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#1 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:11 am

For any fans of his show, Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray today. It seems Darwin finally caught up with this man.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

#2 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:46 am

Umm, wow what a surprize?

#3 Post by **rkawakami** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:44 am

I always thought one of his crocs in Australia Zoo was going to have him for a (partial) meal. Was there a couple of years ago but never did get to see him in person.

Torque · #4 Post by **Torque** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:00 am

Sad

RIP.

Always love his shows. But yes, maybe it was just a matter of time.

XjuggsX · #5 Post by **XjuggsX** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:59 am

That is sad...

DIGITALgimpus · #6 Post by **DIGITALgimpus** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:18 am

Indeed sad.

I guess if you play with dangerious animals long enough, the odds eventually turn against you.

JHEM · #7 Post by **JHEM** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:57 pm

DIGITALgimpus wrote:I guess if you play with dangerious animals long enough, the odds eventually turn against you.

It's truly ironic that the animal that ultimately got him, an Australian Bull Ray (Myliobatis australis), is not aggressive and is not considered dangerous unless you chance to step on one.

While it's a large animal, like most rays it's normally timid and will retreat when approached by swimmers. Apparently the one that nailed Irwin possibly felt "trapped" between Irwin and the cameraman and lashed out defensively.

Regards,

James

pianowizard · #8 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:14 pm

JHEM wrote:It's truly ironic that the animal that ultimately got him, an Australian Bull Ray (Myliobatis australis), is not aggressive and is not considered dangerous unless you chance to step on one.

Indeed, when I saw the headline on CNN.com last night, I thought he had been killed by a crocodile.

#9 Post by **bill bolton** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:34 pm

JHEM wrote:It's truly ironic that the animal that ultimately got him, an Australian Bull Ray (Myliobatis australis), is not aggressive and is not considered dangerous unless you chance to step on one.

AFAIK there are only 4 reported previous deaths from these stings, and they all involved hits on the torso. There are many reports of hit to limbs, which while painful are not fatal.

Cheers,

Bill

mattbiernat · #10 Post by **mattbiernat** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:26 pm

bill bolton wrote:
JHEM wrote:It's truly ironic that the animal that ultimately got him, an Australian Bull Ray (Myliobatis australis), is not aggressive and is not considered dangerous unless you chance to step on one.
AFAIK there are only 4 reported previous deaths from these stings, and they all involved hits on the torso. There are many reports of hit to limbs, which while painful are not fatal.

Cheers,

Bill

im not sure how to venom exactly works but as most toxic materials the injection anywhere closer to the brain or heart is more dangerous. im really disappointed what happened he seemed like a really nice guy and i feel sorry for his wife.

JHEM · #11 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:56 am

bill bolton wrote:
JHEM wrote:It's truly ironic that the animal that ultimately got him, an Australian Bull Ray (Myliobatis australis), is not aggressive and is not considered dangerous unless you chance to step on one.
AFAIK there are only 4 reported previous deaths from these stings, and they all involved hits on the torso. There are many reports of hit to limbs, which while painful are not fatal.

While not actually docile, like so many other rays, the bull ray is considered so "safe" that GBR tours frequently include chances to swim with them and manta rays.

A very sad ending for an individual many around the world considered the very definition of an Aussie, regardless of how untrue that actually was.

Regards,

James

bigtiger · #12 Post by **bigtiger** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:40 am

Read the new yesterday morning. So sad.

I always thought that he should wear some sorts of protection working with poisonous animals. It is Ok to do few times just to show braveness. But. Anyway.

mfratt · #13 Post by **mfratt** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:24 pm

I thought his head had been bit off my a crocodile or something.
As sad as this is, Darwin Award, anyone?

dsigma6 · #14 Post by **dsigma6** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:47 pm

how long before the video taken at his death appears on the internet? sickening, but some of us feed off of it.

Website · #15 Post by **tfflivemb2** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:50 pm

I just "saw" a video clip on CNN that stated that the video might never be released, which is suprising, considering Irwin's stance on video taping..."whatever happens keep filming".

