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My old ThinkPads degrading

Older ThinkPads.. from the 600, the 7xx, the iSeries, 300, 500, the Transnote and, of course, the 701
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My old ThinkPads degrading

#1 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:04 pm

I am going through seeing what ThinkPads I am going to let go to other ThinkPad collectors and notice my T20 and T23 the palmrest has a crack and the right hinge on both machines are just sitting on top like they were laid there. My ThinkPads were kept in clean plastic bins with just enough for 3 to sit inside the bin. The i1400 has a hair crack on the lid. Not sure what is causing cracks on these old ThinkPads but my 600X LCD bezel got a crack before too and used a glue to make it look somewhat good again. Click on bottom image of my ThinkPads T23 and A22e. https://patcomps.weebly.com/
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#2 Post by MikalE » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:28 pm

As plastic ages it becomes brittle due to outgassing of the hydrocarbons in the plastic. As they slowly evaporate over the years or decades the plastic becomes very hard and is prone to being easily cracked.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#3 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:35 pm

It sad that is what is happening, It getting harder to find replacement parts these old ThinkPads. I would use ArmorAll on my ThinkPads witch would help protect the plastics but I guess even over 20 years it don't matter. I guess if I kept cleaning them then maybe last better but they been sitting in the bins for a year or 2 safe from dust. I guess all I can do is re glue the cracks
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#4 Post by TheForgottenKing » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:29 pm

Might want to look into rebuilding the frames in cad software and 3d printing them.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#5 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:38 pm

Has anyone ever done this yet for our old ThinkPads?
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#6 Post by TheForgottenKing » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:38 pm

Don't think so
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#7 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:43 pm

I got a machine but it is only 10x9x8" (LxWxH) so I cant do any major parts. Going to see if I can get access so some bigger machines and I'll see what I can do.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#8 Post by ThinkPad560X » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:29 pm

I have a lot of old IBM ThinkPad bases lids and such when I use to repair for IBM if need the parts for sizing. I don't know how it works or if it scans the parts that you want to make.
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#9 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:26 am

Scanning only works for things like figurines and such. Nice, colorful objects that are relatively square and slight imperfections don't matter.

Real parts have to be made by hand. Now I have made some TP parts in the past like an A31 battery(well just a blank to make it look better) and the such. The biggest issue is not having the time to do so, and the printing material. There is no way PLA will work, and might, but likely some kind of PP or PC plastic. Now if I had a Markforged printer I could make carbon fiber reinforced PC which would work great but each part would be like 300$ to print and the printer is like 10K. Probably start with small things like Ultrabay things.

The other problem is that 3D printers suck at making small walls. That's just how it works. I would either need to get shapeways to make it or get a ridiculous 0.2mm nozzle so that I could make intricate walls but then the prints will take a very long time(probably on the magnitude of a few days)

BTW: the A31 battery had a few wrong dimensions. It didn't fit right. Probably due to using a ruler and an online 3D modeler. Got Fusion 360 now. Just uploading the file for viewing purposes.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#10 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:56 pm

Surprise that these old plastic parts are failing this early. Wonder if the cleaning product and UV light over the years are taking a toll on the plastic and is making it brittle?

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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#11 Post by ThinkPad560X » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:25 pm

No I had ThinkPads from 760 and older get cracks and such without me even cleaning them. I guess over time the plastic just get really weak. I found mostly get weak on where the hinges attach to the base and breaks a corner off the base.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#12 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:04 am

Can't say Toshiba was much better on their machines. They loved to crack. Most cheaper laptops, the hinges have failed pretty spectacularly. Look at any Compaq LTE machine(especially the 286,386 and 486 machines) and watch the plastic Carnage.

Now only If I had a GRID machine(the real magnesium she'll ones)
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#13 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:32 am

The only thing we can do to keep our old ThinkPads looking good is to get plastic reprints. I looked on ebay just for random ThinkPad parts and it looks like they are getting harder and harder to find parts.
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#14 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Cigarguy wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:56 pm
Surprise that these old plastic parts are failing this early. Wonder if the cleaning product and UV light over the years are taking a toll on the plastic and is making it brittle?
It depends on what model of ThinkPads you are talking about. Generally the cheaper I series ones have weaker plastic than let's say, T series or A series.
Also, while my ThinkPads did start cracking, but the crackage is much less than something like a Pentium 4 - M Dell Inspiron that I have which now the lid is almost cracking apart (mostly due to improper use before I got my hands on it, but still)
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Re: My old ThinkPads degrading

#15 Post by Hierax_ca » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:10 pm

Way worse than any of the Thinkpads are the plastic on the IBM NetVistas, I've got an x41 than has bits crumbling off!
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