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Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#1 Post by Whitieiii » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:42 am

So windows 10 pro randomly updated even with all my attempts to block windows from updating because "Microsoft wants your computer to be updated" and forced an update because it has not been updated for maybe over 6 months (don't always update right away do to bad things that may happen) but now the machine might be bricked... Won't start up just shows a black screen and nothing on it... Can't access bios.. nothing at all no Lenovo logo no windows logo nothing but a black screen... Has anyone experienced this? I've been having unusually high CPU and ram usage for quite a while before it just randomly updated everything was just pegged except for the CPU which was only using 15%... I run windows 10 on this computer since there is software i use that are only available in the Microsoft store for windows 10 so can't run windows 7 but has anyone seen this problem and are there any fixes? let me know...
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My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:33 am

Remove all power, HD/SSD/CD drives and RAM.
Attach only AC, try to boot.
Does it beep 1-3-3-1?
If not, get another mobo.

If yes, insert only 1 RAM, try again, try both slots. Also try the other module.
Any luck?

Using some obscure "only W10-capable" software should be a big NONO.
I'm sure there is an alternative somewhere that runs under W7 or Linux
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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#3 Post by Whitieiii » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:22 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Remove all power, HD/SSD/CD drives and RAM.
Attach only AC, try to boot.
Does it beep 1-3-3-1?
If not, get another mobo.

If yes, insert only 1 RAM, try again, try both slots. Also try the other module.
Any luck?

Using some obscure "only W10-capable" software should be a big NONO.
I'm sure there is an alternative somewhere that runs under W7 or Linux
Removed just the hdd still shows black screen... removing one ram then the other shows black screen... Removing both ram sticks gives the 1-3-3-1 beep code.. the only other thing I can think of is the CPU because i can't think of both ram sticks dieing at the same time... but i dont have a battery for this laptop so can't test on battery...
My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#4 Post by Whitieiii » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:37 pm

Ok the CPU might have died as the i5-4300M works and brings up the Lenovo logo... I might at this point just get rid of this machine and pick up a T460p... I'm not ready to spend another about $200 on this computer
My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#5 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:57 am

Ok figured it out... The cpu didn't die... I forgot that with the "new" i7-4702MQ it doesn't show the startup logo so you can't get into bios and that triggered window update to do some weird stuff and just hang in definitely so had to pop the old cpu back in (i5-4300m) and repaired startup since startup was corrupted then let windows update finish and poped the new cpu back in and it works just perfect now...

I'll have to do that every time I'm updating windows.. rip

On another note I'm thinking i might sell this computer pretty soon.. it's complete but just needs a battery and charger...
My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#6 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:53 am

I have a T440p with the very same i7-4702MQ CPU.
Upon boot, it always shows the Thinkpad logo with some text like: "To interrupt startup, press Enter".
When I press F1 it goes straight into BIOS.
I'd be surprised if yours doesn't.

Hover your finger over F1, then boot and immediately press F1, should boot into BIOS.
Dumping the T440p for a T460p might prove to be very expensive!

BTW: my machine runs W7-Pro/SP1 64-bit and I never update Windows.
And I haven't had any problems either.
Soon I'll upgrade it to Linux, and then: Bye Bye Micro$haft!

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#7 Post by Whitieiii » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:19 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:53 am
I have a T440p with the very same i7-4702MQ CPU.
Upon boot, it always shows the Thinkpad logo with some text like: "To interrupt startup, press Enter".
When I press F1 it goes straight into BIOS.
I'd be surprised if yours doesn't.

Hover your finger over F1, then boot and immediately press F1, should boot into BIOS.
Dumping the T440p for a T460p might prove to be very expensive!

BTW: my machine runs W7-Pro/SP1 64-bit and I never update Windows.
And I haven't had any problems either.
Soon I'll upgrade it to Linux, and then: Bye Bye Micro$haft!
yup no thinkpad logo and can not get into the bios with the 4702QM but the laptop works just fine... as for buying a T460p, i'm going to buy a machine for parts and repair it myself.. I want a fully loaded model with the i7 16GB ram WWAN card GTX 940MX graphics and 1TB SSHD.. I was going to dual drive the T460p but there is no Ultra bay so I can only have one drive in this machine and 1TB SSD is too expencive for me at this time (500GB SSD is cheap enough now but too small of size)
My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#8 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:28 am

I'd still suggest to buy another quadro CPU.
You can get i7-4702MQ for ~$75 on eBay

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#9 Post by farmall » Thu May 30, 2019 5:30 pm

If you need Windows you don't necessarily need it on bare metal. I prefer to confine it to virtual machines which never connect to the internet and run Linux hosts. I like being able to boot to any snapshot including a new clean install at will. I like never having to update Windows unless it serves my wishes and being able to revert to a previous snapshot if an update borks something.

Virtualbox is free and very easy to use.

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Re: Did my T440p died? Help me diagnose it

#10 Post by Whitieiii » Fri May 31, 2019 3:48 pm

farmall wrote:If you need Windows you don't necessarily need it on bare metal. I prefer to confine it to virtual machines which never connect to the internet and run Linux hosts. I like being able to boot to any snapshot including a new clean install at will. I like never having to update Windows unless it serves my wishes and being able to revert to a previous snapshot if an update borks something.

Virtualbox is free and very easy to use.
I did try that but performance for my applications and games was horrible unfortunately I'm stuck running Windows 10 pro if I like it or not... I needed full access to Ram CPU and GPU and just that little bit used by mint was enough to be horrible... my games are resource hogs... it's the only machine I run Windows on as all my other machines run Linux mint xfce or Mac os

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My Collection:
A30 Pentium 3 512MB ram 60GB HDD Win 98SE
HP 8460p 2nd gen i7 8GB ram 500GB HDD Radeon 6470m Win 7
T440s 4th gen i5 8GB ram 300GB SSD Win 10
T440p 4th gen i7 12GB ram GT 730m 500GB HDD Win 10
TP Yoga S1 12" 4th gen i5 8GB ram 120GB SSD Win 10

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