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Anyone here own an L440?

#1 Post by Omineca » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:30 pm

I have found some decent deals on these (under CAD $100). Does anyone have any experience upgrading the L440? It looks like cpu, ram, ssd, and screen upgrades are possible. But the forum is eerily silent.

I'm not worried about a lower line of ThinkPad. I've been using an R500 at home for the better part of nine years.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#2 Post by Tasurinchi » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:45 pm

I own few L's (A L530 and L450) and they're very nice machines. Kind of a "cost effective" T series without being so cheap like the Edge or E series.
Omineca wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:30 pm
I have found some decent deals on these (under CAD $100).
That seems a good price. The xx40 generation is the last line of ThinkPads where you can swap the CPU. It will also take a FHD screen ootb and generally speaking they're very easy to upgrade and mod.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#3 Post by Omineca » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:14 pm

Tasurinchi wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:45 pm
I own few L's (A L530 and L450) and they're very nice machines. Kind of a "cost effective" T series without being so cheap like the Edge or E series.

...

The xx40 generation is the last line of ThinkPads where you can swap the CPU. It will also take a FHD screen ootb and generally speaking they're very easy to upgrade and mod.
Thanks for the info. That confirms my suspicions. It sounds like the L-Series will suit me perfectly.
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Anyone here own an L440?

#4 Post by Omineca » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:02 pm

Well, my L440 is on the way!

An IPS LCD is going to be the first upgrade on the list.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#5 Post by Omineca » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:48 pm

...and it's going back again at the seller's expense.

It looked brand new. Not a scratch. Perfect. No evidence that it had ever been touched.

But it had a supervisor password and computrace enabled.

This is the second time I've had that happen on eBay. I should have asked, because it seems like it's standard practice for a lot of the off-lease sellers to bank on the purchaser not noticing.

Edit: while I'm commenting on it, the L-series build quality seemed really nice, and the L440 looked better in person than in the pics. Nice machine. I'm still going to try to find another one.

I also understand the 'clunkpad' designation better now. The trackpad has a much deeper and clunkier click action than the ones in the later series with the three buttons on top.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#6 Post by Tasurinchi » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:31 am

Omineca wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:48 pm
But it had a supervisor password and computrace enabled.
That's a pity... Good luck with the next purchase...
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#7 Post by Omineca » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:58 pm

Tasurinchi wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:31 am
Omineca wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:48 pm
But it had a supervisor password and computrace enabled.
That's a pity... Good luck with the next purchase...
Thanks. Giving it another try. This time the seller sent me pics of the BIOS pages.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#8 Post by w0qj » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:57 pm

A poster from another sub-forum had a good comparison/overview of the differences between the T-series, L-series, and the E-series,
and may we quote it here for your convenience:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 3&p=836523
theterminator93 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:36 pm
E series aren't really ThinkPads in my book - despite the product branding. They are a consumer market product that Lenovo released as the "Edge" series a number of years ago, as a product line under the L/SL series (the equivalent to the old R series). The L series is a pretty big step up in terms of quality over the E series, and the T series is yet another step up from the L series (although IMO the difference between E and L is much more apparent than L and T).

Essentially, E series = consumer product; L series = entry level business product; T series = mainstream business product.

When I took over a handful of client accounts I was having my teams buying E series (E550, E560, E570...) but we were seeing lots of "stupid" quality issues. E.g. video and video output issues on an entire series. So we've been deploying L and T series now - T/L480 and T/L490s so far mostly. Granted we haven't had as many out there for as long as the Es, but no such issues have cropped up so far.

The L series has a price break of usually a couple hundred bucks over a similarly configured T series. The E is usually another couple hundred less than the L. Considering my perceived quality steppings, the L series is a pretty good bang for the buck. I say skip E series and focus on L or T.

The el cheapo HD+ TN screens are just that... basic. If you spend a lot of time in front of it, you'll appreciate having the better screen - truly. If it was me and I could afford a T series but only with the basic screen option, or an L series with an IPS FHD... I'd get the L series.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#9 Post by Omineca » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:14 pm

w0qj wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:57 pm
A poster from another sub-forum had a good comparison/overview of the differences between the T-series, L-series, and the E-series,
and may we quote it here for your convenience:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 3&p=836523
theterminator93 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:36 pm
E series aren't really ThinkPads in my book - despite the product branding. They are a consumer market product that Lenovo released as the "Edge" series a number of years ago, as a product line under the L/SL series (the equivalent to the old R series). The L series is a pretty big step up in terms of quality over the E series, and the T series is yet another step up from the L series (although IMO the difference between E and L is much more apparent than L and T).

Essentially, E series = consumer product; L series = entry level business product; T series = mainstream business product.

When I took over a handful of client accounts I was having my teams buying E series (E550, E560, E570...) but we were seeing lots of "stupid" quality issues. E.g. video and video output issues on an entire series. So we've been deploying L and T series now - T/L480 and T/L490s so far mostly. Granted we haven't had as many out there for as long as the Es, but no such issues have cropped up so far.

The L series has a price break of usually a couple hundred bucks over a similarly configured T series. The E is usually another couple hundred less than the L. Considering my perceived quality steppings, the L series is a pretty good bang for the buck. I say skip E series and focus on L or T.

The el cheapo HD+ TN screens are just that... basic. If you spend a lot of time in front of it, you'll appreciate having the better screen - truly. If it was me and I could afford a T series but only with the basic screen option, or an L series with an IPS FHD... I'd get the L series.
Thanks! I have to agree on the T/L characterization.

I'm not sure about the E series, but I own an old X120e, and I suspect that the build quality of that machine is probably on par with the E models.

The housing of the X120e feels like it wouldn't stand up to the same level of impact as a T-series device, but it seems to be better built than most plastic-bodied consumer laptops. I've had mine since new (2011). It only saw a couple of years of active use and during that time, the screen cable wore through at the bend point and had to be replaced. I've never experienced that issue on any other ThinkPad. I suspect that's characteristic of the build quality of the low-end ThinkPad lines.
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Re: Anyone here own an L440?

#10 Post by Omineca » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:52 pm

Got a good L440. Ordered and received a 1080p IPS screen. It's an Innolux. Nice screen, but it has a dead pixel in the middle of it. Messaged the eBay seller to see if they'll exchange it. It seems like this entire process has to be painful.... Oh well.
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