Ultrabay compatibility

T430/T440 and T530/540 series specific matters only
Post Reply
Message
Author
Lockheed
Sophomore Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 am
Location: France (most of the time)

Ultrabay compatibility

#1 Post by Lockheed » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:25 am

Is HDD Ultrabay from R61 going to be compatible with T430/T530?
T420s - i7, 16GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO + 1TB Hitachi 9.5mm, Nvidia, Oleh Bios.
W500 - C2D P9500, 8GB RAM, Samsung 830 SSD + 750GB Hitachi HDD, Intel+ATI GPU, bright WUXGA, FP-reader
Arch Linux, BTRFS+ZFS on LUKS

jayton4
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 618
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:00 am
Location: United States

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#2 Post by jayton4 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:50 pm

It would never be possible. r61 is IDE and T430/T530 is SATA.

Source:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid= ... 1+ultrabay
jayton4
Current models/upgrades:
T410 2518X01- 8GB, Corsair Force GT 120GB
T410s 2901A3U- 8GB, Intel 6300 WiFi, Crucial m4 mSATA 256GB SSD w/ microSATA adapter
T420s 4174PPU- 16GB, Intel 520-series 7mm 180GB SSD, Crucial M550 512GB mSATA SSD, Intel 6300 WiFi
and a few classics in storage

Lockheed
Sophomore Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 am
Location: France (most of the time)

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#3 Post by Lockheed » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 am

You are mistaken. R61 is SATA, too.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290725302841? ... 1423.l2649
T420s - i7, 16GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO + 1TB Hitachi 9.5mm, Nvidia, Oleh Bios.
W500 - C2D P9500, 8GB RAM, Samsung 830 SSD + 750GB Hitachi HDD, Intel+ATI GPU, bright WUXGA, FP-reader
Arch Linux, BTRFS+ZFS on LUKS

Cigarguy
ThinkPadder
ThinkPadder
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:08 pm
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#4 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:50 am

Actually he is not mistaken. The adapter you linked to is a PATA/IDE interface to SATA adater. This is like a T61. T400 onwards are SATA interface to SATA drive. Again where the adapter hooks up to the computer is PATA on a R61/T61 whereas newer machines are SATA interface.

This is what is stated on the link you poseted:

Item number

290725302841
Brand Generic, Unbranded
Height/Thickness 12.7 mm
Interface SATA to PATA/IDE

Lockheed
Sophomore Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 am
Location: France (most of the time)

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#5 Post by Lockheed » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:53 am

But Ultrabay in R61 is described as using SATA II connection.
T420s - i7, 16GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO + 1TB Hitachi 9.5mm, Nvidia, Oleh Bios.
W500 - C2D P9500, 8GB RAM, Samsung 830 SSD + 750GB Hitachi HDD, Intel+ATI GPU, bright WUXGA, FP-reader
Arch Linux, BTRFS+ZFS on LUKS

ajkula66
SuperUserGeorge
SuperUserGeorge
Posts: 15736
Joined: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:28 am
Location: Brodheadsville, Pennsylvania

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#6 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:05 pm

Lockheed wrote:But Ultrabay in R61 is described as using SATA II connection.
Wrong.

Prior to *00 series, all ThinkPads had PATA connection in the UltraBay.

Starting with T400/500, R400/500 and W500, this has changed to a physical SATA connection.

That's why you'll find UltraBay adapters for *00 and later series being different (a pin in the middle of adapter on the side going into the laptop) from earlier ones usable in T4x/R5x and R6x/T6x/Z6x...
...Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules...(King Crimson)

Cheers,

George (your grouchy retired FlexView farmer)

AARP club members:A31p, T43pSF

Abused daily: R61

PMs requesting personal tech support will be ignored.

Lockheed
Sophomore Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 am
Location: France (most of the time)

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#7 Post by Lockheed » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:43 pm

What I mean is that physical connection might be PATA, but electically and speed-wise, it is in SATA II standard without negative impact on performance of SATAII HDDs placed into it.
At least that's what I read on various forums.
T420s - i7, 16GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO + 1TB Hitachi 9.5mm, Nvidia, Oleh Bios.
W500 - C2D P9500, 8GB RAM, Samsung 830 SSD + 750GB Hitachi HDD, Intel+ATI GPU, bright WUXGA, FP-reader
Arch Linux, BTRFS+ZFS on LUKS

Cigarguy
ThinkPadder
ThinkPadder
Posts: 1435
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:08 pm
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#8 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:51 pm

If it is the same connection as the T61, which I think it is, then no a SATA HDD in the Ultrabay is nowhere near SATA II speed. For me it got nowhere near saturating SATA I. On benchmarks (ATTO) of the same 7200 rpm HDD I was hitting 75ish MB/s in the main bay while only getting 15-20ish MB/s in the Ultrabay. It's no competition with a SSD. After Middleton BIOS flash I was hitting 185ish MB/s in the main bay while still the anemic 20ish MB/s in the Ultrabay.

