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X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:52 pm
by TinkerMan
So, after a restart a perfectly working X230 refused to boot, it gave me the BOOTMGR missing error
fine I said, I booted from the disc, ran the repair option, all went well, restarted the darn thing, introduced the password and no joy, except for the mouse cursor which appears and I can move it on the screen, the rest of the screen stays black, no desktop is being loaded.
Tried safe mode, works fine, restart the machine in normal mode or, load last previous good version, or a number of other start options, and the same darn thing happenes, the mouse appears and nothing else, just safe mode starts it right.

win7 pro 64 bit

any ideas would be much appreciated.
thanks

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:11 pm
by TPFanatic
Seems like a Windows or storage device problem.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:45 am
by RealBlackStuff
You run that from main 2.5" bay or from WAN-slot?
Press F12 at boot, then select drive, does that work?

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:48 am
by TinkerMan
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:45 am
You run that from main 2.5" bay or from WAN-slot?
Press F12 at boot, then select drive, does that work?
I run the win 7 from the main 2.5" bay ssd, on the mSATA I have win 8.1 installed, that one starts fine.
Pressing F12 let's me choose where to boot from, but the end result its the same.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:55 am
by RealBlackStuff
Try reseating the HDD/SSD cable on both ends, or beg, steal or borrow such a cable from another x230/X240/X250
I have all three, and (those rather poorly constructed) cables are interchangeable.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:49 am
by TinkerMan
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:55 am
Try reseating the HDD/SSD cable on both ends, or beg, steal or borrow such a cable from another x230/X240/X250
I have all three, and (those rather poorly constructed) cables are interchangeable.
I don't understand, the safe mode works, what would the cable have to do with not starting win 7 in normal mode but would start in safe mode?
Im just asking, since lot to learn I still have

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:38 am
by RealBlackStuff
Safe mode loads less programs/drivers/etc. and may not need all contacts in a drive-connector.
(I'm only speculating here.)
Another solution: reinstall W7.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:14 am
by w0qj
As a fellow X230 user: sounds like a Windows problem.

1. Did you take out the 2.5" SSD into an USB external enclosure, and test it out on another computer to confirm that your 2.5" SSD works properly?

2. If above (1) is OK (ie: 2.5" SSD works fine), then agree with RBS that Reinstalling Windows 7 may be needed.

==>But with End of Life for Windows 7 looming less than 6 months away, are you sure that you wish to reinstall Windows 7?
Perhaps Windows 10 would be more suitable.

fyi, we successfully (and freely) upgraded our Windows 7 desktop to Windows 10 last month (July 2019).

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:45 pm
by TinkerMan
w0qj wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:14 am
As a fellow X230 user: sounds like a Windows problem.

1. Did you take out the 2.5" SSD into an USB external enclosure, and test it out on another computer to confirm that your 2.5" SSD works properly?

2. If above (1) is OK (ie: 2.5" SSD works fine), then agree with RBS that Reinstalling Windows 7 may be needed.

==>But with End of Life for Windows 7 looming less than 6 months away, are you sure that you wish to reinstall Windows 7?
Perhaps Windows 10 would be more suitable.

fyi, we successfully (and freely) upgraded our Windows 7 desktop to Windows 10 last month (July 2019).
I have a pure win 10 machine, a P1 fully loaded, to say that I hate win 10 (despite the top of the line system ) would be an understatement
I also have an X201 which has win 10 installed.
I really wish to hang on to win 7 on my beloved X230

so, how was your experience so far on x230 with win 10?

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:58 am
by dr_st
TinkerMan wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:45 pm
I have a pure win 10 machine, a P1 fully loaded, to say that I hate win 10 (despite the top of the line system ) would be an understatement
I also have an X201 which has win 10 installed.
I really wish to hang on to win 7 on my beloved X230
X230 is actually a good generation in terms of Windows version compatibility, as both Win7 and Win10 (and also 8.1 if you need it for some strange reason) will work on it with full driver support.

If you don't like Win10 for its GUI or some of the obnoxious behaviors, which is understandable, I see no reason not to stay with Win7. In terms of software support, Win7 has a whole lot of compatibility which will stay there for quite a few years. Nothing will happen when it goes 'end of life'. Software will still work, and it will be a while before new versions stop supporting it. Crucial security issues will still be patched if they are found (Microsoft has been patching those in XP even 5 years past its end-of-life), and less important security issues are, well, less important.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:38 am
by TinkerMan
Update, after attempting different things I gave up on the install and reinstalled win7.
I still don't know what caused the problem, but at least now the system works fine.

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:24 am
by w0qj
You may consider to take a disk image just after Product Recovery.

We use AOMEI OneKey Recovery, which closely mimics the previous ThinkPad Rescue & Recovery function.
And it's free ;)

Re: X230 killing me slowly, again

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:15 pm
by TinkerMan
w0qj wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:24 am
You may consider to take a disk image just after Product Recovery.

We use AOMEI OneKey Recovery, which closely mimics the previous ThinkPad Rescue & Recovery function.
And it's free ;)
by total coincidence I just did that an hour ago, I used rescue and recovery which I downloaded from the lenovo site, the x230 is one of the supported machines.