Auto Industry trickery consumer fraud -were being ripped off

[liquidous]

Anybody hear on the street lately whats been going on with low quality parts, and uncertified parts. Lots of lawsuits going on in the industry where our nations largest parts suppliers and insurance companies are ripping off body shops and policy holders. These distributors are being backed by the trickery of the insurance companies and are passing off parts and mis-representing them to be high quality, when they absolutely know they are not. Are they just trying to make the sale? now with the latest NHTSA recalls on safety parts, these players are spiking the data and not performing the recalls on time or with accurate data.

This company MQVP is in the forefront of all this. These parts distributors and insurance companies are trying to push this MQVP company out of business so that they don’t come to the table with the data that will expose these companies for the years and years of fraud.

Please get this message out. If enough good men do nothing, evil will prevail. I hope it doesn’t become important only when someone in your families hood flies off and causes an accident or becomes a fatality.

I am posting another post in this forum and others with the article that they have released to all these body shops.

Please search for “MQVP Warning” and / or see :
http://mqvp.com/download/mqvp-warning.pdf

[liquidous]

its the real deal.
these things will make your head spin.


if you are a bodyshop, demand proof from the distributors, because most are getting taken for their profit.

if you are a policy holder, demand from your bodyshop that the right parts get put on your repair, your safety is at risk, and your insurance companies and distributors are not telling you, all for their profit. its sad.


http://www.abrn.com/abrn/article/articl ... ?id=374363
http://www.automotivedigest.com/view_ar ... esID=20466
http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/arti ... /2843/-1/1
http://www.ciia.com/provinces/ontario/n ... .html#mqvp
http://www.abrn.com/abrn/article/articl ... ?id=378078
http://www.bodyshopsolutions.com/WordPress/?p=52

[leoblob]

This unfortunately, is not new. I had a bad accident in 1986 (not my fault) and the insurance company (Allstate) tried to do the same to me. I finally said, "show me where in my policy you are authorized to modify my vehicle with non-OEM parts"... and that worked.

I think you need to ask your body shop about what specific parts they are going to use.

[Phazer]

It's been going on for years. Unfortunately, bodyshops are at the mercy of the insurance companies. Bodyshops don't control repairs anymore, insurance companies "tell" them what to replace and how much they're going to pay.

Insurance Companies: "They're your friend until you need them..."

It's all about the money........

[leoblob]

I guess I was (somewhat) lucky since the body shop was honest... they had pretty high standards. They asked that I sign a waiver that if the parts didn't fit right or rusted out too soon, I would not hold the body shop responsible (since they knew the parts were crap). While this sounds awful, it actually tipped me off to what was going on. I didn't sign the waiver, I battled with the insurance co (Allstate, I'll keep saying who it was/is), and I eventually got Allstate to do the right thing.

When I questioned Allstate about using these cheap parts, Allstate said that Allstate was just trying to service Allstate's customers better by offering them low-cost parts, to keep Allstate's premiums down.

I replied that if Allstate were really interested in customer satisfaction, then Allstate should offer Allstate's customers two options: a policy with a lower premium that allows for the use of cheap non-OEM parts, and another policy with a higher premium which will only allow OEM parts.

Sounds fair and honest to me. Allstate's reply was one of surprise... clearly while Allstate claims to try to make customers happy, that obviously is not the case. Why else wouldn't Allstate have thought of such a simple idea?

This all happened to me over 20 years ago, and I'm still very pi$$ed off over the whole thing! (obviously)

[liquidous]

accidentally posted in the root dir of offtopic, but meant to post it here.

sorry.

anyway, this was in the local newspaper today :

www.wiserdrivers.com

[liquidous]

its best said that this is happening in the auto industry. good coverage. illegitimate parts are being put on our cars.


http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2615354

[qviri]

Is this an international issue?

[AGSilverman]

Yeah for sure this is happening!!!! while you said it isnt anything new, thats correct from the inferior grade products that dont meet the OEM spec, but it is worse, because looks like nobody cares and nobody is checkinmg until lately.
The national highway tarnspotation safety agency is checking these parts and they find they are defective. They only care about safety parts not just the cheap fakes that dont fit. there have been recalls( for parts like headlamps) but nobody seems to know about it., because they dont get noticed properly and vehicle owner has no chance to understand that his car was repaired with fakes.

how can the people organize to stop this and what kind of American companies would knowingly import counterfeits and then sell them to unsuspecting shops and car owners. Nothing usually happens until there is a nother accident with injuries or death before it get attention.

