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ArtShapiro · #1 Post by **ArtShapiro** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:00 pm

Today Microsoft released the initial preview of what will eventually be Windows 10, I couldn't resist installing it on one of my T60p machines, replacing a Windows 7 installation on the dual-boot laptop.

So far, it's running fine. I've installed Pale Moon, a pdf reader, some other softwares, and the Lenovo fingerprint software. The various drivers such as audio and wired / wireless networking seem to be working fine from the Windows image.

So initial experimentation looks good. I haven't yet tried to delve into its various idiosyncracies, of course; it is enough to know that there are no immediate show stoppers.

Art

Cigarguy · #2 Post by **Cigarguy** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:11 pm

Looking forward to Windows 10. Will not miss 8 and/or 8.1 at all.

I've said it before and I'll say it again every other addition of Windows is good.

ME - sucks
XP - good
Vista - sucks
7 - good
8 - sucks
10 - so far looks good

Good money making tactic by MS. As with Win Vista and Win 8, release a half [censored] product with poor driver support, let the consumer iron out the bugs, build up the hate. While all the time keep improving and upgrading at MS' leisure, then when the product is polished VIOLA Win 7 and Win 10 to save the day and more importantly FORCE the consumer to buy and buy again. The masses consume this stuff like crazy and Microsoft is once again saviour. All the while MS makes $$$ with each and every release. One of the benefit of a monopoly. They can do whatever they want.

http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+8x+Mar ... e36655.htm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8574/a-ne ... -microsoft

Dekks · #3 Post by **Dekks** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:24 pm

Cigarguy wrote: XP - good
Vista - sucks
7 - good

Interesting as win 7 = Vista SP3

Took 9 months to pull all reference to sp3 out of Win 7.

Cigarguy · #4 Post by **Cigarguy** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:59 am

I agree Vista with all the updates is very nearly identical to Win 7. Take Vista SP3, change a few things here and there, call it Win 7 and force everyone to pay MS for yet another licensing fee. That is the pattern. What choice have we? Not much.

dr_st · #5 Post by **dr_st** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:11 am

Cigarguy wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again every other addition of Windows is good.

And every time you say it, it will be just as wrong as every previous time.

Of course if you conveniently rearrange some facts, ignore other facts, rely on short-term and selective memory to remember things not as they were, you can almost convince someone that you are saying something smart here, while really it is just the same regurgitated nonsense that "sophisticated" bloggers / forumers on the internet have been spewing for months if not years, due to the natural tendency of the human brain to look for patterns everywhere, even when there are none.

Cigarguy wrote: ME - sucks
XP - good
Vista - sucks
7 - good
8 - sucks
10 - so far looks good

Let's see:

ME - sucks? What does ME have to do with it? The predecessor to XP was Windows 2000. ME was a different beast, part of a parallel development branch which terminated with ME. Shouldn't you compare XP to 2K? Well, if you do and try to say "2K - sucks" then people might disagree with you, which will throw your theory out the window. So let's conveniently sweep 2K under the rug, and compare XP to ME instead.

XP - Good? XP was terrible when it came out. Unstable, and dreadfully insecure. Of course you forgot all that because that was over a decade ago, and XP has been improved since. You also had to stay with XP, because there was no alternative for a long time, and by the time there was, XP was already quite good, so that's all you remember from it.

Vista - sucks? Are you talking about release day Vista or current day Vista? Release day, I bet. But you are not comparing it to release day XP for some reason, but rather to how XP was in its prime. Vista has been a better experience to use than XP has, for the past 6 years at least, but acknowledging that would also ruin the theory.

Cigarguy wrote:As with Win Vista and Win 8, release a half *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** product with poor driver support

Poor driver support with Win8? You are making that up. It was never a problem. Win8 was better than any previous version of Windows in picking up hardware off-the-bat. The only things that did not have drivers built-in or available by launch day are obscure vendor-specific interfaces, especially on laptops, which have nothing to do with Microsoft and probably aren't even coordinated with them (e.g., a lot of the Thinkvantage suite).

Cigarguy wrote:then when the product is polished VIOLA Win 7 and Win 10 to save the day and more importantly FORCE the consumer to buy and buy again.

Hey, now. Why are you lying? FORCE the consumer to buy? MS never forces anyone to buy. Microsoft's OSes do not suddenly stop working, nor do they suddenly force upgrades on you that cannot be uninstalled. They actually continue to actively support their OSes for ridiculously long periods of time. XP has been supported past 3 major releases! Some obscure flavors of it will continue be supported after Win10 and probably even the subsequent version is released!

Also you mentioned "consumer". It is a widely known fact that Microsoft don't care if consumers buy their OS at all. All their money is through organizations and OEM licensing to vendors. They know that a lot of end-users pirate their software and couldn't care less. Even on this respectable forum people have started routinely talking about pirating Windows by using SLIC table BIOS hacks and recovery disks for systems not licensed to use them, and no one seems to care.

Cigarguy wrote:I agree Vista with all the updates is very nearly identical to Win 7. Take Vista SP3, change a few things here and there, call it Win 7 and force everyone to pay MS for yet another licensing fee. That is the pattern. What choice have we? Not much.

I used to think that way, but then I learned more and found out that there are quite a few non-trivial kernel upgrades that have been made to Windows 7, compared to Vista. Nothing that is a deal-breaker though. Plus there are some nice user interface enhancements and a few useful features here and there. Some of them have been backported into Vista, some haven't.

They could probably all have been back-ported, and the kernel could be upgraded. But the Vista brand had to go, so they did away with it. They were, as they have always been, offering cheap upgrade licenses to Win7 for Vista license holders. But seeing as they don't care at all if you, as an end-user, pay them or not, it's a moot point anyways.

As to "what choice do we have", well, you can not buy. Despite your wrong claims, nobody is forcing you to do so. You can also move over to the free competition. We are not in the 90s now - the Linux flavors are much more user-friendly. You can also go to Apple, I heard they give their OS for free as well!

Microsoft is not the de-facto monopoly in the OS market as it used to be, and hasn't been for many years now. And even when it has been, it's been treating the end-users much better than most other corporations I can think of. But you are still stuck with the 90s image of Microsoft=Evil in your head, and allow it to cloud your judgment and prevent any unbiased analysis of the situation.

Not that I blame you - I was stuck in the same place for a while myself.

#6 Post by **Ibthink** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:53 am

I have Windows 10 running as my primary OS on my T440s right now - works pretty well for being such an early version, but I won´t judge Windows 10 until the final. With Microsofts new development style, I think its going to change so much with every new preview until the Final is here, its futile to judge such an early and incomplete version.

They real point of the Windows 10 announcement wasn´t the return of the start menu, it was the announcement of the new development style, which is purely driven by feedback from users. Its the first time a Windows is build this way and I am looking forward to the end result.

Very good article from the Verge on that topic: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/68809 ... o-business

Cigarguy wrote:Looking forward to Windows 10. Will not miss 8 and/or 8.1 at all.

I've said it before and I'll say it again every other addition of Windows is good.

ME - sucks
XP - good
Vista - sucks
7 - good
8 - sucks
10 - so far looks good

Well: Every time this list is posted somewhere, here or anywhere else, it always looks slightly different. This list is so useless, as it does nothing but showing which Windows version you personally liked best - its always pressing your subjective experinces into a scheme.

I could also make this list look like this:
- Windows 2000 - good
- Windows XP - bad
- Windows Vista - good
- Windows 7 - bad
- Windows 8.1 - good

And I could still say "that prooves it, every second Windows version is lame"

What I am saying is this: Using this list is pointless, as one can´t generalize his or her own experince.

Cigarguy · #7 Post by **Cigarguy** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:56 am

Is the personal attack really necessary? So your opinion and mine differ, is that OK? Do you really feel better by calling me a liar? Maybe, just maybe I am not lying, but expressing my opinion based on my experiences. Which obviously is different than yours, gosh I do hope that is OK? I am always open to being corrected if I am wrong or I'm ignorant but seldom will I ever change my opinion based on personal attacks.

I've purposely and vaguely used the terms "sucks" and "good" for a reason because that definition means different thing to different people. IMO, no OS is 100% worthless and no OS is 100% perfect. So yes XP and Win 7 had their flaws but I never ever said they were perfect, to be canonized and cannot be improved.