I'm guess that it will most likely leak out anyway. I'd be curious to see it myself.

JHEM · #16 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:23 pm

mfratt wrote:As sad as this is, Darwin Award, anyone?

Not really... This was a freak accident and could have happened to any tourist swimming with rays.

If the barb had hit him in an arm or leg, it probably would have been a non-event. It's only the fact that it apparently pierced his heart that it proved fatal.

James

#17 Post by **bill bolton** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:41 pm

tfflivemb2 wrote:Irwin's stance on video taping..."whatever happens keep filming".

The shoot that they went out to do on the Reef for his own show wasn't possible for some reason, so the shoot they were actually doing at the time of the event was a standby piece for a new show that his 8 year old daughter was going to host (I wonder if that will ever happen now?).

In one piece of local news coverage I heard early on, there was reference to the camerman not being immediately aware that anything had happened to Steve (i.e. that he wasn't in his direct sight), so its quite possible there was nothing being shot at all at the time of the event.

Cheers,

Bill

mattbiernat · #18 Post by **mattbiernat** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:22 pm

bill bolton wrote:
tfflivemb2 wrote:Irwin's stance on video taping..."whatever happens keep filming".
The shoot that they went out to do on the Reef for his own show wasn't possible for some reason, so the shoot they were actually doing at the time of the event was a standby piece for a new show that his 8 year old daughter was going to host (I wonder if that will ever happen now?).

In one piece of local news coverage I heard early on, there was reference to the camerman not being immediately aware that anything had happened to Steve (i.e. that he wasn't in his direct sight), so its quite possible there was nothing being shot at all at the time of the event.

Cheers,

Bill

actually it states in the article:

Earlier today it was revealed Irwin pulled the stingray barb out of his chest before losing consciousness."

so its kind of hard for me to understand how camerman wasn't aware of this (unless he was wondering somewhere away from irwin).
and another thing... next time any of you get stabbed with stingray, knife, pointed stick or anything else - do yourself a favor and don't pull it out because it just causes faster blood loss.

JHEM · #19 Post by **JHEM** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:24 pm

mattbiernat wrote:next time any of you get stabbed with stingray, knife, pointed stick or anything else - do yourself a favor and don't pull it out because it just causes faster blood loss.

That's great advice for a barb that's continuing to release toxins into you, even after it's broken off the animal.

Like a bee's stinger, if you get hit with a ray's barb and it breaks off, remove it!

James

#20 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:42 am

From the articles I've read about the barb on the end of a stingray, it's serrated so that when it's removed, it causes more damage than when it goes in. Granted, the immediate reaction of most people would be, "gets this @&%## thing out of me!". The toxins, as far as I've read, cause great pain but does not necessarily poison the body. Seeing how it may have punctured Steve's heart, then it really doesn't matter if it was left in or removed.

mattbiernat · #21 Post by **mattbiernat** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:47 am

JHEM wrote:
mattbiernat wrote:next time any of you get stabbed with stingray, knife, pointed stick or anything else - do yourself a favor and don't pull it out because it just causes faster blood loss.
That's great advice for a barb that's continuing to release toxins into you, even after it's broken off the animal.

Like a bee's stinger, if you get hit with a ray's barb and it breaks off, remove it!

James

heh im not a doctor but l did some research online:

article wrote: As soon as possible, the wound should be soaked for 30-90 minutes in very hot water (as hot as can be endured without causing burns). The heat inactivates the poison and dramatically relieves the pain. The physician may prescribe pain medication. Also, because the risk of infection is very high, antibiotics are given to prevent infection.

