thoughts on the current situation in america

[devanshoom]

Okay, I have a question directed at the USA members of this forum, but of course anyone is welcome to respond.

First of all let me say that I am not anti-american in no shape or form. I left my country 20 years ago (UK) and mix with people from all walks of life, preferring to judge people as individuals rather than based on where they were born. Also I am not being political either, cos basically I have absolutely no time for all the childish bickering that goes with politics. I am bringing this up simply as a person on this planet communicating something I feel of importance with other humans on this planet (phew..got that out of the way)

Seriously though, I really have to say that cos what I am going to write here tends to get certain people on the defensive and making random accusations, when in fact there is no ill intent on my behalf at all....Im just a normal guy with an inquiring mind who happens to own three thinkpads.

My questions are as follows

#1: Why do so few americans know about the "Amero"? .......which is a new currency that is supposedly set to take over the dollar at some point in the near future, and which will become the primary currencies of USA, Canada and mexico (yes mexico). A quick search on google, using "Amero" as a search word, will throw up a veritable stack of search results for anyone that is interested in reading up about it.

#2; Why do so few americans know about the proposed "North american union"...an agenda set to eliminate the borders of USA/Canada, and USA/mexico, and basically bring all 3 countries together in much the same way as what happened with the EU in Europe?

I feel that second one would be quite a talking point for most USA people, if they actually knew about it.

I am not american but I have American friends and so I understand how much the constitution means to you guys. If anyone can be bothered looking into it, you will see it clearly spelled out that, if a north american union goes ahead, the current constitution of the USA will be rendered obsolete, and replaced with a new set of "codes and practices". If you consider the recent patriot acts 1 and 2, with their encroachment on people's private lives, and the general increase in heavy handed forms of governing over the last few years, (UK as well), a new set of codes and practices doesn't sound like something to cheer about

Before anyone comes at me with angry comments and accusations of american bashing or whatever (you guys can be very sensitive these days ) , please take a few minutes to at least check out the two things i have mentioned above, i.e., the amero and the north American union. From what i can make out they both seem to be real enough. If I, a UK born person living in Vietnam, consider this to be "big news" then I dare say you guys over there will consider it even "bigger news".....after all it is your country.

I write this in good spirit and welcome all comments...but would prefer some intelligent and civil discussion rather than abuse.

Okay, thanks

[Harryc]

I agree with the points made in this Wikipedia article;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

The Amero will never be reality because it will never have support form the largest player, the US. I quote "...the United States simply has too many advantages from the status quo to move toward a single currency." Then there are the Constitution implications. Any idea that would undermine/rewrite the Constitution of the US would never be publicly accepted. It is so engrained into the US national identity that any attempt to dramatically change it would be rejected. Furthermore, any proposal to do that by any politician or group of politicians in the US would be tantamount to political suicide. Can you imagine the fallout if President O'Bama said to the American people that we are going to change the entire US currency system next year, and oh by the way we're going to rewrite the Constitution to do it? I can envision the mobs with ropes marching on Washington.
Looking at the identity of this country, the Constitution is such an integral part of that identity that if it were fundamentally changed, so would that identity. It's like if I said to you devanshoom, we're going to erase your British background and your Vietnamese background, and we're going to make you a Nigerian because we don't have enough Nigerians that use Thinkpads. It's that fundamental ...
As far as why the average American doesn't know about it, it's a conspiracy theory that doesn't have national attention or any merit based in fact. Plain and simple.

[qviri]

Before anyone comes at me with angry comments and accusations of american bashing or whatever (you guys can be very sensitive these days ) , please take a few minutes to at least check out the two things i have mentioned above, i.e., the amero and the north American union. From what i can make out they both seem to be real enough. If I, a UK born person living in Vietnam, consider this to be "big news" then I dare say you guys over there will consider it even "bigger news".....after all it is your country.

Haha are serious? You're not American bashing, you've just fallen for one of the most asinine and worn out conspiracy theories around. If the continent does get a common currency anytime soon (very questionable*), you can bet it's going to be called a dollar, and as for the Union, I don't know if you've noticed but the United States has been moving in exactly the opposite direction, attempting to seal up their borders.

*It took 30-40 years for the countries of the EU to bring in a common currency, and the benefits in that case were much larger since individual countries are smaller so cross-border trade is much more common. Quite frankly, there's no reason Americans would want to do anything to their currency, and I don't expect people in Mexico and Canada would be too pleased about being monetarily annexed.

Harryc, Wikipedia tells me that USD was created by http://Coinage Act of 1792. Are there also references to the currency in the Constitution?

[devanshoom]

I knew someone would throw up conspiracy theory. its a pretty standard response these days.

Basically, calling it a conspiracy theory kills the issue dead without any further research...cos thats what the term conspiracy theory was invented for - to create an air of "nonsense" regarding certain issues and thus making people disinterested and not bothering to look any further.

Look beyond Wikipedia if you have a spare 5 minutes. Wikipedia is about as UN-biased as fox news, and is well known for "toeing the line".

If you have an hour to kill why not go to google video and watch Aaron Russo's documentary called "america freedom to fascism". Aaron Russo is the guy who made trading places starring eddie murphy...Which is to say that Aaron Russo is a well respected movie director, not a nutty conspiracy theorist. Its a very informative and highly rated documentary, and has many interviews with people in some very key places within American society... I can think of worst ways to spend an hour. Link is below....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... to+fascism

[qviri]

Aaron Russo is the guy who made trading places starring eddie murphy...Which is to say that Aaron Russo is a well respected movie director, not a nutty conspiracy theorist.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

[ajkula66]

devanshoom wrote:

Which is to say that Aaron Russo is a well respected movie director, not a nutty conspiracy theorist. Its a very informative and highly rated documentary, and has many interviews with people in some very key places within American society.

The same could be said for Michael Moore...and being a gifted artist (director in this case) has never prevented people from being downright useless in other areas...

BTW, I'm not American, have lived in three different countries on permanent basis and consider myself a citizen of the world. USA will never give up the dollar. Brits haven't given up on the pound (yet) and kudos to them for staying out of whole Euro nonsense and rip-off...

Anyone who seriously thinks that USA, Canada and Mexico can be a part of anything apart from a fairly meaningless trade agreement such as NAFTA knows very little about what's going on around here, and understands the American need for status quo in zillions of areas even less...

My $0.02 only...

[devanshoom]

michael moore is a fake who never tackles real issues. He just distracts people by making lame documentaries that raise more questions than answers....and of course making george bush junior look like some sort of inept bumpkin....as if bush junior really had a say in anything of importance.

Ive just watched that aaron russo doc again...its quite good. At the beginning he basically makes it known that there is absolutely no law in the USA that states people have to pay tax....which is to say its a big scam. The latter part of the film he goes much deeper, and includes how the major bankers control everything in the states...including congress and the federal reserve. The federal reserve is a private bank apparently, nothing to do with the US government at all. Worth watching.

[dsvochak]

Harryc, Wikipedia tells me that USD was created by http://Coinage Act of 1792. Are there also references to the currency in the Constitution?

Excerpt from US Const, Art I, Sec 8
The Congress shall have Power...
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weiqhts and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States

[killer]

The federal reserve is a private bank apparently, nothing to do with the US government at all. Worth watching.

Blimey, have you only just found that out? it has been in the public desmesne since grandma caught her t!ts in the mangle ... and that's a few years ago.

I am not getting involved in this discussion except to say that:

• Europe has several currencies other than the Euro; GBP, CHF, Zloty, Krone, etc.
  National heads of state exist within Europe; Queens, Kings, Presidents, Grand Dukes, etc.
  EU politicians spend too much money and are a waste of space in the opinion of most Europeans.
  The whole idea of the EU is brilliant because it prevents wars and maintains democracy, stops capital punishment and looks after human rights.
  The EU is also stupid because it tries to control people; drinking, smoking, driving, riding a bicycle without a helmet, trying to pasteurise our cheese, having fun, etc.
  We all hate each other really but the EU keeps us smiling at one another.

