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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#91 Post by pkiff » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:58 pm

DK6400Brian wrote:Installed Powerstrip on my evergoing 770Z and that has eliminated the weird flaws in the display with dotted vertical lines all around.
Hey, Brian, long time no see. This Powerstrip solution sounds intriguing/promising! I'm in the process of trying to put one of my 770Z's back into daily use. I'll give the trial version of this thing a try and see if that seems to solve the issue on my machine as well.

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#92 Post by DK6400Brian » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:22 pm

Yeah, it's been a few days, Phil :) Missed you too :D

It's so weird, that this thing works. Had to tell.

Btw, pretty interesting stuff that 1 GHz MicroPGA/MMC-2, pulled from a Panasonic rough-PC.
Glad I didn't saw it earlier on. I'm $150 richer now.

The 600X and 770X/Z must be the laptops with the longest lifespan.
I think mine are from 1999. That's 10 years of full service. Good golly. Works like a charm.

Get that thing up'n running, Phil. :thumbs-UP:
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#93 Post by el-sahef » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:09 pm

It seems that the program does not have to be started at boot again once the corruption is gone, so no need to buy the full version of the program, but I did not boot up too often with the autostart of the program disabled so that still has to be verified.

The 1 Ghz CPU with the MMC-2 to µPGA2 adapter even works stable at 1,08 Ghz in the 770x (it ran prime 95 with no errors for some time) but I found out now that after unconnecting the AC adapter during a torture test and using the battery I get errors on prime 95 and even blue screens after some time. It seems that the battery (it is a new one and works with Pentium II and on my father's Pentium III 700 Mhz 770x) can not give enough power to the laptop with this processor installed. I will solder a switch to the speedstep mod so I can boot with lower core voltage and speed when running on battery. I hope that this will resolve the issue.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#94 Post by pkiff » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:33 am

el-sahef wrote:It seems that the program does not have to be started at boot again once the corruption is gone [....]
Interesting update re: Powerstrip. I still haven't tried this on my 770Zs, but am looking forward to it.
el-sahef wrote:The 1 Ghz CPU with the MMC-2 to µPGA2 adapter even works stable at 1,08 Ghz in the 770x (it ran prime 95 with no errors for some time) but I found out now that after unconnecting the AC adapter [...] It seems that the battery (it is a new one and works with Pentium II and on my father's Pentium III 700 Mhz 770x) can not give enough power to the laptop with this processor installed
This is also very interesting, though I doubt I'll be trying that mod out. Hope you can resolve the battery-only issue with the SpeedStep mod...

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#95 Post by el-sahef » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:37 pm

I finally got the processor to work stable when running on battery, but on lower speed (756 Mhz, 1,35 Volt). When the AC adapter is connected, it runs stable at higher speed (1,08 Ghz, 1,6 Volt). This kind of fake-speedstep is done by two transistors who switch the Speedstep-Mod off when the AC adapter is disconnected and vice versa.
This is the circuit i made:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=fake ... isfuy2.jpg (813x506, 50KB)
It can also be done by a relay, but it is difficult to find a place for it in the Thinkpad.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=fake ... aybjaj.jpg (813x506, 54KB)
It should also work on Thinkpad 770Z, 600E and 600X without speedstep-enabled system board. The only two restrictions compared to true speedstep is that you have to go into standby, connect or disconnect the AC adapter and wake up again from standby to make a speedstep transition (if you connect or disconnect the ac adapter while in operating mode, the machine will switch off imediately) and you can not adjust the speed via the INTEL utility or the Windows XP power schemes.
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133 Mhz FSB on Thinkpad 770X, 770Z and 600E (NOT 600X!)

#96 Post by el-sahef » Wed May 27, 2009 9:35 pm

I found a way to get 133 Mhz Frontside-Bus in the Thinkpad 770X (tested), 770Z (tested) and 600E (not tested, but should also work because it uses the same clock generator). To achieve this, you must desolder the original clock generator (PLL) on the system board (IMI SG577DYB) and solder a new one that has the same pinout but provides more frequencies. I used the ICS 9248BF-55 which can be found e. g. on Gigabyte GA-6BXE and GA-BX2000 desktop motherboards. This clock generator provides 66, 100 and 133 Mhz FSBs @ 33 Mhz PCI clock (works), 75 and 112 Mhz FSBs @ 37 Mhz PCI (worked for me, too) and 83 and 124 Mhz FSBs @ 41 Mhz PCI clock (not tried, but should most likely cause problems).

Because the i440BX chipset in the notebook can only provide 89 Mhz AGP clock at 133 Mhz FSB (which is too high for the Trident graphics chip) you have too feed the AGP clock with a second clock generator and configure its FSB outputs to 66 Mhz at 3,3 Volt operation (and use it for AGP). I do not know if the Neomagic graphics chip in the 600E works with 89 Mhz AGP clock but if it does, it makes things a lot easier.

To make thing even more difficult, you have to use PC133 CL2 (not CL3!) SD-RAM SO-DIMM for stable operation because the 770X and 77Z do not provide an option in the BIOS to set the CAS-latency to 3 and therefore only support CAS-latency 2.
I do not know if 600E supports CAS 3.
256 MB-Chips that run CL2 at 133 Mhz and are compatible to i440BX chipset can be difficult to get, the crucial ones which are listed as comatible for 600X do work.

With this mod, it should be possible to overclock 850 Mhz MMC2-CPUs up to 1133 Mhz but you can of course also overlcok chips with lower mutliplier e. g. 450 Mhz to 600 Mhz.
The higher FSB should have a bigger impact on performance as the higher processor clock because the Frontside-Bus is the bottleneck on the Pentium III.
For example, a 600Mhz Pentium III at 100 Mhz and multiplier 6 is much slower than a 600 Mhz Pentium III at 133 Mhz FSb and multliplier 4.5.

Since I own the µPGA2 to MMC-2 socket adapter, I can also use CPUs with multiplier 9 and 10 in the newest D0-stepping which usually overclocks good. MMC2-CPUs are only available with multiplier up to 8.5 and in the older C0-stepping which can still be overclocked to 1 Ghz+, especially when raising Vcore (voltage can be raised and lowered easily on MMC2-processors, I will post information at another time; it helps to save battery-time and make cooling easier when lowering the voltage).
850 Mhz >>> up to 1133 Mhz
800 MHz >>> up to 1066 Mhz
750 Mhz >>> up to 1 Ghz (should always work without raising Vcore).

The 1 Ghz µPGA2 CPU was not able to run at 1,33 Ghz (133 x 10) even at 1,75 Volt (Vcore can be adjusted with switches on the socket adapter).
A 900 Mhz µPGA2 CPU was able to run at 1,2 Ghz at 1,75 Volt, but I still have to test if it is stable and if the voltage can be lowered to 1,7 Volt or 1,65 Volt :twisted: .

Even if it does not work, 933 Mhz (FSB 133 and the mutliplier 7 of the 1 Ghz CPU in the battery-optimized mode should be faster than 1 Ghz @ 100 Mhz FSB and mutliplier 10).
933 Mhz was also stable on my old 850 Mhz MMC2-CPU without raising voltage.

Unfortunately there is no 950 Mhz µPGA2-CPU, so I can not test 1266 Mhz.

This mod is only possible with good soldering skills and equipment and does not make any sense regarding cost/performance (maybe only when using a 450 Mhz CPU because it can still run with the original CPU cooler/fan assembly at 600 Mhz); it is only proof-of concept :) .

Here are some pictures, but they are 150KB each, so be warned!

backside of system board with switches
These are far more complicated because I made a circuit that changes the FSB when AC-adapter is plugged in. Normally, only three simple switches connected to ground and to the three frequency-select-pins of the clock generator can be used to set the FSB.
topside of the system board with the new clock genator ICS 9248BF-55
topside of the system board with the second clock generator to feed the correct AGP clock
screenshot at 89 Mhz AGP This happens if you do not feed correct 66 Mhz AGP clock when runnig 133 Mhz FSB on the 770X and 770Z. The graphics chip can not work correctly with this high AGP speed. Maybe the Neomagic graphics chip on the 600E can.
850 Mhz MMC2-CPU running at 933 Mhz (7x133 Mhz) and correct AGP clock feeded.
900 Mhz µPGA2 CPU running at 1,2 Ghz and correct AGP feeded
Memory that works at 133 Mhz and CL2 Selled by Crucial for Thinkpad 600X, manufactured by Micron.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#97 Post by DK6400Brian » Wed May 27, 2009 10:29 pm

I just like your way :banana:

I'm still using the 770Z with a 850@700. Haven't had the nerve yet to mod the hardcore way.

Your new efforts are just so freakin' interesting, so I had to respond right away.

I got the recommended 16 chip 256MB low density ramsticks in this machine. I think they're PC100.
You're using PC133, so that's just one more step ahead.

1133 MHz just like that. Is your clockmod without the SpeedStep- and 106 MHz FSB-mods ?

Keep 'em coming el-sahef. Thank you. :bow:

[edit] By the way:
My 12½ year old daughter tells me, that some very high pitch noise (15KHz+) is coming from my 770Z, but I can't hear it myself.
I suspect it's coming from the CCFL inverter, due to the coils there that makes high frequency AC to the CCFLs.
Nailpolish should cure that. I'll get to it later and report back.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#98 Post by el-sahef » Thu May 28, 2009 7:55 am

Is your clockmod without the SpeedStep- and 106 MHz FSB-mods ?
For 1,2 Ghz, I use the MMC2 to µPGA2-socket-adapter with Speedstep-Mod applied, a 900 Mhz µPGA2 CPU in D0-stepping (I also own a 1 Ghz µPGA2 CPU in D0-stepping, but it does not work at 1,33 Ghz (133 Mhz x 10), only at 1,12 Ghz (112 Mhz x 10)) and the modified system board:
pictures (150KB each, be warned!):
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top
socket+CPU
side

For 1133 Mhz with the 850 Mhz MMC2-CPU you have to apply the Speedstep-Mod (to enable 8.5 multiplier for 850 Mhz and higher 1.6 V Vcore) and modify the system board as described above. So you have to change the clock generator on the motherboard to an ICS 9248BF-55 (for 133 Mhz FSB operation, so 108 Mhz Mod to the old clock generator is obsolete in this case) and use a second clock generator to feed the correct 66 Mhz AGP clock for the graphics card. Again: This is very difficult! I sawed the second cock generator with some piece of surrounding PCB with the necessary resistors for the clock generator chip out of an old Pentium II desktop mainboard. And you have to use PC133 CL2 SD-RAM. PC100 Cl2 or PC133 CL3 or PC100 CL3 will not work. And of course they have to be 16 chips low density if they are 256 MB (I use one 256MB and two 128 MB, all PC133 and CL2).
My 12½ year old daughter tells me, that some very high pitch noise (15KHz+) is coming from my 770Z, but I can't hear it myself.
I suspect it's coming from the CCFL inverter, due to the coils there that makes high frequency AC to the CCFLs.
Nailpolish should cure that. I'll get to it later and report back.
The inverter only produces high pitch noise if the backlight is not set to maximum brightness. But there are also coils on the DC-DC card that produce such noise, but not all the time.

Edit:
There is absolutely no way using the original small IBM fan assembly even at 850 Mhz because it can not cool down the processor after heavy load. You need something like this (150 KB each, be warned!):
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg3605dk7p.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg36113kla.jpg

For the µPGA2 socket adapter I made a new cooler with a bigger surface (150 KB each, be warned!) On these pictures, the 133 Mhz FSB-mod is not applied to the system board yet:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg48509i5o.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg4856ch7s.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg4857ij7m.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cimg4822cga5.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=_dsc5809fnmmfmch.jpg
And there is the adapter for the 1,8" Toshiba HDD. An Adapter for CF-cards may also work regarding space and it is of course much easier to use a CF card than soldering such an adapter for 1,8" HDDs. Only processors with low speeds can still be used with the original cooler when overclocked to 133 Mhz FSB! Changing the cooler is a large amount of work. I did not mention it in the post above because I already did it when using the 850 Mhz MMC2 CPU (there are photos in this thread), so it was not in my mind anymore :oops: .
450 Mhz will be overclocked to 600 Mhz >>> OK
500 Mhz will be overclocked to 666 Mhz >>> OK
550 Mhz (lower multiplier of 700 Mhz CPU) will be overclocked to 733 Mhz >>> still OK, but should be the maximum what the IBM cooler can take
600 Mhz will be overclocked to 800 Mhz >>> no way using the original cooler any more

Edit: 1,2 Ghz is not even stable at 1,75 Volt (Edit: 1,85 Volt) :(
933 Mhz (133 Mhz FSB x 7, no overclocking for the 1 Ghz CPU) is rockstable, so the mods and the RAM are all stable and the CPU is the only limit. 1,12 Ghz is stable also at 112 Mhz FSB and 1,65 Volt with 1 Ghz CPU.
Maybe I should try 1133 Mhz with an 850 Mhz D0 CPU since this is the clock speed region which seems to be stable at acceptable voltage.
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8MB VRAM upgrade for 770X and Z with 1024x768 screen

#99 Post by el-sahef » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:02 pm

Normally you get a problem with colors not being correct when swapping the 8MB video card from a Thinkpad 770X or Z with the 1280x1024 screen into a model with the 1024x768 screen to upgrade your graphics card from 4 MB to 8MB.

Now I got a third 4MB card to play with and moved its two RAM-ICs to the second 4MB-Model I own so it also has 8MB on it. But they where not recognized in Windows and in the BIOS at first (when you hit ctrl-a in the test menu, the amount of graphics ram is displayed). After comparing the two cards, I saw some more differences and found out that you have to bridge two solder-pads so that the BIOS enables the 4MB additional ram.
After that, the 8MB got recognized in BIOS and in Windows. Video playback can be improved in some cases because I can now play some h264 video files (low res) and XVID files (high res) flawless on my upgraded 770X that where stuttering before.
This was tested on Windows 98SE because hardware overlay is not enabled by the graphics driver in Windows 2000 and XP and therefore windows 98SE is the OS to go for video playback because the performance is noticeably better. Only 3D mode and overlay mode (both enabled on 98SE only) will profit from the upgrade.

