Art teacher fired for misconduct

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#1 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:58 pm

Ran across this today while reading my e-mail...

AOL news story

I like the quote made by the teacher's lawyer, "Chesterfield lost a tremendous asset today," he said.

Nigellus · #2 Post by **Nigellus** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:47 am

People really need to learn that what they do in their private life can affect their job if it reflects poorly on the company.

What really gets me is when teachers think they can do whatever. Teachers have the least amount of wiggle-room in my opinion. Parents are very, very protective of their children. If they perceive a teacher as being the least bit weird, it's going to make them, rightly or wrongly, very uncomfortable. And uncomfortable parents make sure schools, school boards, and politicians share their discomfort.

k2jsv · #3 Post by **k2jsv** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:38 pm

Nigellus wrote:People really need to learn that what they do in their private life can affect their job if it reflects poorly on the company.

It's not like he was a weirdo transvestite or anything... I mean c'mon, he used his body to create art!! So what?! Some people are WAY too sensitive in acting all prickly over this. If he was doing this in class with kids... fine... weirdo. But he's doing it in the privacy of his own home and supplementing his incoming with work that I am sure he is proud of.

When does private really mean private for cripe's sake. Leave it to the close minded Liberal majority to squash someone's creativeness. And I bet these would be the same people that get all fired up when someone drops the "N" word. Discriminating discriminators... Hate everyone, or hate no one... I don't care, but make up your bloody minds already. You wonder why half the world hates Americans.

JHEM · #4 Post by **JHEM** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:35 pm

k2jsv wrote:Leave it to the close minded Liberal majority to squash someone's creativeness.

The words you meant to use were close minded conservative majority!

Liberals would have lined up to buy his "art" in order to prove how open minded they are.

James

k2jsv · #5 Post by **k2jsv** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:17 pm

JHEM wrote:
k2jsv wrote:Leave it to the close minded Liberal majority to squash someone's creativeness.
The words you meant to use were close minded conservative majority!

Liberals would have lined up to buy his "art" in order to prove how open minded they are.

James

Actually no, you'd find that Liberals are more apt to have a hissy fit over something than a conservative.

Or would you prefer if I used "close minded Democrat" instead?

In all seriousness though, I hate big government in any form of it. And I WORK for them!! But this case is EXACTLY what is wrong with America today. Parents are breeding more social leeching and less independent thinking. Thus leading to such outcries against personal expressions of an individuals personality. "Oh God it's different!! Kill it!!"

The American melting pot has turned into the largest group of hate-mongers in the world. It's depressing. And by our own devices we are turning our beloved country into a 21st century communist state. You think I am wrong? Read the news more often, or better yet... go ask your local politician what they think of marriages of the alternative sexual lifestyles.

christopher_wolf · #6 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:25 pm

Either way, both would have gotten inflammed for no particular reason.

However, it should be noted that this is a growing trend. Especially with companies searching on your details or on social networking sites, such as Facebook, MySpace, and the like to get a good look at the subject in question; even old forum posts.

k2jsv · #7 Post by **k2jsv** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:35 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:However, it should be noted that this is a growing trend. Especially with companies searching on your details or on social networking sites, such as Facebook, MySpace, and the like to get a good look at the subject in question; even old forum posts.

And that is why if you don't want people to know anything... don't post on the internet. SO if there are any stalkers out there that really want to pay you a visit they will. And if you were a smart man you'd meet them at the door prepared to win... 40 Cal Glock does the trick for me.

christopher_wolf wrote:Either way, both would have gotten inflammed for no particular reason.

You've never been truly discriminated against have you.

Website · #8 Post by **tfflivemb2** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:57 pm

k2jsv wrote:
christopher_wolf wrote:Either way, both would have gotten inflammed for no particular reason.
You've never been truly discriminated against have you.

You might want to check Chris' profile...I can assure you that he has been discriminated against on MANY occasions.

#9 Post by **Kyocera** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:53 pm

This teacher is a freakin weirdo

Temetka · #10 Post by **Temetka** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:14 pm

He's an art teacher. In my book it's fine. On his own time with his own life.

What I hate is that companies believe they have to right to control what I do in my private life. They think for whatever twisted reason that it is their right to pry. Whenever this subject of the people's loss of individual freedom is brought up I start raving. It is my life. My time and my space.

back the f*** off.

I support the art teacher on personal ground because it's his right to make art using his body. Heck he should be hired by someone else. Many artists make art using other parts of their body why can they do it, but no the teacher? He shows creative thinking and passion. Two things which children these days really do need to be taught and to examples of.

This 'working for the man' thing that our society seems to holding up on high, is a stinking pile of crap. The man can blow me. I work 8am to 5pm. During that time you can dictate. As soon as I am in my car, my life is back on. Anyone here care to disagree and feel that companies should have absolute control over their workers every move? I have your communist party lapel pins for you.

#11 Post by **JaneL** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:49 pm

Temetka wrote:Anyone here care to disagree and feel that companies should have absolute control over their workers every move? I have your communist party lapel pins for you.

Back it down a notch. And watch the language.

Nigellus · #12 Post by **Nigellus** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:48 pm

You can argue whether it is right or wrong all day long, but it is a fact that information about you that is potentially embarrassing to your employer can and does affect your employment.

And say what you want, this sort of video posted on the internet by a teacher qualifies. I'll say it again. Parents are very protective. If anything is the least bit weird about one of the teachers, they aren't going to take any chances.

I'm not as much blaming the guy for being weird (which I think he is), but rather blaming him for lacking good sense.

This is a free country and people are free to express themselves in any way they want. Others are also free to react to such expression any way they want... this is the part people forget. ("any way they want" does not include anything that would be a tort or a crime, of course)

Temetka · #13 Post by **Temetka** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:27 am

I agree that my freedoms should not impinge upon those of others. What I do not agree with is the corporate mentality that I represent the company 24/7.

Sorry bub. In my book I work 8 to 6. You want me to represent 24/7? Pay me 24/7. Otherwise kindly go away.

This mentality (as far as I know) has been showing up more and more in the last few years. I don't know what bothers me more. The companies who say this stuff, or the people who think it up.

#14 Post by **Kyocera** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:46 am

temetka wrote:This mentality (as far as I know) has been showing up more and more in the last few years. I don't know what bothers me more. The companies who say this stuff, or the people who think it up.

This mentality has been around for many, many years and is prevalent in all industrialized societies. The term "workin for the man" is as old as the hills.

Temetka · #15 Post by **Temetka** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:46 am

Kyocera wrote:
temetka wrote:This mentality (as far as I know) has been showing up more and more in the last few years. I don't know what bothers me more. The companies who say this stuff, or the people who think it up.
This mentality has been around for many, many years and is prevalent in all industrialized societies. The term "workin for the man" is as old as the hills.

I quite agree with you. However:

"Workin' for the man"

and

"Livin' for the man"

are 2 entirely separate things.

I work for the man. I do not live by him. The man can stick it when it comes to telling me how to run my personal life, which is after all, my personal life. Not his.

#16 Post by **Kyocera** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:14 am

I totally agree, and have lived by that for many years, although being in the Army for 20yrs it was pretty hard to have a real personal life. But now as a civilian I just try to do the best for the man at work and do my thing at home, and I would say if the man ever tried to dictate what I did on my personal time, I'd simply move on, it's that easy. Most of the stories like the one posted here make the news because they are so bizarre, and the media runs to the scene of the trainwreck with mouths blazing and opinions flying. If one of our tech's was painting things with his genitals, I would probably quit

if they didn't get rid of him. It's just to weird for my tastes to be out in the public domain. Sorry.

Temetka · #17 Post by **Temetka** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:21 pm

I never said it wasn't weird. I wouldn't want to work a genital painting person as well.

I hear you on the Military thing. I served in the Navy for a few years and completely understand what you are talking about.

Nigellus · #18 Post by **Nigellus** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:16 am

Here's a little secret. The school doesn't care what that art teacher does in his private life so long as they, and more importantly the community, have no knowledge of it. They started to care when it became public knowledge throughout the community.

A little discretion and all this could have been avoided.

#19 Post by **Kyocera** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:58 am

They started to care when the pervert made the video, I personally would be at the school wanting to beat the crap out of this guy if one of my kids had been exposed to this weirdo. He is/was a High School Teacher, around kids, this is where kids get molested by these disgusting creeps who make it into the system under the radar then their real tendencies start to come out and they get brave and want to push the envelope and express their perversion either by molesting kids or trying to turn them on to weird sexual behaviors. This guy better not get back into a school.

Nigellus · #20 Post by **Nigellus** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:37 pm

Kyocera wrote:They started to care when the pervert made the video

Exactly my point. If one doesn't have the good sense to keep one's potentially prurient eccentricities to oneself, then one can't act shocked when the community reacts to them.

This guy not only didn't keep them to himself, he broadcasted them. I'm not willing to say that he is a danger to the children, but his behavior does tend to worry parents. To them, normal men don't parade around in scanty underwear or use their reproductive organs to create art. Parental instincts tell them that what is out of their sphere of normal experience might hurt their children. They would much rather remove the abnormal element than take a chance with their child that it might be harmless. Someone who, through design or negligence, provokes that sort of concern in parents has no business being upset when the parents don't want their children near them.

Assuming for a moment that this guy is harmless, it was the height of irresponsibility for him to not consider potential reactions to his video of the school and the parents. Many say that it was not fair for the school to dismiss him. More should consider that it wasn't fair of him to put the school in that position to begin with.

#21 Post by **carbon_unit** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:08 pm

Exactly! Freedom isn't exactly free.
With freedom comes the responsibility to act decent.
Those who wish to act in an indecent manner or enjoy pushing their freedom to the limits risk being judged by society and possibly losing some (or all) of their freedom.

Temetka · #22 Post by **Temetka** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:23 am

I have a quote that fits. Although I can't remember where it came from.

America: Land of the Free

Void Where Prohibited

Some Restrictions Apply

k2jsv · #23 Post by **k2jsv** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:39 pm

Kyocera wrote:
temetka wrote:This mentality (as far as I know) has been showing up more and more in the last few years. I don't know what bothers me more. The companies who say this stuff, or the people who think it up.
This mentality has been around for many, many years and is prevalent in all industrialized societies. The term "workin for the man" is as old as the hills.

And that is why I am happy to belong to a union. And it's a loose quote... but in Men in Black the best line I have ever heard. "The "person" is smart, but "people" are nervous jerky and downright irrational"

My point is... LOOSEN UP!! I hope the teacher sues those families and the school district and wins. But then again... Hitler was also a painter.

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