The idea of USA, Canada, and Mexico as one unit is, IMO, a complete non-starter.

The Amero is a non-starter.

Sorry, matey, but I'll bet you a tenner that it'll never happen in my lifetime.

[ajkula66]

devanshoom wrote:

michael moore is a fake who never tackles real issues. He just distracts people by making lame documentaries that raise more questions than answers...

Well...I'm no fan of Mr. Moore, but the way I see it, the role of opposition and intelligentsia is to raise questions, and not to always have answers...making people think about anything fairly serious is quite a feat in today's day and age...

Quite a few of us are aware of different aspects of taxation without representation that has been going on for a very long time...but people are simply way too comfortable in their skin to do anything about it...

The crucial mistake within the Marxist assumption that revolution would initially take place in the industrially developed countries is that they had no clue how easily people could be bought...and/or sedated...

[Kyocera]

Yeeehawwww!!!!,devanshoom, you sayed a mothful there brother! You know them there unions is all run by the mob, so thats where all the money will go anyways, the mob, I heered that on Jerry Springer on that there majic picture tube we have in the trailer. My sister mother likes to watch Jerry for the educmcaktional value and stuff

Amero, pretty sure thats a kar, dont no a lot bout kars neether, lessn they is 4 wheel dirves, yeeeeehaaawwwww!! .

I think I speek for all mericans on this impordandt issue that you has talked about earlier. Yu see i is very worldly knowledged and stuff being ameirkan and knowing of such smartlike issues of the day. Is all on channel 6 news at 5,6,and 11, check that out sometime there rootin tootin smartlike!!!! yeeeehawwwwww. doggies!!!!!!

[ajkula66]

Glad to see you back, Mike..........you are being sorely missed, trust me....

[Kyocera]

Thank e kindly George!

I am so banned this time...tee he he he he!!!

[bill bolton]

I knew someone would throw up conspiracy theory.

Given the rest of your responses, you seem to be just as guilty of attempting to kill the issue dead as those who you are taking a shot at.

[spuddog]

At the beginning he basically makes it known that there is absolutely no law in the USA that states people have to pay tax

There are certainly a lot of people of people who are in prison or have paid large fines for tax evasion that would refute this assertion.

Look, I know that making an Eddie Murphy movie makes you an constitutional expert, but this conversation is going nowhere.

Sigh! and I told myself I was not going to comment.

Scott

[dsvochak]

The latter part of the film he goes much deeper, and includes how the major bankers control everything in the states...including congress and the federal reserve.

At least now I know where the guy at the table next to me in a diner last Friday gets his information. He was convinced US currency is printed and controlled by the World Bank. As proof he pointed to the Federal Reserve Emblem and said, emphatically, "See!".

Does the "documentary" point out the bankers are clearly controlled by the Rosicrucians and the Knights Templar?

[devanshoom]

Yeeehawwww!!!!,devanshoom, you sayed a mothful there brother! You know them there unions is all run by the mob, so thats where all the money will go anyways, the mob, I heered that on Jerry Springer on that there majic picture tube we have in the trailer. My sister mother likes to watch Jerry for the educmcaktional value and stuff

Amero, pretty sure thats a kar, dont no a lot bout kars neether, lessn they is 4 wheel dirves, yeeeeehaaawwwww!! .

I think I speek for all mericans on this impordandt issue that you has talked about earlier. Yu see i is very worldly knowledged and stuff being ameirkan and knowing of such smartlike issues of the day. Is all on channel 6 news at 5,6,and 11, check that out sometime there rootin tootin smartlike!!!! yeeeehawwwwww. doggies!!!!!!

