noob" is determined by the content of what you post and how relevant it is.

This would be a prime example of "noob" by my definition and oddly enough, it was found in the archived old forum from thinkpads.com. Take note of the guys username and e-mail addy as well.
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#25 Post by Kyocera » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:50 pm

YLDNWFM, acronym for, your link did not work for me. Took me to a log on screen. :shock:

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#26 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:52 pm

Odd, takes me right there, without logging in. Well, I'll quote it then.
Topic: Think Pads Suck (1 of 1), Read 320 times
Conf: Windows XP on the ThinkPad
From: Anti-Thinkpad Thinky (thinkpadssmell@thinkpad=anus.com)
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 07:31 AM

I bought a think pad from Think-Town, and Mr. Thinky said they suck. So i threw it at the Think-Town, Thinky ThinkPad salesman and he cried, so i kicked him the penis.
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#27 Post by Kyocera » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:56 pm

LOL :lol:

That is priceless, sounds like Mr. Rogers with an attitude.

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#28 Post by JaneL » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:00 pm

Well, if you look at the date on it, we had already moved over here nearly six months earlier. Bill probably just didn't bother to clean it up.
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#29 Post by Kyocera » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:02 pm

I think he has thinky thinkpad envy, or CATBO, (can't afford to buy one).

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#30 Post by AlphaKilo470 » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:09 pm

Kyocera wrote:LOL :lol:

That is priceless, sounds like Mr. Rogers with an attitude.
Maybe this was the lost technology oriented episode filmed right after Mr. Rogers got his pink-slip in the mail.
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