Quick question about FAT32 & NTFS

Older ThinkPads.. from the 600, the 7xx, the iSeries, 300, 500, the Transnote and, of course, the 701
Post Reply
Message
Author
Wingnut
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:25 pm
Location: Toronto

Quick question about FAT32 & NTFS

#1 Post by Wingnut » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:31 pm

I was just about to install a new HD in my TP600. I will be using Acronis to clone my old one to the new one. But, the new one is formated to NTFS and the old one is FAT32. Can I still do it or do I have to format the new HD to FAT32?

I am going to search on it now, but thought I would ask the question now in case I can get a quick answer as I am trying to do the swap now.

Thanks very much
TP 600 2645 51U PII upgraded to 400mhz and 416mb RAM - First backup - Gone
TP 600E 2645 4BU PII 400mhz and 548mb RAM - Second Backup - Gone
TP 600X 2645 5EU PIII 500mhz and 589mb RAM - New Back-up
TP T-23 2647 ??? PIII 1.13G and 1GB of RAM + Wifi - Just got it :)

Wingnut
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:25 pm
Location: Toronto

#2 Post by Wingnut » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:53 pm

I think I found the answer. Apparently, Acronis true image formats the new drive anyway, so it doesn't matter what it is formatted to right now.

But, if I want the new HD to be NTFS, can I chose that as a format option and still clone from the FAT32 HD? Or do I have to do the clone as is in FAT32 and then change it to NTFS after?

Thanks.
TP 600 2645 51U PII upgraded to 400mhz and 416mb RAM - First backup - Gone
TP 600E 2645 4BU PII 400mhz and 548mb RAM - Second Backup - Gone
TP 600X 2645 5EU PIII 500mhz and 589mb RAM - New Back-up
TP T-23 2647 ??? PIII 1.13G and 1GB of RAM + Wifi - Just got it :)

nitro2k01
Freshman Member
Posts: 67
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:52 am
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

#3 Post by nitro2k01 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:17 am

I don't know what Acronis can do, but I do know you can convert your partition post-clone by using the convert.exe utility included in Windows.

Also see also this info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/libr ... 89a48.aspx
TP 600E:: Type: 2645 (Defunct. Description left for posterity.)
CPU: 650*1.08=702 MHz PIII with SpeedStep disabled. (Used to be 400 MHz PII)
RAM: 288 MB
HDD: 80 GB non-IBM
_________
TP T60:: Type: 2008-CTO
CPU: Core Duo T2400 1.83 GHz
RAM: 3 GB
HDD: WD Scorpio Black 320GB 7200 RPM

carbon_unit
Moderator Emeritus
Moderator Emeritus
Posts: 2988
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:10 pm
Location: South Central Iowa, USA

#4 Post by carbon_unit » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:44 am

Acronis will make the new one the same format as the old one. You get no choice.
T60 2623-D7U, 3 GB Ram.
Dual boot XP and Linux Mint.
Registered linux user #160145

Wingnut
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:25 pm
Location: Toronto

#5 Post by Wingnut » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:27 am

carbon_unit wrote:Acronis will make the new one the same format as the old one. You get no choice.
OK. Thanks. So would there be any benefit to converting to NTFS after the clone or should I just leave it alone?
TP 600 2645 51U PII upgraded to 400mhz and 416mb RAM - First backup - Gone
TP 600E 2645 4BU PII 400mhz and 548mb RAM - Second Backup - Gone
TP 600X 2645 5EU PIII 500mhz and 589mb RAM - New Back-up
TP T-23 2647 ??? PIII 1.13G and 1GB of RAM + Wifi - Just got it :)

rkawakami
Admin
Admin
Posts: 10055
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:26 am
Location: San Jose, CA 95120 USA
Contact:

#6 Post by rkawakami » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:14 am

From a safety standpoint, I would convert the cloned drive from FAT32 to NTFS and if anything goes wrong, you would STILL have your original drive.

edit: After re-reading the entire thread, if your concern is whether there's any benefits or drawbacks between the two file systems, then maybe this will help:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/ntfs_or_fat ... system.htm
Ray Kawakami
X22 X24 X31 X41 X41T X60 X60s X61 X61s X200 X200s X300 X301 Z60m Z61t Z61p 560 560Z 600 600E 600X T21 T22 T23 T41 T60p T410 T420 T520 W500 W520 R50 A21p A22p A31 A31p
NOTE: All links to PC-Doctor software hosted by me are dead. Files removed 8/28/12 by manufacturer's demand.

Wingnut
Sophomore Member
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:25 pm
Location: Toronto

#7 Post by Wingnut » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:25 pm

Thanks for the link. So, I will clone the drive first, then I can have it as a back-up, then convert the new drive to NTFS. Gotcha. Thanks.

One more quick question. Are there minimum requirements for a computer to convert to NTFS? For exapmle, since my TP is low on processor speed & Ram (relatively speaking), will converting slow it down? I am just wondering if I should just leave it alone once the clone is complete? I just don't know if the NTFS uses more resources?

Thanks again.
TP 600 2645 51U PII upgraded to 400mhz and 416mb RAM - First backup - Gone
TP 600E 2645 4BU PII 400mhz and 548mb RAM - Second Backup - Gone
TP 600X 2645 5EU PIII 500mhz and 589mb RAM - New Back-up
TP T-23 2647 ??? PIII 1.13G and 1GB of RAM + Wifi - Just got it :)

rkawakami
Admin
Admin
Posts: 10055
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:26 am
Location: San Jose, CA 95120 USA
Contact:

#8 Post by rkawakami » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:08 pm

Don't know the answer to that. I can say that I'm running 500Mhz 600X systems with Windows XP and NTFS and it's not that slow. Currently the 600Xs have a full load of memory (576MB) but I've run them with as little as 320MB and they did seem slower, but I'd attribute that to XP itself, rather than my choice of file systems.

You may want to turn off the Indexing Service once you convert to NTFS. Here's something from the horse's mouth:

Working with File Systems - Microsoft
Ray Kawakami
X22 X24 X31 X41 X41T X60 X60s X61 X61s X200 X200s X300 X301 Z60m Z61t Z61p 560 560Z 600 600E 600X T21 T22 T23 T41 T60p T410 T420 T520 W500 W520 R50 A21p A22p A31 A31p
NOTE: All links to PC-Doctor software hosted by me are dead. Files removed 8/28/12 by manufacturer's demand.

bobgarty
Freshman Member
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:21 am
Location: Herts,UK

#9 Post by bobgarty » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:58 am

Choice of a filesystem is really a trade off between functionality and performance.
NTFS has some great features like flexible security, file compression, auditing, better reliability and performance on large partitions than other filesystems like FAT/FAT32 - but these do come with a hit on performance. This is negligable on newer hardware, but having said that I have had a 755cx Pentium 1 75Mhz with 40mb Ram and a 1Gb hard drive running NT3.51 on an NTFS partition without noticing a huge performance loss over FAT.
The key is to ensure you do not utilse features such as Auditing and file compression, unless you really need to, and to ensure you select an appropriate cluster size and Analyse/defragment the partition on a regular basis (this is a lot easier since a defrag tool has been included with windows - was an expensive additional 3rd party application pre W2k). Discussions arround cluster size could go on all day - check out the numerous articles on the Web.
Personally I would choose NTFS over FAT everytime.
Bob
T23 1.2Ghz 512Mb, 40Gb, DVD/CDRW, 54Mb Wifi

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “ThinkPad Legacy Hardware”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests