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Re: Upcoming X1 [pics]

#31 Post by Bloody Nokia Adept » Tue May 10, 2011 12:57 pm

Folks, it seems like X1 image was leaked onto the official Lenovo site!

Can you please open this page? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/prof ... index.html What do you see? Its X1 in the car holder! You may see it unbiased in the background image at http://www.lenovo.com/images/products/p ... /x120e.jpg They think it's X120e, funny!

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#32 Post by erik » Tue May 10, 2011 1:14 pm

official photos have been out there since the "DO" campaign began.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/busin ... 9adco.html
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#33 Post by sanjuro » Wed May 11, 2011 1:04 pm

Bloody Nokia Adept wrote:Folks, it seems like X1 image was leaked onto the official Lenovo site!

Can you please open this page? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/prof ... index.html What do you see? Its X1 in the car holder! You may see it unbiased in the background image at http://www.lenovo.com/images/products/p ... /x120e.jpg They think it's X120e, funny!
With the display tilted back, the LCD looks vertically shorter than it really is.

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Re: Upcoming X1 [pics]

#34 Post by Colonel O'Neill » Wed May 11, 2011 4:12 pm

My first response to the X1 would be KILL IT WITH FIRE. :?
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#35 Post by sanjuro » Wed May 11, 2011 7:14 pm

Colonel O'Neill wrote:My first response to the X1 would be KILL IT WITH FIRE. :?
I wouldn't go that far. I will only take it if Lenovo offers it for free.

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#36 Post by uzs161 » Fri May 13, 2011 3:30 pm

Why can't Lenovo just make it REAL SIMPLE and just bring out a X302?

> 1600x900 IPS screen
> Core i5-2540M
> USB 3.0 ports
> HDMI port
> DVD-DL burner with an option for a BluRay burner
> CF reader with a SD adapter
> Keep it at 3lbs or less
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#37 Post by Colonel O'Neill » Fri May 13, 2011 3:46 pm

uzs161 wrote:Why can't Lenovo just make it REAL SIMPLE and just bring out a X302?

> 1600x900 IPS screen
> Core i5-2540M
> USB 3.0 ports
> HDMI port
> DVD-DL burner with an option for a BluRay burner
> CF reader with a SD adapter
> Keep it at 3lbs or less
Probably because it'd be super expensive, target a very small market, and bring no profit.
Don't think you'll see HDMI on a classic ThinkPad either, nor the space to cram in a CF reader. 3 lbs sounds like you'd be going around with twenty minutes of battery life too.
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#38 Post by ssd_thinkpad » Fri May 13, 2011 9:37 pm

HDMI is less than a handful USD in license costs, but still too expensive for lenovo. HDMI is the current standard. Displayport, DVI is - compared to the standard - rare.

Panasonic Toughbooks all have HDMI. They start at around 2.500 USD, though.

Lots of cheap ACERs also have HDMI. They start at around 350 USD.

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#39 Post by force » Fri May 13, 2011 9:42 pm

I feel it's a bit unfortunate that there will never be a 12" x301 class Thinkpad. That would be my ideal notebook but it would be cannibalizing the x200 series, unless, of course, it was the next one.

All I can wait for is to see what Lenovo does with the LV Sandy Bridge.

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#40 Post by miscthree » Sat May 14, 2011 12:57 am

force wrote:I feel it's a bit unfortunate that there will never be a 12" x301 class Thinkpad. That would be my ideal notebook but it would be cannibalizing the x200 series, unless, of course, it was the next one.

All I can wait for is to see what Lenovo does with the LV Sandy Bridge.
Doesn't 12" x301 = x201/s?
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#41 Post by sanjuro » Sat May 14, 2011 1:37 am

Wishing for x301 or x302 is asking for a non-existent model. One way this may happen may be through a small volume, premium notebook builder within Lenovo/Thinkpad like Alienware does for gamers for Dell.

It's unlikely that Lenovo will go for such an in-house, premium notebook builder even if there are enough diehard thinkpadders willing to fork over $1500 or more for a decently specced notebook.

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#42 Post by khtse » Mon May 16, 2011 6:18 pm

X1 is official now, and reviews are popping up.

Is Gorrila Glass necessary? I understand its usefulness on Touch- or Pen-input device... but why on a keyboard+mouse/trackpoint Thinkpad? Non-tablet Thinkpads have been fine without a reinforced glass on top of the monitor. I'd much rather have a matte display than the high gloss protective glass on my display...

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#43 Post by iwishiwasinwhistler » Mon May 16, 2011 6:24 pm

Wow, this is wider than my QXGA 15" T60p!

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#44 Post by sanjuro » Mon May 16, 2011 7:18 pm

iwishiwasinwhistler wrote:Wow, this is wider than my QXGA 15" T60p!
Here is a comparison of Notebook dimensions:
Thinkpad X1:13.26 (L) x 9.1 (W) x 0.65-0.84 (H) inches (16:9)
Thinkpad X301: 12.4 x 9.1 x 0.73 - 0.92 inches (16:10)
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#46 Post by pianowizard » Mon May 16, 2011 10:00 pm

Heavy, low resolution, short battery life. Not interested.
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#47 Post by sanjuro » Tue May 17, 2011 1:42 am

It's a funny selection of features, moving away from the traditional thinkpad paradigm.

-No LV or ULV option on CPU; short battery life
-no IPS, no 16:10, no matte
-non-IBM selectric keyboard but now illuminated

Not clear if it a business computer or a consumer machine. Is it a real thinkpad, an ideadpad derivative or an Apple macbook air wannabe?

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#48 Post by dr_st » Tue May 17, 2011 2:19 am

Indeed. No IPS (at least not confirmed), no high resolution, crappy 6-row keyboard, glossy screen.

Conclusion: useless piece of "glamour" junk. :(

Or to be less blunt - an evolution of the X1**e series - a crossbreed of business and consumer machines.
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#49 Post by ssd_thinkpad » Tue May 17, 2011 6:08 am

- as heavy as the 15,6 inch panasonic toughbook b10 with small battery
- average battery life
- large bezel
- display is very reflective

A TN panel can have a good quality as you can see with apples notebooks. Apples displays do not mirror as much as other mirror displays. The x300 had:

- bad battery life
- much worse display, not reflective but horrible
- much lighter
- the same large bezel

That's why the x1 is the right successor to the x300.

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#50 Post by pianowizard » Tue May 17, 2011 8:06 am

ssd_thinkpad wrote:The x300 had:

- bad battery life
- much worse display, not reflective but horrible
- much lighter
- the same large bezel

That's why the x1 is the right successor to the x300.
The X300/301 had an internal optical drive and a more reasonable resolution, 1440x900. The X1 is a downgrade from the X30*.

It seems to me that these days, most laptop manufacturers rely mainly on needless gimmicks to market their products like thinness (which is far less important than weight or footprint size IMO) or Gorrila glass or 3D. Why not focus more on real improvements, like screens with higher quality and resolution, longer battery life, smaller footprint (by reducing bezel size), lighter weight, etc. I understand that some users do want or even need Gorrila glass or 3D; I am just saying these manufacturers shouldn't neglect the "real improvements" listed above.
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#51 Post by Vempele » Tue May 17, 2011 8:51 am

AnandTech wrote:Before the end of summer we will be seeing i7 quad-core CPUs inside the X1's chassis
X20xt/X20xs: horrible CPU, decent/half-decent screen.
X20x: half-decent CPU, horrible screen (decent if you swap it yourself).
X220: half-decent CPU, half-decent screen.
X30x: horrible CPU, half-decent screen, optical drive.
X1: horrible screen (half-decent if it turns out to be IPS), decent CPU eventually.
T4x0: like a bigger X220 + optical drive + optional discrete graphics, and a half-decent screen in a different way.
T/W520: too big and heavy, otherwise nearly perfect.

I guess it's not a bad thing to have yet another tradeoff to choose from, but couldn't they for once just make a laptop that's both powerful and nice to use?

(Vaio Z: the screen is probably great once you fine-tune the font size, but the keyboard is beyond horrible. MBP: insufficient cooling).