Also AFAIK, like a T61, don't you have to flash Middleton BIOS to get SATA II speed in a R61? If so you'll only get SATA II speed on the main SATA line not on the PATA line (which is what is connected to the Ultrabay).

Only way to know for certain is to benchmark yourself. And as stated above, T430/T530 Ultrabay adapter won't physically fit the R61.

ajkula66
SuperUserGeorge
SuperUserGeorge
Posts: 15736
Joined: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:28 am
Location: Brodheadsville, Pennsylvania

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#9 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:24 pm

Lockheed wrote:What I mean is that physical connection might be PATA, but electically and speed-wise, it is in SATA II standard without negative impact on performance of SATAII HDDs placed into it.
At least that's what I read on various forums.
You do understand that what you wrote above makes absolutely no sense, right?

There is absolutely, positively NO way to pull SATA II speeds through a PATA connection... :roll:
...Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules...(King Crimson)

Cheers,

George (your grouchy retired FlexView farmer)

AARP club members:A31p, T43pSF

Abused daily: R61

PMs requesting personal tech support will be ignored.

Lockheed
Sophomore Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:16 am
Location: France (most of the time)

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#10 Post by Lockheed » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:25 am

Cigarguy wrote:If it is the same connection as the T61, which I think it is, then no a SATA HDD in the Ultrabay is nowhere near SATA II speed. For me it got nowhere near saturating SATA I. On benchmarks (ATTO) of the same 7200 rpm HDD I was hitting 75ish MB/s in the main bay while only getting 15-20ish MB/s in the Ultrabay. It's no competition with a SSD. After Middleton BIOS flash I was hitting 185ish MB/s in the main bay while still the anemic 20ish MB/s in the Ultrabay.

Also AFAIK, like a T61, don't you have to flash Middleton BIOS to get SATA II speed in a R61? If so you'll only get SATA II speed on the main SATA line not on the PATA line (which is what is connected to the Ultrabay).

Only way to know for certain is to benchmark yourself. And as stated above, T430/T530 Ultrabay adapter won't physically fit the R61.
That's a bummer. I used to be convinced by my findings that HDD performance is equal in and outside of ultrabay.

Anyways, your benchmark seems a bit low. I just found a post by a guy who was getting SATA I speeds out of Ultrabay HDD in T61 (here: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=106731 ).
Perhaps there is a firmware bug, as described here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/ ... reads.html
T420s - i7, 16GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO + 1TB Hitachi 9.5mm, Nvidia, Oleh Bios.
W500 - C2D P9500, 8GB RAM, Samsung 830 SSD + 750GB Hitachi HDD, Intel+ATI GPU, bright WUXGA, FP-reader
Arch Linux, BTRFS+ZFS on LUKS

Bánh mì
Sophomore Member
Posts: 239
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:38 pm
Location: Westminster, California

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#11 Post by Bánh mì » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:40 pm

Lockheed wrote:What I mean is that physical connection might be PATA, but electically and speed-wise, it is in SATA II standard without negative impact on performance of SATAII HDDs placed into it.
At least that's what I read on various forums.
This is a false and misleading statement. The BIOS does not operate at SATA2 speeds as Lenovo purposely hacked it to slow it down.
Có một ngày tuyệt vời!

Bánh mì
Sophomore Member
Posts: 239
Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:38 pm
Location: Westminster, California

Re: Ultrabay compatibility

#12 Post by Bánh mì » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:41 pm

Starting with T400/500, R400/500 and W500, this has changed to a physical SATA connection.

That's why you'll find UltraBay adapters for *00 and later series being different (a pin in the middle of adapter on the side going into the laptop) from earlier ones usable in T4x/R5x and R6x/T6x/Z6x...[/quote]
How about the X201? Aight.
Có một ngày tuyệt vời!

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “ThinkPad T430/T530 and later Series”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests