X61T Sleeves / Cases Warning - Do NOT order from Shinza.com

[snots]

Hi,

I am quite angry ; I ordered from Shinza.com and emailed to cancel b/c I ordered the wrong size (by the way, they have NO phone number anywhere on their website or email, they expect you to only use email).

I was told promptly on 2 weeks ago that it was canceled.

I was charged 3-4 days ago on my Credit card despite being told my order was canceled. I NEVER received any product, despite being charged.

Giving this company your credit card # is a disaster waiting to happen. People have ordered and been ok, but YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

[Justintoxicated]

I emailed them before I purchased and they gave me 20% off and I ended up getting my case before I even got the laptop. I'm sure it was just a mistake and they will fix it for you they were very prompt returning my emails. Maybe they will give you a discount for the hassle.

[fongj]

This sounds like a general gripe/complaint about a retailer.

Why did you pick this forum to post this in? and why give it the title referring specifically to X61t cases/sleeves? There's probably a better (more relevant) place for you to vent.

I expected you to point out some sort of mistake/flaw from Shinza or a warning about something that looks like it will fit the X61t but really doesn't. Ordering the wrong size doesn't count.

[fuscob]

People (and companies) make mistakes, and the OP doesn't seem to realize that...he is the same one who wrote a post dismissing Lenovo entirely because one side of his screen was a few millimeters higher than the other side.

[snots]

People (and companies) make mistakes, and the OP doesn't seem to realize that...he is the same one who wrote a post dismissing Lenovo entirely because one side of his screen was a few millimeters higher than the other side.

well say what you will, but the tilt was quite noticeable in real life. i expected a $1500 Thinkpad to have better build quality; 2-4 mm is alot of misprecision, if you are an engineer you will know what i mean


anyways, its been 5-6 days since Shinza replied to me stating they have effected a refund, I am still waiting for it to show up on my credit card bill.. when i do get the refund I had been planning to update this thread to say that at least I got refunded. But I am still waiting..


PS. Lenovo's steadily degrading build quality is a not a new fact of life. People have been stating this for years already -- I have been told that the last great, truly well-built thinkpads were the designs taht IBM last designed while they owned the Thinkpad division.

[ajkula66]

snots wrote:

PS. Lenovo's steadily degrading build quality is a not a new fact of life. People have been stating this for years already -- I have been told that the last great, truly well-built thinkpads were the designs taht IBM last designed while they owned the Thinkpad division.

For the most ThinkPad users this has not been a fact of life at all. Every generation of ThinkPads had its flaws, and your view is a pretty uninformed one.

A2x series - BOD syndrome

A3x series - GPU failures, cracks under ultrabays

T2x series except T23 - BOD, palmrest cracks

T23 - palmrest cracks, "pulsing fan" error

T30 - memory slot failure, GPU failure

T40/41/42/p - massive GPU failures

T43/p - severe heat, noisy fans

X3x - serious heat issues causing motherboard failures

X4x - poor LCD & lid design prone to white spots, problematic 1.8" HDD

And this was just off the top of my head...mind you, I've owned most of these, and in quantities.


So where's that perfect ThinkPad of the past, apart from residing within someone's imagination?

I have my beefs with Lenovo, but fact of the matter is that T6x machines are much more reliable, and overall better built, than T4x were.

I resent the fact that they've gotten rid of IPS LCDs except on tablets, and that are likely going into "widescreen only" direction. But going into different direction from one that I would like to see does not automatically mean degrading the build quality. As much as I have qualms about T60p design, that was the best-built IPS ThinkPad ever, and I've had all of them, in dozens.

As for TN panels...they always left a lot to be desired IMHO, both during IBM days and now.

[snots]

Hum I see. Well you may be right, I guess.

Anyways, the info about LCD panels is interesting. I know extremely little about panels, but of course I do know that IPS >> TN.

I also know that my Dell Ultrasharp 20" Wide is IPS, and the screen looks AMAZING.

Heck, it completely wipes the floor with the X61T's IPS screen. I mean, I can understand if a notebook LCD has less nits, etc, but the X61T IPS has some weird issue with graininess, especially with pure white boxes.

My Ultrasharp has no such issue with pure white boxes; and it never looks grainy.

But boht are IPS.

Also, not to knock on Thinkpads, but Vaio LCD's and even Dell's Vostro screen's look MUCH Better than the IPS X61T's. (I have previously owned a Dell Vostro for 30 days before returning).