Since it is difficult to solder a ram IC, it should be more easy to get an 8MB model and swap the resistors to match the position they have on the 4MB model so that the colors are not corrupted on 1024x768 screens.

These two images show the differences between the two graphics card versions (8MB models do have two more RAM ICs of course, but this is not shown on the pictures).
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=8mb_ ... op6nmk.jpg (837px × 837px; 149.27 kB)
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=8mb_ ... omowha.jpg (621px × 522px; 49.37 kB)

If you change the resistor positions on the 8MB version as shown, the card should work fine with 1024x768 screens. Note that the bridge that tells the BIOS to enable 8MB ram is already closed with a blue 0-Ohm-resistor on 8MB versions, so no change needed in this area.
I do not guarantee that this method works because I did it the other way (added two ram ICs to a 4MB model and soldered the bridge for 8MB BIOS support) but I compared this selfmade version that works with 1024x768 screen and the original 8MB version and the differences on the pictures where the only ones I found, so it should work.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#100 Post by CHAZ-HOUSE » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:33 pm

I am just getting started.

My 770Z has a BIOS dated 1-27-99.

Can anyone refer me to a BIOS upgrade?????????????????????????????

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#101 Post by DK6400Brian » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:13 pm

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#102 Post by CHAZ-HOUSE » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:19 am

Thanks Brian, for the reference!!!!! It looks like a lifesaver. I hoped for the specific BIOS upgrade that will allow recognition of a large HD, 320 (gig). They told me I could do this if I ever need when I bought the 770Z from IBM. el-sahef seems to say now, I can come close, only with two 125GB partitions on the WIN98 SE & Service Pack 2.1 (See Tue, May 4, 2010). Is this the only way????????????????????

Thanks again. Please keep in touch. Am sure I will need more help.

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#103 Post by DK6400Brian » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:51 am

You're welcome, Chaz.

Please keep on posting your experiences with the 770Z. It's a great machine.

If you want to do your 770Z a favor, that must be to feed it with Windows 2000. They're made for each other. The DVD-player inside W2K will be installed, if you got the DVD-drive in the UltraBay. Moreover, if you got the DEVA-card, the W2K DVD-player will use this card.
I don't know how the DVD/DEVA is working with XP, but I have seen reports of a 770Z running XP. I'll recommend W2K though. The W2K installation on my machine dates back to 2005. No BSoD's, no nothing, it just hammers away.

I don't know if you still can get the MMC-2 P-III 850 MHz CPU-card on eBay, but if you ever get your hands on it, it'll make the 770Z a lot faster. Combine that with 2x256 MB low density 16 chips RAM-sticks.

I stopped upgrading my own 770Z with the MMC-2 850 MHz and 512 MB RAM. It's running @ 700 MHz, but is equipped with 2 harddrives. 60GB@7K + 80GB@5K(UltraBay).

Try and look through this forum, the Lenovo.forum and the Notebookreview.forum for any written material on 770Z. I'm not sure about having a 320GB HD in the machine, but it can take a lot. Phil, Bill and JHEM know more, if they dig long enough in their elderly braincells :banana:

Funny though. There weren't any of the errors on the 770Z, that is now experienced with far mor modern machines, like T61-series, W500. I consider my Z61p [0674-KSG] being the last stable and well made machine made from IBM, by the way.

It's a great machine. Loved it from day 1 :thumbs-UP:

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#104 Post by VIBM » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:38 pm

sickofit wrote: Just in case you didn't know....the 770ED has soldered on 32MB chip under the system board,that can not be replaced.....As for the 770ED ....when I used a 256Mb pc100 and a pc66 128Mb it saw all the memory.....from all my experience with mine you will only see 416MB in a 770ED....425 at startup...

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Greg, or whoever can help,
I have a 770E PII 266, running Win2KPro.
If I put in a low density 256MB pc100 SODIMM in one slot, and a
low density 128MB pc66 SODIMM in the other slot, will my
laptop recognize the total 416MB(256+128+32int) without any bios or other tweaking?

I"m also wondering how much performance will be improved, by having 416MB ram in a 266 PII running Win2K. It's running pretty slow with the 64MB that I have in there now.

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#105 Post by ryan.aden » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:17 am

VIBM wrote:Greg, or whoever can help,
I have a 770E PII 266, running Win2KPro.
If I put in a low density 256MB pc100 SODIMM in one slot, and a
low density 128MB pc66 SODIMM in the other slot, will my
laptop recognize the total 416MB(256+128+32int) without any bios or other tweaking?

