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X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#1 Post by Edward Mendelson » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:03 pm

I can't find any clear answer to this question, and hope the experts here can help.

Is there any difference between the keyboards on the X1 Carbon Gen 9 and X13 Gen 2? The keyboard matters a lot to me, and if the X1 has a better one, I'll grit my teeth and pay extra for that machine. Otherwise, it seems that the X13 may be a better value.

Many thanks for any information.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:06 am

As seen in this comparison:
. . . . .X13Gen2 X1CarbonGen9
KB type: Island Island
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Backlight: Yes Yes
Key travel: 1.5 mm 1.5 mm
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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#3 Post by Edward Mendelson » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:05 am

Very useful - thank you. It seems that there's no obvious difference. I'll check some part numbers and see if anything interesting shows up...

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#4 Post by Edward Mendelson » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:15 am

Similarly configured, the X1 Carbon Gen 9 and X13 Gen 2 are very similarly priced, with the carbon maybe USD100-200 more. I saved both in the cart, and will buy one or the other. I haven't bought a ThinkPad for myself since the X270 four years ago (have bought for my wife, son, and daughter-in-law, but not me), so any advice would be welcome. Machine would be used mostly when traveling.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#5 Post by dr_st » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:32 am

There is one key difference: the X1 Carbon has a full-width keyboard, but the X13 has a narrow keyboard which has no dedicated Insert key (it is shared with End).
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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#6 Post by Edward Mendelson » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:34 am

dr_st wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:32 am
There is one key difference: the X1 Carbon has a full-width keyboard, but the X13 has a narrow keyboard which has no dedicated Insert key (it is shared with End).
That is VERY important, and I'll look more closely at the photos before buying. Thank you!

EDIT: And it looks as if the SSD is easy to upgrade.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#7 Post by crashnburn » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:34 am

Edward Mendelson wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:34 am
dr_st wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:32 am
There is one key difference: the X1 Carbon has a full-width keyboard, but the X13 has a narrow keyboard which has no dedicated Insert key (it is shared with End).
That is VERY important, and I'll look more closely at the photos before buying. Thank you!

EDIT: And it looks as if the SSD is easy to upgrade.
Which one did you finally choose and what config?

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#8 Post by Edward Mendelson » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:44 am

crashnburn wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:34 am
Which one did you finally choose and what config?

SSD Easier how?
Haven't ordered yet, but have saved carts in the hope that the price will be the same when I do order. Will almost certainly go with the X1. And I didn't mean that either one made it easier to replace the SSD - simply that the SSD is easy to replace in both, so there's no point in ordering a large SSD when I already have SSDs here that I can install.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#9 Post by Ibthink » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:26 am

dr_st wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:32 am
There is one key difference: the X1 Carbon has a full-width keyboard, but the X13 has a narrow keyboard which has no dedicated Insert key (it is shared with End).
The keyboard of the X1 Carbon G9 is sadly not quite full-width anymore, though it is still wider than the X13 G2 keyboard.
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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#10 Post by Edward Mendelson » Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:07 am

... and now I'm curious about what the Gen 10 will look like....

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#11 Post by Ibthink » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:37 am

It is very likely that X1 Carbon Gen 10 will be an incremental update based on the X1 Carbon Gen 9, as Lenovo typically uses the same design for two generations or more. Though of course, with Alder Lake, CPU performance should be improved a lot.

I would expect Lenovo to announce the new X1 Carbon at CES 2022.
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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 9 vs X13 Gen 2 keyboard?

#12 Post by dr_st » Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:13 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:26 am
The keyboard of the X1 Carbon G9 is sadly not quite full-width anymore, though it is still wider than the X13 G2 keyboard.
I could live with the slightly smaller keys, but the lack of dedicated Insert would be a deal-breaker. That is, if the 6-row reduced layout hadn't been one already. :lol:
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