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I was using a small tablet with keyboard for two weeks and so using the touch screen regularly. I just received my new T460s with the non-touch screen and it took a day to get used to not touching the screen. I think I'm cured.

I like the matte finish and the lower power usage (I assume) of the non-touch screen. I do find it not as bright as expected.

Referring to the 1920x1080 screen in both cases:

Could anyone compare the touch screen to the non-touch screen?
Is the touch screen glossy?
If so, does it reflect much? (I absolutely appreciate the non-reflective nature of the matte screen.)
If you have seen both, is the touch screen brighter?

Thanks, I have been using the excellent X220 IDS screen for years, so can probably live without the touch screen.

kpevav wrote:Is the touch screen glossy?

Most touch screens produce reflections due to the glass in the touch surface, regardless of whether the LCD is matte or glossy underneath.

The Touchscreen on the T460s is matte. There is no overlay glass.

Keep in mind that if the touchscreen is matte, it can cause a slight milkiness/graininess when looking at the display.

brchan wrote:Keep in mind that if the touchscreen is matte, it can cause a slight milkiness/graininess when looking at the display.

Not on the T460s though. As mentioned before, no overlay glass, so the quality will be exactly the same as the non-Touch FHD screen:
https://youtu.be/dq3MfvZVNMU?t=7m21s

There are many ways to make a display look awful these days and Lenovo is known to use the cheapest available displays even in expensive models because cutting costs matters. The only reliable way is to check real one in a Lenovo show room.

All X1 Carbon touch screens were horrible using additional matte layer causing screen door effect. If Lenovo was able to sell such crappy component in the most expensive model there is no trust anymore they will not do that again.

Puppy wrote:There are many ways to make a display look awful these days and Lenovo is known to use the cheapest available displays even in expensive models because cutting costs matters.

Cutting costs is important because if they didn't, most would complain it's too expensive. Interestingly, the second rated notebook, after the HP ZBook with the DreamColor, is an inexpensive Lenovo Miix.

kpevav wrote:I like the matte finish and the lower power usage (I assume) of the non-touch screen. I do find it not as bright as expected.

Non-touch laptops are a bit lighter as well, typically by 0.2 to 0.4 lbs.

kpevav wrote:I was using a small tablet with keyboard for two weeks and so using the touch screen regularly. I just received my new T460s with the non-touch screen and it took a day to get used to not touching the screen. I think I'm cured.

Touchscreens have become a very important part of my computer use. Even my main desktop has a 27" 2560x1440 touchscreen monitor, the Acer T272HUL in my signature, and when I use my Sony Pro 13 laptop, I do use its touchscreen a lot. Touching is often faster than all other input methods, but more importantly, it helps me avoid repetitive stress injury caused by clicking the mouse or typing keyboard shortcuts too often.

ZaZ wrote:Interestingly, the second rated notebook, after the HP ZBook with the DreamColor, is an inexpensive Lenovo Miix.

That's not an inexpensive notebook, but an expensive detachable 2-in-1 like the Surface Pro 4. It's hardly surprising that a premium detachable PC has a great screen.

In fact, I don't think it should have been included in that list in the first place because it's not a laptop. Lenovo's website sells it under the "Tablets" category, not "Laptops".

Puppy wrote:All X1 Carbon touch screens were horrible using additional matte layer causing screen door effect.

I saw one of those in a store, a 2nd-gen X1 Carbon. Normally I like to play with new Thinkpad models that I have never seen, but that one's touchscreen looked so disgusting that I walked right past it. I am not crazy about glossy touchscreens, but much prefer them over that X1 Carbon's matte touchscreen.

I still am wondering about the 1920x1080 touchscreen on the T460s. Has anyone actually seen one? Lenovo tells me it looks exactly like the non-touchscreen.

kpevav wrote:I still am wondering about the 1920x1080 touchscreen on the T460s. Has anyone actually seen one? Lenovo tells me it looks exactly like the non-touchscreen.

It is, watch this, they show off the touchscreen: https://youtu.be/dq3MfvZVNMU?t=7m21s

As already mentioned, there is no glass. The Touchscreen is just like a normal matte screen.

As already mentioned, there is no glass. The Touchscreen is just like a normal matte screen.

Thanks, it does look the same from the short video coverage of it.