I"m also wondering how much performance will be improved, by having 416MB ram in a 266 PII running Win2K. It's running pretty slow with the 64MB that I have in there now.

Hi, VIBM.

I think yes. It will.
To fix the BIOS to the latest version is "always" a good idea.
No other tweaking needed.
BTW, which BIOS version do your Thinkpad has?

The performance will be improved. More RAM, more performance!!! :)
It's not a question of a CPU, only. :idea:

Hope, this will help :wink:

Great forum and great input.
Thanks to all of you.

I'm new, but visiting this forum many times before.

I really love my Thinkpad 770z. Working fine for 10 years now and the story will go on... :banana:
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#106 Post by erik » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:37 pm

volvy wrote:Well, I have decided that the video problem is probably not heat. Since my post I have determined that the CPU fan does come on. Though I'm not sure at what temp it does turn on, since I still can't monitor changes. At this point I assume the video corruption is caused but the video adapter not being 100% with the 100 MHZ FSB. I have read about the same problem elsewhere in the forum with the same conclusion. Not every one who has made the PIII upgrade seems to have the problem though. My guess is that some video adapters are happy at 100mhz and some are not.
as a workaround to the video corruption issue on PIII-modded 770X/770Z systems, simply disable the trident driver in devmgmt.msc.   i've been testing this under XP SP3 for the last few weeks and it works 100% of the time.   you lose video acceleration and the ability to sleep as a consequence but gain a perfect display at every boot.

disabling the trident driver forces the use of the in-built VGA driver.   1280x1024 @ 16-bit color is still an option for those with SXGA panels.   dragging app/file windows around shows a bit of a lag in refresh but it's certainly usable, especially on a 13-year-old system where speed isn't likely the top priority any longer.

the corruption issue seems to be in how the driver handles the FSB and PCI bus clock frequency increases.   if some owners are lucky with their PIII-modded systems and never have the corruption issue, i'd be curious what OS and video driver they're using.   the trident driver under XP has the issue.   win 2000 might not.   win 7 with the VGA driver is completely clean.   in fact, that's how i discovered the workaround.

so, for those willing to give up video acceleration and sleep to correct the corruption issue, they now have an option.


this may be an old thread but i hope this info is useful to other 770X/770Z owners.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#107 Post by OneByteCPU » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:37 pm

Hey folks.

I just got given a 770 in cosmetically nice condition. However, after doing the initial post it come to a screen with just a big box with "0 > 1" in it and will not do anything else.

Is anyone familiar with this?

Edit: Never mind. I figured it out. It's the most F'd up way of saying "reboot".
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#108 Post by Irina060 » Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:32 am

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Hi everyone!

During this past months I have been messing with a 770Z and 770X models, both have the 8mb VRAM graphics. And I bought two MMC2 750mhz CPU alongside them for testing. I still havent done the upgrade on the 770X because I need to fix the backlight first but Ive done some benchmarks regardless.
First thing I did was update the BIOS to the latest version available, and then the RAM to 512mb. With that, I installed a Msata SSD to IDE and Windows98SE as it is the only one with 3D hardware acceleration. And to my great surprise, this Trident Cyber9397DVD card is actually capable of hardware 3D acceleration, I was able to install DX7 and DX8 with full 3D support, but DX9 only has DirectDraw support but still GPU accelerated, very surprising. I used 3DMark to do some synthetic benchmarks and here are the results before the CPU upgrade (All tests were done in 640x480 16bit color):

- 3DMark99: 492 Overall Points and 2738 CPU Points
- 3DMark2K: 295 Points
- 3DMark01: 99 Points

The rest of 3DMark tests wouldnt load, displayed an illegal instruction error or wouldnt perform any test because there is no DX9 support. In games, Quake was very playable, GLQuake did launch but it was a slide show meaning that, although slow, it also has OpenGL 1.0 support, amazing. Games like Imperium Great Battles of Rome were doable but not great, and 3D titles like VRally was stuck between 2-5FPS with everything set to low. I did more testing with KernelEX and was able to install and run Minecraft 1.0 with the help of TitaniumGL, a OpenGL to DIrectX wrapper, in any case it wouldnt go beyond 1fps and all the textures were darkened and you could see the polygones. A similar thing happened in VRally were the textures were glitchy. Classicube run in software mode at 4 FPS all low.