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic556 ... ~follow-up

it seems like the toxin can be very quickly denatured by applying heat. thus pulling out the sting and rapturing your arteries might not be such a good idea.
however if you didn't know the toxicity of the venom then pulling out the sting could make more sense since you can put pressure around the leg and stop the bleeding. i agree with you James on this scenario.
irwin seemed to me in screwed situation because not only was his heart punctured but also the toxin was released into the heart.

and australians seem to be getting their hearts punctured... here is another example:

article wrote: A couple of years ago, a 35-year-old Australian bloke on holidays in Fiji was stung in the chest as he swam over a large stingray; the barb punctured his heart and he died a day later as a result of his injuries.

http://www.elasmo-research.org/educatio ... y_city.htm

now it still seems to me that even if you get stabbed in the heart by stingray, removing the sting would only cause more problems.

article wrote:The sting consists of a blade-like barb with serrations along both edges and a venom gland at the base. The serrae point toward the base of the spine, making removal difficult and very painful.

the other 35 year old guy who got stabbed in the heart probably did not remove the sting because he would have caused tearing of his heart tissue. that's why he probably did not die on the spot.

#22 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:22 am

Steve Irwin might not have pulled the barb out after all:
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/ar ... ed_1007341

NS · #23 Post by NS » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:49 am

I remembered Steve Irwin came down to singapore zoo a few years back and sing words of praises about our zoo.

Steve Irwin = hero...

I am feeling sad because of his death and also feel sad about his family.. His wife and his children...

~With rememberence that Steve Irwin is our hero & animal's planet most popular crocodile hunter~

USer Edit X1:
Crocodile Hunter's death film creates quandary
JOCELYN NOVECK
Associated Press
NEW YORK -- "If I'm going to die," the late Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin said in a 2002 interview, "at least I want it filmed."

Thinkpaddict · #24 Post by **Thinkpaddict** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:29 am

I wouldn't call Steve Irwin a hero per se (at least not because of handling dangerous animals the way he did). That Darwin Prize thing is totally uncalled for. The man might have been a daredevil in many occassions, but this was just a freak accident (remember that people swim around sting rays all the time).

In any case, the guy was a character and had some balls. I wish his wife and kids and the rest of his family the best. We'll miss you mate!

dsigma6 · #25 Post by **dsigma6** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:20 am

Sorry for the bump, but words from Jean-Michel Cousteau made me think about the way Steve Irwin interacted with nature. http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/in ... 80338.html
I definitely agree with his comments, however it is entertaining and human to want to interact.

What do you think?

#26 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:52 am

Yeah, I partially agree with Cousteau's comments about the "jumping on" the animals that Steve Irwin did. Steve did have that "in your face" kind of presentation, but from all of the shows I've seen, there seemed to be a genuine concern that the animals were returned safely to whatever they were doing before Steve ambushed them. However, I thought Cousteau went too far when saying that he has dove for "more years than he (Irwin) has been alive". To me that sounds snobby and condescending at the extreme, and highly insensitive at the very least. Not something I would expect to hear from him (or his father).

dsigma6 · #27 Post by **dsigma6** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:36 pm

rkawakami wrote:Cousteau went too far when saying that he has dove for "more years than he (Irwin) has been alive"

My thoughts exactly. Just another thing that someone says that wasn't asked of them.

christopher_wolf · #28 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:21 pm

rkawakami wrote: However, I thought Cousteau went too far when saying that he has dove for "more years than he (Irwin) has been alive".

He said that?

That, I admit, I wouldn't have expected.

dsigma6 · #29 Post by **dsigma6** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:47 pm

For those not interested in clicking the link above, he said:

"interfere with nature, jump on animals, grab them, hold them, and have this very, very spectacular, dramatic way of presenting things. Of course, it goes very well on television. It sells, it appeals to a lot people, but I think it's very misleading. You don't touch nature, you just look at it. And that's why I'm still alive. I've been diving over 61 years _ a lot many more years that he's been alive _ and I don't mess with nature."

christopher_wolf · #30 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:52 pm

You know what that reminds me of? Inspector Clouseau in one of the Pink Panther movies.

Clouseau: "Nefarious powers are at work; the minute I am put on a case, the underworld hears about it and I am set upon. Cato nearly blew his skin off; it is amazing that I am still alive."

Dreyfus: " 'Amazing' is not the word."

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