Also, for some reason, the shiny reflective screens of non-matte laptops just look *better*.

[thePCxp]

PS. Lenovo's steadily degrading build quality is a not a new fact of life. People have been stating this for years already -- I have been told that the last great, truly well-built thinkpads were the designs taht IBM last designed while they owned the Thinkpad division.

Lenovo is not degrading build quality. I have used one of the new ThinkPads and the quality was great. Like ajkula66 said, every generation of ThinkPads had its flaws, and that's because nobody and nothing is perfect, but despite that, ThinkPads are still the best.

[threedaysrest]

Lenovo is not degrading build quality. I have used one of the new ThinkPads and the quality was great. Like ajkula66 said, every generation of ThinkPads had its flaws, and that's because nobody and nothing is perfect, but despite that, ThinkPads are still the best.

This. Try using a Gateway, Dell--consumer or business model--or HP--again, consumer or business model--and you'll see just how superior ThinkPads are. I'd not spend my money on anything else.

[snots]

Lenovo is not degrading build quality. I have used one of the new ThinkPads and the quality was great. Like ajkula66 said, every generation of ThinkPads had its flaws, and that's because nobody and nothing is perfect, but despite that, ThinkPads are still the best.

This. Try using a Gateway, Dell--consumer or business model--or HP--again, consumer or business model--and you'll see just how superior ThinkPads are. I'd not spend my money on anything else.

You guys make good points. But I'm just saying that there *could* be something even better.

Disregarding the OS and only considering the *quality* of hte machine, how about Apple Macs ?

How about Fujitsu.

I think high-end Macs and Fujitsus give Thinkpads a challenge.

[ajkula66]

snots wrote:

I think high-end Macs and Fujitsus give Thinkpads a challenge.

Well, I can't comment on Fujitsu because I haven't seen too many of them, but Macs belong to a completely different universe than ThinkPads, and are aimed at different target market group altogether. I've seen a couple of Macs opened and getting ready for "surgery" and OMG I'd never buy one, but that's just me. My eyes don't need a machine that requires a microscope to be worked on. And they seem oh so fragile...

If you want to know what former ThinkPad corporate users are sporting these days, the answer, for the most part, is ToughBooks. And if Lenovo goes 100% widescreen, even more people will shift to using Panasonics IMHO.

[snots]

snots wrote:

I think high-end Macs and Fujitsus give Thinkpads a challenge.

Well, I can't comment on Fujitsu because I haven't seen too many of them, but Macs belong to a completely different universe than ThinkPads, and are aimed at different target market group altogether. I've seen a couple of Macs opened and getting ready for "surgery" and OMG I'd never buy one, but that's just me. My eyes don't need a machine that requires a microscope to be worked on. And they seem oh so fragile...

If you want to know what former ThinkPad corporate users are sporting these days, the answer, for the most part, is ToughBooks. And if Lenovo goes 100% widescreen, even more people will shift to using Panasonics IMHO.

Omg. I have seen the toughbooks on their website, and I saw 1 specific model in person.

WTF is that notebook. Its a beast. Its like 2 thinkpads stacked on top of each other. LOL

There must be a thinner toughbook taht you are alluding to, but from what I saw its a grossly thick laptop. Sure, it can handle a 10 foot drop, but so could my Thinkpad if I encased it in solid metal

[ajkula66]

What I was referring to are CF-73 (discontinued) and Y7 units...not nearly as thick but very well built machines, if you don't mind (I do) not having a trackpoint...

My next new laptop, if Lenovo goes widescreen only, will be one of these...it would be the first non-ThinkPad that I've ever owned.

[snots]

What I was referring to are CF-73 (discontinued) and Y7 units...not nearly as thick but very well built machines, if you don't mind (I do) not having a trackpoint...

My next new laptop, if Lenovo goes widescreen only, will be one of these...it would be the first non-ThinkPad that I've ever owned.

Widescreen isnt that bad.. I quite like it actually. I wouldn't mind it if my X61T were widescreen..

[snots]

Ok. So I did get the proper refund from Shinza.com after all.

So they are a reasonable company and I was a little hasty to over-react.

However, these kinds of mistakes shouldn't really be happening especially after they confirm with me that the order has been canceled.

And they never did return my call to their office that I placed a week ago; it was one of those "we are busy now so leave a message and we'll call you back" things.