I am lucky enough to have two 1Ghz Pentium 3s PGA CPUs, and I had someone pull one of the Pentium3 and place it in the MMC2 replacing the 750mhz CPU, all via BGA. The process did seem to be done perfectly, so I did the Speedstep mod before trying the CPU first, maybe a mistake. I then pulled apart the 770Z and placed the 1Ghz MMC2 CPU in its place. It is actually pretty easy and straight forward process to disassemble the machine, but to test the CPU you have to put almost the machine back together. Sadly it didnt work, the machine wouldnt boot and the mini symbol screen would only show the speaker symbol turning on and off repeately. In the manual it seems that repeated beeps meant a CPU or GPU issue, I reseated everything with the same result, the CPU was getting very warm so power flows ok. When I took the cooler from the MMC2 card I found that a screew actually dented the CPU:

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Im not sure it is only superficial and if it wouldnt matter, or even if the Speedstep mod was done incorrectly. But it would heat up yet not boot. I tried the remaining unaltered 750Mhz MMC2 and it worked just fine, I had to edit the BIOS and install powerleap but other than that its working nice. This leads me to believe that maybe the 1Ghz mod is too much, Ive read that these mods work better with the 770X which I still have to try. Now this the 750Mhz CPU running at 600Mhz I did some tests, and here are the results:

- 3DMark99: 733 Overall Points and 9088 CPU Points
- 3DMark2K: 421 Points
- 3DMark01: 137 Points

Very nice upgrade here to be honest, in games, Quake, Quake 2 run nicely and Quake 3 does run but smoothly only below 640x480, not great but smooth. Minecraft 1.1 runs superflat at 2-3 fps, still all blacked out, Classicube all set to low rocks at 22FPS! And games like Imperium and VRally are now actually playable with 10 FPS being the lowest Ive seen.

Miscellaneous info now, the BIOS is actually locked to only use 137GB hard drives, meaning that anything beyond that, even if its recognised by the OS, wont be useable. I installed Win98SE in a 118GB partition and XP in a 60GB partition and it wouldnt work, ntoskrl error. Same goes for Linux, I installed Q4OS in the whole disk but it would try to load "past hd0" and fail. I ended up doing a multiboot with Win98SE, XP, Q4OS withing 137GB and it is working perfectly fine. Also important, with the CPU upgrade, the OS might load with glitches, with or without GPU drivers installed, 16bit or 32bit color, I do believe it is the AGP bus not liking the new 100Mhz bus from the CPU. Powerleap does not work, for me, under XP. And what it is most weird of all, XP can get the screen so corrumpted, it becomes a color festival, I dont have images cuz I thought it was going to break the machine if I didnt turn it off, it does dissapear after restarting, it may need several restarts to fix itself or only once, luck based. When I opened it I inserted another 256mb RAM inside, the BIOS detects 768MB but will only use 512MB.

Overall the machine works amazingly, I was lucky enough to get one with a working battery that lasts more than an hour. It can game, it can go online, and it is perfectly usuable for office work. I have yet to test more games and tune it further. I would love to grab one of the PGA-MMC2 cards, apparenty it came from a Panasonic laptop from what I could read in here, to try my luck with the remaining 1GHz PGA CPU I still have. And of course to try the, maybe damaged, 1GHz MMC2 card in the 770X.
Please let me know if you think my 1Ghz MMC2 CPU is completly gone or if its superficial, if you know what kind of Panasonic uses those CPUs and of course if you would like me to try anything else :)

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#109 Post by franjimo24 » Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:49 pm

Cool to see people still modding these cool bento boxes. The 9397DVD video cards do have 3d acceleration but they are as slow as slow can get. Getting quake/2 to work is pretty impressive though. I'm not sure about the 1Ghz mmc2 being a workable mod, the photo shows the CPU damage to be superficial but it's a bit difficult to say for sure. I have a 770E and 77X both with 400mhz CPUs, they get hot but work well, and I'm still trying to figure out how to do a good cooling mod as it is not an easy design to mod. If you are having backlight issues they are easy to fix most of the time as it relates to the inverter board fuse needing replacement, I've been able to repair 3 inverter boards so far by de-soldering the old fuse and soldering a new one.

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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#110 Post by solidpro » Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:59 am

Good work, how are your palmrests holding up? Most of them seem to wear through to the bare metal, especially on the right side.

I've read a few people say how difficult these are to work on but I didn't think that. The boot process is a bit weird if you have a dead clock battery. Basically you can't use the machine on a dead clock battery. The machine is relatively easy to disassemble, but there are a lot of screws to remove and you need to be methodical in the order of deconstruction.

Overall, I think these machines are great examples of 'posh' machines of the era, but lack a bit of soul!
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#111 Post by solidpro » Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:43 am

A fresh contibution...

Received this ‘non booting’ IBM Thinkpad 770Z this week – the last and highest specification 7XX series thinkpad. A true monster, which feels like it’s made of solid metal and certainly 770-series machines seem to suffer from ‘chipping’ or wearing out of the surface coating of black paint. This might well be the first IBM thinkpad model with a DVD-ROM drive and a Pentium III CPU.

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This machine was likely sold in 1999 for $4,799 (around $9000 in today’s money) and the 7xx range was IBM’s range for business, enterprise or professional users. In 2000, the 7XX range was replaced by the A-series range (which I believe were essentially business and high-end consumer, desktop replacements.) This machine is Pentium II MMX 366Mhz with 320Mb RAM (an almost unimaginable amount of RAM in 1999). It also has 4Mb of dedicated video memory (I think it's Trident Cyber 9397DVD video card likely has built-in MPEG2 hardware decoding) as well. The slightly smaller display came with 8Mb RAM, so this one has the benefit of a larger display but less video RAM.

It’s worth noting that 7XX machines and A-Series machines found their way regularly into outer space with NASA – although not sure a 77X machine ever did…

This machine piqued my interest because it looked in good condition – particularly the palmrest was undamaged, as almost all 770 machines now have a bare-metal worn palmrest, it looked unmolested including it’s original hard drive (including the hard-to-find caddy), original DVD-ROM and despite not booting, it sounded like it had a commonly solved fault.

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I’m pleased to say that the boot issue was easily resolved. Unlike a lot of thinkpads, the 77X series will never boot with a dead clock battery. It will loop in a ‘switch off and on again’ screen, even if it lets you set the time. A new CR2025 and we’re booting into (Hebrew-enabled) Windows 98!

One thing that amazes me with almost any old, working computer running Windows is how slow they are simply because they have never been degragmented. The FAT file system gets in a right old mess after accumulated file movement and a defrag can be the same as doubling the RAM! It’s been defragging for about 30 minutes and still at 2%, meaning it will make a lot of difference.

Also I’ve removed all the bloatware, including a number of spyware tools and anti virus scanners – the previous owner was obviously scrupulously concerned about infection! Hardly an issue now, so I tend to remove software like that as the constant background activity and interference is just not worth the hassle. This machine will never be connected to the internet in my ownership, let alone have weird unknown software installed on it.

Now, it just needs a gentle-but-thorough clean and a complete disassembly to recap the DC/DC board to save it from it’s leaky caps and we’re in business!

If anyone has a worthwhile, higher specification MMC 2 CPU I could buy, please let me know. Probably anything P3 500Mhz or higher might be worth it....
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#112 Post by solidpro » Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:22 am

I have completed further preventative work on this 770Z so to help others, I'll add a few more notes.

I am not going into all the details of the teardown but it's fairly straightforward. The best advice is to have plenty of space and lay each removed item or set of screws out in order which you follow in reverse when re-assembling. Try to use a magnetic pad with a whiteboard marker to lay out where each screw came from (as there are about 5-10 different shapes and sizes in the 770).

Hibernation Battery

Every 770 machine should have it's 3-cell hibernation battery removed immediately. If you wish to replace it with a safer equivilent thats down to you, but I simply remove them and dispose of them to prevent them leaking and damaging everything around it. Even without leaking, parasitic corrosion travels up the pair of connection cables and works damage into the motherboard. Here is the hibernation battery, which is accessed by removing all the screws on the base, along with 4 along the top of the keyboard and pulling up the keyboard.

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DC/DC Power Board Electrolytic Capacitor Leakage

The DC/DC daughterboard is prone to failure. I don't know if leaking capacitors are the only cause of this but certainly is partly responsible - not only due to the failure of the capacitor but the damage the fluid within causes to components nearby, including what looks like voltage regulator ICs.

This is the card, which is removed by taking out 3 screws ontop of the board, a screw by the PS/2 port, 2 screws either side of the USB port and both bolts either side of the serial port:

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This is the capacitor and you can clearly see specific 'rot' around the capacitor on the PCB:

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Once the board is off, it's simple to gently twist off the surface mount capacitor, clean the pads and everything around it and replace with a tantalum which will only ever stop working, not damage anything else:

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Finally, just on this particular Thinkpad of mine, Windows 98 would not defrag and kept restarting at 2%. I had to cut my losses and decided to format the drive and reinstall with Windows 2000 - slightly not period correct - as in, it came out 1 year later but IBM did release all the drivers for Win2k so it was supported. NT4 is too old, no USB and not very 'useful' for simple tastes around this era machine and I have literally dozens of similar Windows98SE machines. This machine was enterprise/professional so it usually would have spent most of it's life with Windows 2000 despite being stickered for 98/NT4. I also prefer the built-in driver support and stability of Windows 2000. I personally used it for many years until it was replaced by XP SP3. In this case, Windows 2000 Professional SP4 came with *all* the 770Z drivers built-in. All I needed to do is install some IBM-factory extras which provide a closer 'factory-spec' machine - like battery maximiser, .Net Framework, Access IBM, Thinkpad Configuration, along with some IBM wallpapers and screensavers.