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#52 Post by Brad » Tue May 17, 2011 11:29 am

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#53 Post by sanjuro » Wed May 18, 2011 12:13 am

Vempele wrote: couldn't they for once just make a laptop that's both powerful and nice to use?
A thinkpad that is both powerful and nice to use. What a concept!

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#54 Post by sanjuro » Thu May 19, 2011 12:33 am

Engadget finds that X1 doesn't exactly pass spill test:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/thin ... oof-video/
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#55 Post by Colonel O'Neill » Thu May 19, 2011 12:59 am

Pretty sure tipping it over to pour out the water did the trick; they're not supposed to be tilted to drain the water. People need to learn how the drainage system works. :evil:
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#56 Post by Q-Ball » Sun May 22, 2011 3:01 am

It's still just... not a "business-class" notebook as far as ThinkPads go.


The things that break it for me are:

-Not metal hinges (as far as I can tell)
Granted, the old 600E that I've got doesn't have metal hinges either but it's still reassuring to see them there.

-Glossy screen finish
So you're not using it outdoors. It might be hard to destroy but who jams their fingers into the screen in the first place?

-Keyboard choice
Yes, it's backlit, but it's a deserted Island keyboard. Also, why's the Print Screen button on the bottom?
(ThinkLight's still more useful since it lights up the area surrounding the keyboard too- and not being able to see the keys isn't all that much of an issue if you're touch typing, and if you need to see a key you just move that finger.)

-No DVD drive
Is it really that hard? The X30x series had this, and if they offered the X302/320 I'd forgo the X220 for solely that reason.

It's not a big deal to me that they're not offering IPS but it is, IMHO, something that should be offered in a laptop of this price.


But what kills it for me is the existence of the T420s. That's almost as thin and almost as light. It's got a better screen, a real keyboard, and a DVD drive (replaceable for more battery life). It's also cheaper for the same amount of power and the same price gets you more power (an NVS 4200M or an SSD will budget in to that). It will also last you until the technology inside is useless (unlike the X1 which has a non-replaceable battery).


Funny how the old X30x killer does the same to the X1.
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#57 Post by hunterman223 » Sun May 22, 2011 4:18 am

Watched the demo on lenovo's site and yes the keyboard is spillproof.

I just convinced myself that the changes to the new *20 series were for the better, but with each release they all seem less ThinkPad-ish. But the X1, this seems like someone messed up big time and labelled an ideapad as a ThinkPad.

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#58 Post by pianowizard » Sun May 22, 2011 6:36 am

Q-Ball wrote:(ThinkLight's still more useful since it lights up the area surrounding the keyboard too-
Exactly! Many people's favorite Thinkpad feature is the Trackpoint, but my favorite is the Thinklight. I touch-type and don't need to see the keys to type, but the Thinklight is useful as a flashlight when I am working in the dark. If Lenovo replaces the Thinklight with backlit keyboards for all Thinkpads, I am 99% sure I will never buy a Thinkpad ever again.
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#59 Post by hunterman223 » Sun May 22, 2011 7:22 am

pianowizard wrote:Exactly! Many people's favorite Thinkpad feature is the Trackpoint, but my favorite is the Thinklight. I touch-type and don't need to see the keys to type, but the Thinklight is useful as a flashlight when I am working in the dark. If Lenovo replaces the Thinklight with backlit keyboards for all Thinkpads, I am 99% sure I will never buy a Thinkpad ever again.
Same here. I love to be able to see my fingers as I type, and in a dark room with the screen on low brightness the ThinkLight allows you to read papers and what not. I hope the X1 doesn't start a trend with the rest of the ThinkPad line.
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#60 Post by visionviper » Sun May 22, 2011 1:02 pm

pianowizard wrote:Heavy, low resolution, short battery life. Not interested.
What made the X300/X301 so awesome was that they crammed an optical drive (or an extra battery) into a very small package and kept it in the very low 3lbs range. The X1 is only .2lbs lighter than a T420s which has all those extra things that the X1 is missing. I bet if you removed the optical drive and put in a mSATA SSD it would probably weigh very close to an X1.

I have to say, I am disappointed in Lenovo's decisions surrounding the X1. Instead of making an X30x successor they made an X30x downgrade.
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