X230T still low res only

[bwsb]

I love my X61 Tablet with its SXGA+ screen. It's such a perfect all-purpose laptop, and you can actually surf the web and do software development and alike on it, with its builtin screen.

The newer X-series tablets got Displayport and faster chips. Maybe look a bit.

But what about the usability? I'm with you that for lowres purposes such as hospital software or Skype, it's fine, but what about the stuff to really make use of this powerhouse of processing?

I hope Lenovo will *finally* start making an allround convertible laptop again soon.

(This is a public statement of sorrow for my side, as I was waiting and hoping for three years that they'd finally make a laptop perfect in this respect and for all my purposes.)


* If anyone has an email address to anyone at Lenovo where I can send this feedback directly, please let me know. *


In the meantime there are some compensations that could be reached: the new iPad with its QXGA screen, ought to be moddable to an external display, with a Displayport cable, and with builtin battery. I know a person who personally has the competence and ability to make such a mod, it's only a question of motivating him to do it.

This would solve the most immediate requirements for usability, even if not in a way as elegant as if the laptop itself would actually go highres.

I hope and trust Apple's moves toward resolutions more worthy of our times, with their release of the MacBook Pro 15" with a 2800x1800 resolution, will pull the entire laptop market with it. I understand (older?) Windows versions did not scale well with increasing resolutions, but this should in no way undermine the presence of a market for those who appreciate and use setups that require these resolutions.

[ZaZ]

with their release of the MacBook Pro 15" with a 2800x1800 resolution, will pull the entire laptop market with it.

That seems very unlikely since the MBP Retina costs four times what the average Windows notebook does. I don't care about having 2880x1800 resolution and I along with very few others can read it at its native resolution anyway. I like my HD X220i. The IPS looks good, it's easy to read and zoom around the screen with the stick. That's where I wish PC makers would focus, giving us better screens.

[yak]

That seems very unlikely since the MBP Retina costs four times what the average Windows notebook does.

It's the only notebook with such a resolution and it's a premium product that has just been released, it's bound to be expensive. Apple calls it a next-gen MBP which clearly suggests that it's where they're heading with their notebook lineup. I'm confident that we'll see more affordable MacBooks with high-res displays in the future. Are Windows notebook manufacturers going to ignore that? I don't think so.

I don't care about having 2880x1800 resolution and I along with very few others can read it at its native resolution anyway.

MacOS lets you choose from several zoom-factors. It's not a simple up-scaling because for example text (and other vector-graphics I presume) are always rendered using all available pixels, jut bigger. The ability to make things look bigger will most likely improve in time so you will always be able to have a HD-like image. But people who do want (need) to fit more stuff on their screens will finally be able to.

I like my HD X220i. The IPS looks good, it's easy to read and zoom around the screen with the stick. That's where I wish PC makers would focus, giving us better screens.

Of course, high-res alone doesn't make for a good panel. I wish the PC makers would focus on both fronts. By the way, the new MBP is IPS.

[bwsb]

] That seems very unlikely since the MBP Retina costs four times what the average Windows notebook does. I don't care about having 2880x1800 resolution and I along with very few others can read it at its native resolution anyway. I like my HD X220i. The IPS looks good, it's easy to read and zoom around the screen with the stick. That's where I wish PC makers would focus, giving us better screens.

Some things require high resolutions. Working with sourcecode in software development is a very good example, the more code you see at one and the same moment, the faster your intuition is in understanding the structures and doing your work with them.

Another example ought to be financial info.

And, I find surfing the web benefits *alot* of higher resolutions, same thing there, you scan documents faster when you see all of it at once.

Probably just reading ordinary books is faster on higher-res screens to, since the characters have clearer shapes.


] I'm confident that we'll see more affordable MacBooks with high-res displays in the future. Are Windows notebook manufacturers going to ignore that? I don't think so.

Yes, I trust this is the way also, unless the entire PC market would want to remain on a second class seat in terms of technology.

(Until this laptop was released, the PC:s (with IBM/Lenovo generally in the forefront) have to my perception always been technically superior by 10-30%, but right now they're not, the 15" MacBook Pro has great specs in all respects and weights 2.02Kg, to compare with an X-series tablet that's ~1.76Kg when it has a decent battery, this difference is really worth it to get a machine that really delivers. The MBP is a bit thinner. The only issue with the MBP from my particular viewpoint is that it's not convertible.)

I wonder what the issue Lenovo and other PC manufacturers have had the last ~2 years in offering this kind of resolutions, are there huge R&D costs and not such a big market, or what? I'd suppose there must be the market for at least one IPS display manufacturer to do this for the PC market, with good profitability.


Again if anyone has an email address to Lenovo for feedback, please let me know.

[loyukfai]

(Until this laptop was released, the PC:s (with IBM/Lenovo generally in the forefront) have to my perception always been technically superior by 10-30%, but right now they're not, the 15" MacBook Pro has great specs in all respects and weights 2.02Kg, to compare with an X-series tablet that's ~1.76Kg when it has a decent battery, this difference is really worth it to get a machine that really delivers. The MBP is a bit thinner. The only issue with the MBP from my particular viewpoint is that it's not convertible.)

This. While I do not want serviceability suffers too much for thickness and weight reduction. I do wonder and hope if Lenovo can shave off a few ounces and mm here and there of the X-series, Tablet or not.

The Tablet's screen in particular seems over-thick, I know it has to account for the digitizer, but it doesn't seem to be proportionate...?

Cheers.

[bwsb]

Ah, one more thing, a higher-res screen would supposedly be an optional feature. For me who needs this, price is not important, I could pay 'anything' for such a machine, so it's critical it's on the market, independent of price.

Those who don't want to pay that can get it secondhand after some month. And for those who're not interested, just go with the ordinary res. In all cases there's a value with this kind of options being around.

[ZaZ]

The average price of a Windows notebook is less than $600. Until that changes, it's not going to move the market anywhere, though there may be some higher end notebooks offering higher resolution LCDs like the UX32A or Z.

[QWERTY Andreas]

I think the new high res screen is a nice feature. BUT there so many things that are fundamentally wrong with the new MBP that does i wont buy it (the unchangeable hardware, and missing sturdiness.. and bad support from apple).
And for me, 1600x900 is enough. I dont need the 1900x1200 on my w500

[wolfman]

I think the new high res screen is a nice feature. BUT there so many things that are fundamentally wrong with the new MBP that does i wont buy it (the unchangeable hardware, and missing sturdiness.. and bad support from apple).

This is the clincher for me. The inability to make changes to the machine is a too high a price to pay.

[dr_st]

Most people don't ever change or feel the need to change the hardware in their laptops. Certainly, this is an enthusiast forum, and most folks here will feel differently.

Bad support is bad support. Whether from Apple or Lenovo - don't see why it matters.

[QWERTY Andreas]

Well.. I have very good experiences with lenovo support

But the fact that its impossible to change the hardware, is not about upgrading the RAM or such. IF one of the components goes down its impossible to replace and thereby repairing the laptop. That's the main problem.
And i guess it will cost quite a lot to get the MBP repaired, since they cant "just" swap the broken hardware with new hardware.

[bwsb]

The best of my experience with Lenovo, and i'd suppose with Apple too, is that you generally can resolve yourself which piece is broken, and then replace it yourself. Lenovo even has online videos showing you how to replace each individual piece.

The most expensive piece to replace would be I suppose the motherboard, though at least I never crashed one. It would be more about harddrive, fan, display module, chassis maybe, that kind of thing.

Probably Lenovo's warranty policy opens more for user replacements than Apple's, i think with the latter warranty is void always when doing that. Though they might not detect a replacement of course.


Apparently some organization said 220DPI screens were predicted to get to market on a wide scale this year, so let's hope there'll be an X240 Tablet out soon with one of those, in IPS.

[wolfman]

Most people don't ever change or feel the need to change the hardware in their laptops. Certainly, this is an enthusiast forum, and most folks here will feel differently.

Bad support is bad support. Whether from Apple or Lenovo - don't see why it matters.

Agreed, but a battery that is glued in is a problem. A $2199 laptop shouldn't require a $199 battery (a 54% increase over replacing the battery in the Macbook air). And I surely don't want to have to mail it in if I don't live near an Apple store.

But I digress, I agree with your comment, but being an enthusiast, I'm frustrated with why folks don't care about stuff like that.