5K40 is faster than 7K60 !!!???!!!???

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hhy2k · #1 Post by **hhy2k** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:54 pm

Hi.

Now this is very interesting I experience on my T40p. I changed the HDD from a 5K40 to a 7K60 and guess what: The 7200 rpm drive boots up 25 sec slower. If I run sisoft sandra on the drives then the 5K40 is 19MB/sec and the 7K60 is 28MB/sec, however the thing boots up significantly slower.

Both drives contain the same data right now as I cloned the 5K40. One thing is different though. If I check the location of the MFT (master file table) in a defrag "view log" the 5K40 shows two different MFT on two separate location at 1/4 and 3/4 of the stripe while the 7K60 comes up with one in the middle of the stripe.

I am guessing that the clone program put the MFT on the phisically wrong place and that is why the head in the 7K60 needs more time to process any file request and so it gets slower.

Any hint or thoughts? Am I thinking right? I am sure that Windows while installing onto a new hard drive puts the MFT on the right place... a drive image copier probably not.

I also know that for example diskeeper can rearrange MFT. Do you think that would help? Any experiance like this from anyone else?

Thanks

sktn77a · #2 Post by **sktn77a** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:29 pm

Just a hunch but I think if you do a clean install from an XP disk or a recovery disk, I think you would find the results were different.

hhy2k · #3 Post by **hhy2k** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:39 pm

Conclusion

I made a clean install... but gave up after two hours, took too much time and wanted to have all the content of my old hard drive.

So I used an other program to copy it. With this one results are as they should be, about a 15-20% gain.

Bad disk cloner: CASPER XP <<<<<<<<

Good disk cloner: Acronis True Image (free trial) <<<<<<<

If you want to save the recovery partition you have to start with the recovery CDs and after it is done you can copy the OS partition.

I still do not understand how a copier could mix up the OS this much... but it does. DO NOT USE CASPER XP!

7K60 rocks, vibrate a little bit after the 5400 rpm drive but not warmer.

#4 Post by **jdhurst** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:39 pm

In addition to what Keith said, I could care less how long (within reason) a machine takes to boot. What *matters* is how fast it is in daily operation. In a side by side comparison, the 7200-rpm drive wins hands down. I could have returned mine for a small restocking fee, so its not like I am being guided by money. ... JDHurst

hhy2k · #5 Post by **hhy2k** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:45 pm

Well, i am just not sure about this. If the MFT is on the wrong place then not just the boot up time but also every program start is slower (as this is what bootup actually is). I don't know what the copy program messed up, but it did messed it up big time!

With the right copy though it is faster! Please let me be a little conservative here: If I buy a faster hard drive, i want to have faster boot up time as well.

I also read that a converted NTFS partition (from FAT converted) is significantly slower than an originally NTFS formatted. This means that the recovery system made by the recovery partition is slower than a clean XP install as the recovery program converts the HDD from FAT.

By the way I bought this Thinkpad because I wanted to avoid the 4 months periodically reinstall of XP. I hope I can keep this resolution of mine.

ian · #6 Post by **ian** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:14 pm

For what it's worth, I've just replaced my 80 Gb 5400 with a 7K60 and I find it quite obviously faster to boot ! I'm running SP2 on both and it really is noticably faster to boot, but then I have not run any benchmark software - this is just plain old subjective ME.

I installed both times from the recovery disks, both have the same basic software, and as previously stated, both have SP2.

By the way, I don't understand your comment

"By the way I bought this Thinkpad because I wanted to avoid the 4 months periodically reinstall of XP."

Do you really have to do this? I never have - am I missing something in my life?

hhy2k · #7 Post by **hhy2k** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:29 pm

Yeah right. I wouldn't say you are "missing" something

There is nothing to miss and the hardware should not really effect the software failiure rate... but still it is true, I had a lot of trouble with my HP Presario 732 before and had to reinstall windows times to times. Now I have a fast system (T40p with the 7K60) and I am able tu run an ati virus program, pop-up stopper along SP2. So far the system seems to be very very well maintained and swift.

I would not say that the Hitachi 7K60 is significantly faster (by feel) than my Fujutsu 5K40, but running the tests it is way faster and boots up faster as well. I have a 60 secont total up time (from pushing the power button til all the programs load in the system tray.... I write it down what exactly because it really effects the boot time)

IBM message center
volume control
active sinc for my PDA
USB mouse
norton antivirus
AOL IM
YAHOO messenger
MSN messenger
the two WIFI manager
ebay toolbar
weather BUG
IBM battery meter

all this is up and running, logged in in 60 seconds. with the 5K40 it took 10-15 seconds longer. Not a big deal. The Presario with its 4K20 toshiba drive made it in a bare 2 min 30 seconds. Am I happy with my Thinkpad? Sure I am

n3il · #8 Post by **n3il** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:55 am

I am sure I remember reading somewhere that M$oft advised reinstalling Windows every 3 months to ensure that it wasn't bogged down with rubbish... (so much for long term reliability!) I, for one, certainly don't follow that advice - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Txiasaeia · #9 Post by **Txiasaeia** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:27 am

ian wrote:By the way, I don't understand your comment

"By the way I bought this Thinkpad because I wanted to avoid the 4 months periodically reinstall of XP."

Do you really have to do this? I never have - am I missing something in my life?

I reinstall Windows & all my programs every 3-4 weeks or so. I've got a second HD that I keep my backup files on, so it's a simple matter of formatting the drive, reinstalling XP and Office, then copying over - takes about an hour. Well worth it, IMHO, to keep everything snappy and problem-free.

Chun-Yu · #10 Post by **Chun-Yu** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:45 pm

Wow, my rebooting frequency is like your XP installing frequency

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 18:44:37 up 18 days, 19:03,  7 users,  load average: 1.44, 0.94, 0.77

And the last reboot was to do a BIOS update in Windows. There is really little reason to reboot Linux unless it's to go into Windows and do something.

ian · #11 Post by **ian** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:40 am

Txiasaeia wrote: I reinstall Windows & all my programs every 3-4 weeks or so. I've got a second HD that I keep my backup files on, so it's a simple matter of formatting the drive, reinstalling XP and Office, then copying over - takes about an hour. Well worth it, IMHO, to keep everything snappy and problem-free.

I don't doubt it can be made quite easy, I just question the need - perhaps I'm lazy, but when I install something it's done and I'm not prepared to do it again, unless there's an emergency. I regularly lose the quick launch icons, but I'm not going to reinstall Windows to get them back. What exactly is the advantage to a complete, and regular, reinstall?

5K40 is faster than 7K60 !!!???!!!???

5K40 is faster than 7K60 !!!???!!!???

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