Haha...mate Im not buying it. If you were that stupid there is no way you would own a thinkpad .

Okay looks like i am alone here....Id like to tackle it differently from here on...

Fluoride. It is a fact that fluoride is a waste by product of the alluminium industry, causes sedation/apathy when ingested, impairs critical thinking, is the main ingrediant in rat poison, and on the whole has no benefit to humans whatsoever. Why is this stuff being added to the water supply of the entire western world? And dont even think of calling this a conspiracy theory, cos its right out there in the open.

Before you all do a wikipedia search and decide there is nothing to worry about, let it be known that fluoride was used by both hitler and stalin in concentration camps to render inmates submissive and easy to controlled....this is fact, period.

This stuff has just been given the go ahead to be added to my county's water supply back in UK, with other UK counties soon to follow suit.

Now you all seem rather cosy and assured that its all just "conspiracy theories" and no one is out to do you any harm.....okay fair enough.....but why the fluoride in drinking water?

Dont even bother saying its good for teeth...that is absolute baloney and has been disproven by a number of independant researchers.....independant meaning they are not bankrolled by the FDA, and so you might not find them on wikipedia...

[spuddog]

clearly controlled by the Rosicrucians and the Knights Templar

No, no, it's controlled by the Trilateral Commission, or was it the Illuminati, no wait the Buildiburgers (spelling?).

Scott

[spuddog]

you might not find them on wikipedia

Ok first you say it's the proof is on Wikipedia then you say because it's not on wikipedia proves your case.

this is my last comment, because the op has proven the old joke is correct.

Question. Why do you not argue with an idiot?
Answer. Because they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

I'm out
Scott

[qviri]

Fluoride. Why is this stuff being added to the water supply of the entire western world?

Popular demand by people who miss the smell of a swimming pool would be my guess!

dsvochak: thanks!

[devanshoom]

Ok first you say it's the proof is on Wikipedia then you say because it's not on wikipedia proves your case.

Im not sure what you are getting at. ..I dunno how it reads to you but the last sentence was me being sarcastic...basically I was saying wikipedia doesnt give much airtime to anything that contradicts the official government slant on things....And Im not sure where I said you will find proof of anything on wikipedia.....thats not something I would ever say...maybe you read me wrong.

Anyway...not that it matters. You can split hairs if you want...and indirectly calling me an idiot is fine too.....just bear in mind that being an idiot or not is pretty much irrelevant. I was talking about fluoride and how it impairs brain activity/critical thought and so why the hell is it in our water.

You can all beat me down or try make me look silly or whatever...fine. At the end of the day what happens to the USA or even the UK doesnt really affect me that much. I just feel that something is creeping up on you guys while you are all sleeping....and while you yourselves may not bear the full brunt, there is a danger that your children will.

C'mon people....fluoride...Just take a minute to google "fluoride prozac' and you will find that the drug prozac is a fluoride compound...and what is prozac???? Its a mind suppressant.....

And its in our water supply.

[devanshoom]

Popular demand by people who miss the smell of a swimming pool would be my guess!

dsvochak: thanks!

[/quote]

I dont think fluoride is put in swimming pools....maybe you mean chlorine or bromine?

[devanshoom]

here are two links to a 2 part youtube video explaining exactly what fluoride is and does.....total time 18 minutes...This video is made by people who know what they are talking about.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3y8uwtxrHo

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hW0_UMt ... re=related

[RealBlackStuff]

Don't know why you keep dragging on with this thread.
You certainly won't earn any brownie-points here.

[devanshoom]

Don't know why you keep dragging on with this thread.
You certainly won't earn any brownie-points here.

not looking for brownie points mate......just trying to engage you guys in some discussion and post a few vids I think are worth checking out. It isnt a crime to be concerned about the well being of the human race.

Admin edit: You need to go tout your conspiracy theories over at the Religion & Philosophy forum then.

Since it is going nowhere here, this thread is now closed.