I don't consider companies and corporations to be good or evil. I just see polices made up by people. Because I disagree with a corporate policy do not mean that I see it as evil. I strongly disagree with Lenovo's policy when they switch from the classic to chiclet style keyboard. All the other changes to the Thinkpad I could tolerate but for me, the last straw was the keyboard change. But, unlike computer OS, for me HP and Dell offered better and more viable solutions. So in this respect I have a choice.

Oh true MS never ever force me to buy Windows (let's not discuss trying to get a machine without Windows preloaded). For me I do see a pattern, every other MS windows version is good (for me), especially after the first major upgrade (i.e. sp1). Fortunately for me, if I don't like a version of Windows, just wait for the next version. The things that bother me about Win 8 sounds like it will be corrected with Win 10. However, even then I reserve judgement until I have a go at it for a few months. As much as I would love to make Linux work, in the OS space and when buying a new machine this is not an option.

So based on this pattern I'm looking forward to Win 10 and then only after the first major update. That fits into my experiences, buying pattern and the way I see the world. I don't buy a new car during the first year that it's introduce because I'll give them some time to improve and work out the bugs. I do this for electronics and most anything else I buy. That is my opinion if you consider me to be ignorant or a liar because it is not your opinion then so be it.

Dekks · #8 Post by **Dekks** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:04 am

dr_st wrote:I used to think that way, but then I learned more and found out that there are quite a few non-trivial kernel upgrades that have been made to Windows 7, compared to Vista.

True, but that just proves that once MS had pulled the some of the hollywood friendly DRM code bloat [remember the glacial file copy speeds in vanilla Vista?] it ended up a reasonable release but the damage had been done.

#9 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:33 am

Which reminds me: what happened to Windows 9?

dr_st · #10 Post by **dr_st** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:45 am

Cigarguy wrote:Do you really feel better by calling me a liar? Maybe, just maybe I am not lying, but expressing my opinion based on my experiences.

So it's your experience that Microsoft forces consumers to upgrade? Because that's the only thing in your post that I called "a lie".

I don't see how something like this can be considered "an experience". It is either true or not. Which it isn't, as you've just admitted yourself.

However - I probably should not have accused you of lying, and I take that back. Because I am sure it was not a deliberate lie, but rather a statement issued very strongly without enough consideration. So, I apologize. The statement itself, though, about Microsoft making half-arsed releases deliberately so that it can force consumers to upgrade to the next version, is still completely false, and it is not something that can be written off as "opinion", I'm sorry.

"Getting a machine without Windows preloaded" is a different story. It has to do with the OEM licensing model, and that actually is how Microsoft makes money. But it's completely irrelevant to them releasing or not releasing new versions. If there had been no new versions of Windows at all in the past 10 years, you would still be forced to buy XP OEM licenses on each and every new laptop you buy. They don't make more money by releasing new installments of Windows. They make money by bundling whatever they happen to have with every new system.

Dekks wrote:True, but that just proves that once MS had pulled the some of the hollywood friendly DRM code bloat [remember the glacial file copy speeds in vanilla Vista?] it ended up a reasonable release but the damage had been done.

The copy speed issue was really due to the DRM code? I never followed that story to the bottom line. I remember people complaining about it at the beginning, but by the time I actually jumped on the Vista bandwagon it was a non-issue already, so I never dug deep.

RealBlackStuff wrote:Which reminds me: what happened to Windows 9?

Funny you should ask. Recently this rumour has been circulating:
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comm ... 10/ckwq83x

At first I thought it was a joke, but now I'm no longer 100% sure, because it turns out that in the Java world quite a few people really have been writing atrocious code such as what quoted in the story. My hair stood on end when I saw it (you can bring up quite a few examples via SearchCode.com).

So I don't know if there is any truth to this bizarre suggestion, but there just may be, seeing as there are no limits to human stupidity.

I thought at first that they just wish to follow the trend of commercial name = major version number + minor version number: 6.1 = Win7, 6.2 = Win8, and since 8.1 is 6.3, then the next one should be 6.4 = Win10...

Dekks · #11 Post by **Dekks** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:31 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:Which reminds me: what happened to Windows 9?

Its been skipped apparently due to Windows 10 being first version of windows being treated as a service per mary jo foley on ZDNet.

Or you can believe the VB code rumour

Dekks · #12 Post by **Dekks** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:42 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:Which reminds me: what happened to Windows 9?

Its been skipped apparently due to Windows 10 being first version of windows being treated as a service per mary jo foley on ZDNet.

Or you can believe the VB code rumour

dr_st wrote:The copy speed issue was really due to the DRM code? I never followed that story to the bottom line. I remember people complaining about it at the beginning, but by the time I actually jumped on the Vista bandwagon it was a non-issue already, so I never dug deep.

Yeah all internal communication within the kernel between "Content" and the screen/speakers was encrypted at OS level to stop hackers intercepting the media streams being copied from device [storage] to device [screen] as was the preferred method in XP which was defeating the early attempts at HDMI/DRM. Vista V1 apparently couldn't tell the difference between debbie does dallas/Titanic or last weeks sales xls so everything was encrypted bogging the whole OS down. A few ex-kernel hackers from the then defunct WinCE and ex-NT bods kicked Vista kenel around and by SP2 it was a lot smarter and leaner.

All the cruft was put in as MS wanted to use Vista as a basis for a sorta universal Netflix where they used the Windows user base to view TV/Films via DRM for payment. Eventually MS & Hollywood couldnt agree on how to divvy up the money and who actually owned the customers so it never saw the light of day.

Summilux · #13 Post by **Summilux** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:13 am

Thank you for the feedback OP.
I'll hopefully grab the final release when it comes out and if it still offers a proper desktop experience, as Win 7 isn't satisfactorily stable on my machine (could be the drivers, could be the OS - and yes, that's a legit version, with the fully hologrammed install disc and all).

ArtShapiro · #14 Post by **ArtShapiro** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:33 am

Summilux wrote:Thank you for the feedback OP.

My pleasure, although it was discouraging to see the thread instantly deteriorate into a "Microsoft sucks" diatribe, deserved or not.

I'm still pleased after several days. I had some trouble installing one particular Dell laser printer on my employer's network; it was printing blurred stuff, even the test page, until I changed to a Lexmark driver. My home Lexmark laser printer went normally.

Even my ancient Win95-era computerized Random House dictionary installed fine.

I'm not sure what AV to install; right now it's just using Windows Defender or whatever they call it.

Lenovo System Update can't handle the OS - it reports nothing. I manually installed the hotkey drivers, which fortunately were compatible with the R61 drivers I had quickly downloaded once it became known that Lenovo was about to (and now has) delete drivers for older Thinkpads. That lets me do stuff like hibernate from FN-F12. No other Lenovo software has knowingly been installed.

Art

precip9 · #15 Post by **precip9** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:15 pm

How about switchable graphics? Try it?

emeraldgirl08 · #16 Post by **emeraldgirl08** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:17 pm

Downloaded and installed on my Dell Latitude e6510 w/NVIDIA NVS 3100M GPU. Been test driving it for two-days now and it has been relatively stable w/o BSOD. Been getting a feel for the new UI and have customized the start tiles that I would like featured in the start menu (XBox Music, News, Weather, Calculator, and CCleaner). Most of the programs I normally use i.e., Chrome browser, Foxit Reader, VLC, Intel SSD Toolbox, CCleaner, and Malware Bytes work fine. I installed a different AV for the Technical Preview and went with Avira. Seems to work well so far and is unobtrusive which I like! I would like to install a Microsoft office however I do not have a spare license at this point. I think I've exhausted all my schools MS key privileges due to previous testing lol.

CLICK for screenshots from my Install of Technical Preview

Cons:

-not sure if displayport audio is working. It is grayed out and I am hesitant to manually install another NVIDIA driver. For this install I let Technical Preview install the driver via updates. Current NVIDIA version is 340.52. I once tried manually installing the latest driver that I acquired directly from NVIDIA with my W8 install- ended up having to reinstall W8 again :/
-application fonts on default for my 1080p screen are sort of clunky looking...subjective and I think this could be useful for older eyes. The effect is everything else such as web rendering etc is its 100% scale however application windows and also some header texts seem to be on the slightly bigger settings. One effect, for example, when I open up CCleaner my web page is nice and sharp however the whole GUI for CCleaner is big and slightly blurry. Might have to play around with this a bit more and adjust scaling.
-I knew the audio for the e6510 is pretty much unimpressive...the audio via built-in laptop speakers seems to be reduced on this install...am going to submit this whole post to Technical Preview forums also.

Pros:

+ stable enough to use for evaluation i.e., able to get to desktop and install programs w/o BSOD
+ not bad (IMO) for an alpha preview

Dekks · #17 Post by **Dekks** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:39 pm

It's also hooked up to a real time telemetry system called Asimov and they can see, track anything you do with the preview, it's even got a keylogger built in.

precip9 · #18 Post by **precip9** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:54 pm

emeraldgirl08 wrote:Downloaded and installed on my Dell Latitude e6510 w/NVIDIA NVS 3100M GPU. Been test driving it for two-days now and it has been relatively stable w/o BSOD.

Would you be so kind as to clarify whether in the above system, switchable graphics is operational?

emeraldgirl08 · #19 Post by **emeraldgirl08** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:26 pm

The e6510 I have is discrete graphics only. I believe that Optimus made its debut until Sandybridge or Ivybridge

precip9 · #20 Post by **precip9** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:14 pm

The spec sheet, http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shar ... csheet.pdf ,

indicates that it has Intel HD graphics, another word for integrated graphics.

I would think it would have software support for what's in the hardware?

emeraldgirl08 · #21 Post by **emeraldgirl08** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:52 pm

The e6510 I have does not have switchable graphics nor does it have Intel integrated graphics. It is discrete only. I believe there are Intel integrated-only variants as well as discrete-only (such as the unit I have). IIRC the T410/T510 from that same CPU era and that use the same NVIDIA graphics (NVS 3100M) also do not have switchable capability.

ajkula66 · #22 Post by **ajkula66** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:09 pm

emeraldgirl08 wrote:The e6510 I have does not have switchable graphics nor does it have Intel integrated graphics. It is discrete only. I believe there are Intel integrated-only variants as well as discrete-only (such as the unit I have). IIRC the T410/T510 from that same CPU era and that use the same NVIDIA graphics (NVS 3100M) also do not have switchable capability.

Hmm...That CPU has the graphics portion included...and I would presume that switching is possible *unless* it was purposely disabled in BIOS...

ajkula66 · #23 Post by **ajkula66** » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:11 pm

Dekks wrote:It's also hooked up to a real time telemetry system called Asimov and they can see, track anything you do with the preview, it's even got a keylogger built in.

Nice.

If that's true I'm not touching it with a 50-foot-pole...

Temetka · #24 Post by **Temetka** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:45 am

I installed this on my Thinkpad T410 and a spare SSD in case it insta [censored] me off like 8 did. Specs, then thoughts.

i5 M520 CPU (dual core + HT)
8GB DDR3
256MB Nvidia Quadro NVS3100M
128GB Samsung PRO SSD
1440x900 LCD (non touch)

I wasn't expecting to be blown away. I was expecting to be [censored] off. Windows 8 [censored] me off so badly I can steel feel the bile rise when I recall first installing it and forcing myself to use it for a month just in case it was a case of "user not wanting to learn."

Boot is extremely quick, even though my SSD is limited to SATA2 speeds. All my hardware minus the GPU was working out of the box. Hit up Microsoft Update and there was the driver waiting for me. Awesomesauce.

I loaded up Office 2010 Pro Plus using our VLK and it works fine (wasn't really expecting any issues). I also installed Firefox+plugins, and some apps from the Microsoft Store: MS Mahjong, Nook, Backgrounds HD, Flipboard, Wikipedia.

I am going to replace 2010 with 2013 because we just got a new VLK for it. Most of my IT junk is handled in Office and cmd.exe and remote desktop. For personal junk I use VLC for music and media, or youtube for playlists. Some Vega conflict gaming and that's pretty much it. So let's got over a few things I like:

1. Multiple Desktops - It's about [censored] time this is built in. Figured out some keyboard commands also: CTRL+WIN+LEFT/RIGHT to change desktops. WIN+TAB brings up the apps switcher + multiple desktop selector whereas ALT+TAB only brings up the task switcher.

