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Any Chem ppl here???

#1 Post by emeraldgirl08 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:58 pm

I have a good feeling that there might be an expert in Chem here.....so I'm in need of a little assistance with a Chemistry problem. The problem involves Hess's law and is set up as:

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From the enthalpies of reaction

2H2(g)+O2(g)--> 2H2O(g)     Delta H: -483.6 kj
3O2(g)--> 2O3(g)     Delta H: +284.6 kj

Calculate the heat of the reaction

3H2(g)+O3(g)-->3H2O(g)
If anyone could guide me in the right direction I'd truly appreciate it :)
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#2 Post by killer » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:11 pm

Blimey, when I did stinks (chemistry) at school we had none of this stuff!

Do you have a formula on which we can base a calculation?
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#3 Post by sir_synthsalot » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:00 pm

Is that a typo in the first equation? Mercury gas? :lol: Also the first equation is not balanced.

The enthalpy of a reaction can be determined from the sum of the individual steps.

It's very easy. You just reverse the second equation so O2 will cancel out (heat of reaction also reverses), balance the two equations so they add up to the third one, and the then add the heats of reaction. Whatever you do to an equation you also do to the heat of reaction, so for example if you multiply an equation by 2 to make it cancel out you also multiply the heat of reaction by 2.
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#4 Post by emeraldgirl08 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:03 pm

sir_synthsalot wrote:Is that a typo in the first equation? Mercury gas? :lol: Also the first equation is not balanced.

The enthalpy of a reaction can be determined from the sum of the individual steps.

It's very easy. You just reverse the second equation so O2 will cancel out (heat of reaction also reverses), balance the two equations so they add up to the third one, and the then add the heats of reaction. Whatever you do to an equation you also do to the heat of reaction, so for example if you multiply an equation by 2 to make it cancel out you also multiply the heat of reaction by 2.
lol :oops: glad you caught that! I corrected it!

Still perplexed about this b/c aren't the two molecules on opposite sides of the reaction:product sides supposed to be identical when cancelling? The O2 on one side is 1 mole while the other side is 3 moles.
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#5 Post by sir_synthsalot » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:41 pm

You have to multiply each one so they cancel out.

So the first equation:

2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O (-483.6 kj) | x3

becomes

6H2 + 3O2 -> 6H2O (-1450.8)

add the second equation reversed

2O3 -> 3O2 (-284.6)

you get

6H2 + 2O3 -> 6H2O (-1735.4)

then divide by 2 to get the final equation and enthalpy

3H2 + O3 -> 3H2O (-867.7)

Alternatively you can multiply the first equation by 3/2 and divide the second one by 2 and the 3/2 O2 will cancel and give you the identical answer.
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#6 Post by emeraldgirl08 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:28 pm

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#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:42 am

I'd rather learn how to speak Swahili :?
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#8 Post by jdrou » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:32 pm

This problem is basically just algebra with a slightly different notation. It's been probably 25 years since I did anything with chemistry and I could have solved this.
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#9 Post by virge » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:13 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:I'd rather learn how to speak Swahili :?
jdrou wrote:This problem is basically just algebra with a slightly different notation. It's been probably 25 years since I did anything with chemistry and I could have solved this.
It's only been about 10 years since my wife and I took O-chem together. I stared at the problem like it WAS Swahili. Thought it would be interesting to show my wife and laugh about how much we'd forgotten. She promptly started muttering something about multiplying by 3 on each side.... Guess which one of us graduated with honors? :lol:
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