My computer company had a fleet of vehicles for sales and techs, and they would only use OEM parts for repairs because they were self insured--and they knew that aftermarket parts had a lots of junk and fakes put in the boxes.

sad but we are in a buyer beware world---hope this doesnt start happening to our computers like it has with cars...and cars have more and more electronics and computers every year

[liquidous]

The Silver Man,

welcome to the thread.

you're in my backyard!

How can the consumer find out what was really installed at the shop?

[Turbo Audi]

I used to work in auto parts, in and a year or two after high school. Let me just say that the parts I would work with were absolutely sh!t, in every regard. (non-OEM) They are all stamped out somewhere in China or Korea.

[AGSilverman]

Hey Turbo Audi ( cool handle man): and
hey Liduid ous:

I hope this protocol is ok to answer two replys with just one answer here--i am in hurry. Turbo the cheap counterfeoits are definitely made offshore.... China and Korea maybe--but for sure mostly from taiwanese manufacturing companies. American companies buy these parts and import them for years knowing they have both certified parts and inferior junk defect parts... they use the same boxes so who knows what your getting Some of theses USA based companies have cool names but the are owned by the foriegners or have deals with the importer.
Are these bribes and kickbacks?? are they just unethical businees man shamimng the shops and insurers both?? or is it a organized "ring".

as others in these post keep saying that the car oqnwer is getting screweand the only way to protect themself is to insist that the shop show them the parts is original oem or what proof they have that these werecertifeid and not by some counterfeit stickers or gummy labels.

Thats why the US Chamber of commerce has the new site CACP organizing an effort against all counterfeits and fakes. Even Underwriters laboratories is on this committe with VPs because they (UL Stickers) get ripped off too---you can trust even these stickers --so denad the sop and insuresr prove it or get OEM not aftermarket.

there is more information in google on thisubject and there are new lawsuits enetered regularly against the ounterfeiting ring---so dont blame the insuresr for all this-- help them turn in the crooks if you can catch them---i keep saying the PEOPLE got to ORGANIZE because like cat burgulars they count on you not organizing and rob youur neighborhood one house at a time

good luck---- ask lawyers to research this they can find the lawsuits on line quickly --lawyers have their own industry special search engines/

[khoan]

Ah globalization, you never cease to amuse me with your calamities.

Seriously dudes, impeach Dick Cheney, and George Bush, then replace them with some one who's competent to run the physical economy as outlined by Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton three reports to Congress! American Political Economy System, where art thou?

[liquidous]

Why isn't Homeland Security and Customs getting more involved. Just saw another program on the news that says pills and medicines are getting into our countries supply that are made of pressed dung and coated over, some made with pure dish washing detergent and stamped a nice brand on the bill . our doctors are getting these supplies and prescribing them to the public.

if only Washington would listen

its got to stop.

[jdhurst]

<snip>

if only Washington would listen

its got to stop.

Same this here.

There is, however, no chance of getting anyone to listen. It might look like they were treading on someone's toes.
... JDH

[Kyocera]

Seriously dudes, impeach Dick Cheney, and George Bush, then replace them with some one who's competent to run the physical economy as outlined by Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton three reports to Congress! American Political Economy System, where art thou?

Yes I agree, impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney would immediately solve this auto parts issue. Good point.

[ptantra]

Yes I agree, impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney would immediately solve this auto parts issue. Good point.

Even if it doesn't, it'll still make some people feel good.

[liquidous]

i think more consumers need to be aware that the entire world is ripping them off, and representing something else . more insurance companies need to be educated, and some (unfortunate but true) need to stop endorsing the parties who undermine our country.

[AlphaKilo470]

The job of the insurance company is to hold in as much money as possible. They will do whatever they can to avoid paying back the money you give them (which you paid to make sure you'd have something to cover unexpected situations).

[liquidous]

Greetings All,

anyone notice one of the countries second largest counterfeiters just acquired the countries largest counterfeiting distributor? LKQ bought Keystone just last week. it looks like they stole the company, not a good price for Keystone at all. could it have been because of the trouble Keystone is in with MQVP and their mega lawsuits.

My search engines just spotted this new page change on the MQVP.com website. They have a consumer safety advisory up. Interesting.

Stay safe out there.

http://www.mqvp.com