Give up on Lenovo?

[automobus]

Every operating system is annoying. It's just a question of which set of annoyances you prefer.

Exactly.
I, for one, think the Macintosh Operating System is one of the most annoying. And I prefer Windows 6 annoyances over Windows 6.1 annoyances. (That is, 7 annoys me more than Vista.)

[dr_st]

And I prefer Windows 6 annoyances over Windows 6.1 annoyances. (That is, 7 annoys me more than Vista.)

The standard interface of Win7 is very similar to that of Vista, but Vista can be made to behave more like classic Windows than Win7 can.

[killer]

Oh dear, I do hope this isn't descending into a 'my operating system is better than yours' debate.

I like Windows 7 that came on my T510. I can see no reason to replace it.

[ThinkRob]

Oh dear, I do hope this isn't descending into a 'my operating system is better than yours' debate.

It's the Web. *All* discussions will eventually converge on an OS flamewar.

[lophiomys]

But you don't mind putting up with Linux annoyances daily.

My point with Linux is, that if there are annoyances, you find a informative error log l all the time, you fix it and it is running forever.
Writing this on a T42p with Kubuntu 8.04LTS. (IMO runs better on this HW than 10.04LTS)

On the other side Windows, does inexplicable things all the time, even Win7, there are often misleading error messages,
or you simply don't know whats going on, and sometimes it helps to reboot twice. I'm just fed up with this.

I'm not very amused that Lenovo obviously is saving on Linux support, as many Thinkpad
features do not work under more out of the box on recent Kubuntu based Linux distributions.

[dr_st]

My point with Linux is, that if there are annoyances, you find a informative error log l all the time, you fix it and it is running forever.

Uh, no, you don't. I've worked with various Linux versions, and I know there isn't always an informative log. Or maybe it's there somewhere buried under thousands of lines of useless junk that somebody thinks are important to log, which is as good as unexisting. Or maybe it's there but it's not informative to you because you don't understand what the heck it says, and you have to search online to decipher it. Granted, in the end you will get to the bottom of it, but you would probably be just as lucky for searching for solutions for Windows problems.

On the other side Windows, does inexplicable things all the time, even Win7, there are often misleading error messages, or you simply don't know whats going on, and sometimes it helps to reboot twice. I'm just fed up with this.

So you don't know how to handle Windows as well as you handle Linux. There are people that are the opposite. That doesn't make Linux or Windows superior to one another.

Bottom line is that all these error messages and logs were written by people. If you suggest that the people who write logs and error messages for Linux are somewhat inherently doing a better job than the Windows people, we'll have to agree to disagree.

My experience shows that on average Linux is not more or less problematic than Windows - just different. And locating the solution to the problem takes (at least me) on average the same amount of time on both operating systems.

[thinkpad1]

My experience shows that on average Linux is not more or less problematic than Windows - just different. And locating the solution to the problem takes (at least me) on average the same amount of time on both operating systems.

wHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE? Windows has this 'point and click' method but most of the tasks or processes are flawed and faulty. So, one doesn't know what/how to diagnose because MS hides everything from the user.

At least, one can troubleshoot more easily in Linux. XP and older Thinkpads are for the birds. Just look at all the threads of people having basic problems in XP with their Thinkpad!

[dr_st]

Windows has this 'point and click' method but most of the tasks or processes are flawed and faulty.

This is your opinion. I disagree.

So, one doesn't know what/how to diagnose because MS hides everything from the user.

Seems to me by the plethora of Windows troubleshooting sites and guides, that one does know how to diagnose.

At least, one can troubleshoot more easily in Linux.

This is your opinion. I disagree.

Just look at all the threads of people having basic problems in XP with their Thinkpad!

Right... And no one, EVER, has problems with Linux. The ratio of posts/threads on these boards between Windows and Linux forums is about 3:1. So on average for every 3 persons seeking help with Windows there is one seeking help with Linux. Now do you want to estimate how many persons running Windows on their Thinkpads there are per a single person running Linux?

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