Even on this 'good' machine, you can see evidence of how the palmrest wears away and the paint reacts to human skin over time. It's a shame. Hopefully this one will remain a good example of the conclusion in the 7XX Series thinkpad.

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#113 Post by ThinkDan » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:04 pm

A nice example :) A bit like the 600 series, most of these now look like they've had a hard life probably because they last so well and were a great used price/performance/upgrade/repair proposition even when getting on a bit.

I wonder if the sheer bulk and weight of the 770 made it awkward to carry in standard A4-sized laptop bags of the era, especially when acquired 2nd hand and used with whatever laptop bag came to hand - so it got wedged in backpacks and other less padded bags with other clutter, with the power supply and mains plug stuffed in beside it?

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#114 Post by Irina060 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:30 am

After a couple days I finally tried to upgrade the 770X with the 1Ghz Pentium 3, it didnt work but it did turn on everytime meanwhile the 770Z only turned on a few times, both with the same problem so it was not completly recognised Im assuming. I will try to grab an upgrade when they drop in price cuz they are really really expensive atm. Also the palmrest on the 770Z is fairly destroyed, even the paint came off and you see some sort of green under paint, the 770X is doing much better in that aspect but both seem like they were heavily used. I cleaned the 770X deeply and the backlight issue went away so it was probably a bad contact as I believe someone opened the system before. Even the standby battery looked good but of course I took it out for good measure.
I didnt know most drivers were also available for win2k, did you find a working graphics driver with 3D accel? Amazing review btw, very nice images, Im glad you showed the problem with the AC board, mine are still fine but you never know.
If I find more upgrades I should consider using more cooling but its really challenging to fit a bigger heatsink in there, Im thinking of using thin cooper layers to cage the fan instead of the standard heatsink. Im open to new ideas lol

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#115 Post by solidpro » Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:37 pm

Yeah the 770 is like the Geoff Capes of the 600 world. Very similar design and build feel. But like a Humvee version. The 770 is a monster. It's like 3 x 600-series machines ontop of each other. At the time of these machines, everyone (at work) wanted a 600 and I never saw a 770 in the wild. The 600 was like something from BTTF 2.

My main interest today is it's (somewhat) rarity, it's piece as the end of a series and it's (somewhat) sheer power of specification. Particularly being able to play DVDs, which the 600 may have supported in it's optical bay but doubt any Windows OS could have decoded at a decent frame rate.
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#116 Post by Edward Mendelson » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:35 pm

This thread inspired me to pull out my 770Z in very fine condition, complete with a 30GB SSD installed with Windows NT4, 2000, 95, 98SE, and XP. I can't remember why I did all this, but it's all there.

I didn't realize it was crucial to remove the hibernation battery (which the HMM calls the standby battery). I started to do this, and then realized that I didn't have any replacement stick-on caps to replace the four that I would have to remove above the keyboard. Does anyone know where to find replacements? Or, if replacements aren't easy to find (as I expect), is there any advice on how to remove the caps so that they might look good enough to put back on again afterwards?

This really is quite a machine.

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#117 Post by astral » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:16 pm

solidpro wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:22 am
This is the capacitor and you can clearly see specific 'rot' around the capacitor on the PCB:
That is dried up flux from manufacturing, not rot or capacitor leakage. There is no harm in removing it but it is not harmful either.
Not to say replacing the cap is a bad idea though. Seeing a failure in a 1999/2000 laptop at this point in time is RARE, but can happen. It doesn't harm anything to replace it though, it can only extend its life.
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#118 Post by solidpro » Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:09 am

That is dried up flux from manufacturing, not rot or capacitor leakage.
Smelled of fish.... You're right though, it does look like old flux.
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Re: The official 770 Upgrade and general information Topic

#119 Post by astral » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:43 pm

Perhaps there is some cap leakage mixed in then. Most of that is definitely flux though. cap juice usually looks more yellow and oily and doesn't try all hard like that.
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#120 Post by ThinkDan » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:21 am

Edward Mendelson wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:35 pm
I started to do this, and then realized that I didn't have any replacement stick-on caps to replace the four that I would have to remove above the keyboard. Does anyone know where to find replacements? Or, if replacements aren't easy to find (as I expect), is there any advice on how to remove the caps so that they might look good enough to put back on again afterwards?
From memory these are the thin black plastic discs covering screw head apertures, like on earlier models? I lift them carefully with a needle under one edge, then touch them against a free part of the screen bezel or keyboard surround to hold them, then replace with fine forceps. Usually the glue is still pliable and sticky enough that they go back on and grip well.

I have a vague memory of these being available in replacement sets on a sheet in service kits around the 750/755 era (these were covered in them). ETA: Bingo! listed as 'Screw cover 66G5046' in the 755 HMM, I'm not going daft then :D

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