2. Windowed Metro Apps - I love this feature.

3. Gneral OS Speed. It is far faster than Windows 7 was. I did not think this was possible because my Windows 7 install is freakin' snappy as heck.

I haven't had time to test system stability but I am a "[censored] it, going all in guy." So here's what I am going to do. I already used Windows Backup (which will probably fail) to make a backup of everything on my Win7 SSD. I am going to clone from the 128GB PRO to my 256GB EVO because I want more space. Then I am going to abuse the heck out of this OS and see what breaks. I keep all my important junk either in the cloud or stored on offline media. Considering the install took around 10 minutes, I won't be too far behind recovering in case some bad voodoo happens.

Things I miss:

1. Areo. I loved Aero glass. Like, really, love it. This flat Metro UI reminds me of Win 3.11.
2. Desktop Widgets. But I can add those in later.

For a technical preview, it's veyr well put together. I have running right now:

3 Desktops

Desktop 1: Windows Store, Weather, Backgrounds HD
Desktop 2: Firefox with 9 tabs and it's been playing a youtube playlist for the last few hours. IE11 with 8 tabs open.
Desktop 3: Outlook is syncing my e-mail accounts, OneNote, Excel and Word are open and running various work related things.

Switching from task to task is almost instant. If there is a delay it's less than 1s or so. 95% there is no delay.

Looks like Windows 10 will carry the tradition of every other Microsoft OS being game changing and [censored] kicking. I am loving this so much. I was all set to use Windows 7 until they dropped support for PRO and Enterprise clients. Time will tell if the "New OS Joy" wears off or not. I don't think it will.

For those of you who want it you can check it out here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview

pianowizard · #25 Post by **pianowizard** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:07 am

Temetka wrote:I was expecting to be *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** off. Windows 8 *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** me off so badly I can steel feel the bile rise when I recall first installing it and forcing myself to use it for a month just in case it was a case of "user not wanting to learn."

I am still puzzled by how anyone could be soooooo [censored] by any software. Other than the new Start menu, what else about Windows 8 bothered you?

I was confused by Windows 8 initially, but adapted to it after a couple hours. By contrast, after 7 years, I still haven't fully adapted to the new Office interface that started with Office 2007. Nonetheless, I would never say "Office 2007 *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** me off so badly I can still feel the bile rise when I recall first installing it". I try not to get too agitated over small inconveniences, because it's not good for my health.

#26 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:18 am

No point cursing and swearing any longer!
Install UbitMenu in Office 2007/2010/2013 to get rid of that horrible space-wasting ribbon:
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/
Been using it for several moths now, perfect!

dr_st · #27 Post by **dr_st** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:51 am

Who just went and censored the word "piss"?

precip9 · #28 Post by **precip9** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:10 am

But what makes this "gotta have" over 8.1 with
a. Classic Shell for the start menu, http://www.classicshell.net/ Classic Shell is a completely transparent replacement for the missing Microsoft start menu. So why does everyone hype the issue that it's back? Perhaps it is, but what are they taking away this time?
b. One of the virtual desktops described at
http://www.lockergnome.com/windows/2012 ... -for-free/

Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7. I have it on several X61s's, and an HP DV5z, and it revived these machines speed-wise.

While I understand the so-called "computer journalists" (to whom I would apply a doubtless censured word) have to hype everything that comes along, because "new and better" is their business, what is the attraction to the private individual? What is the big idea? Who cares, and why?

I am more concerned about the "Cloud" OS. It is rumored that Windows 10 will subtract local functionality and transfer it to the "cloud." I like the idea of a computer which, once configured, has a life completely independent of the "cloud", which is subject to all sorts of security risks and service disruptions. I like having it all here, not there.

dr_st · #29 Post by **dr_st** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:57 am

Temetka wrote:1. Multiple Desktops - It's about *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** time this is built in.

That's a cool feature, but to be really useful it must support separate user inputs and outputs per desktop. So that you could run a VNC server and login to a secondary desktop, while the person using the computer can continue using the primary one. Without this capability, it's just a convenience thing, and doesn't do anything that can't be done without it.

#30 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:02 am

dr_st wrote:Who just went and censored the word "piss"?

The only one to blame for that is the phpBB forum software...

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