T60

[hhmcsv]

So, as of last night, I upgraded to Build 10061.

On this version, I have installed the following useful drivers:

thinkpad_79d533ww.exe,
graphics driver for the ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 display adapter, which will give fine video performance and the abilty to add the sleep feature as described in above posts. Remember to turn off "fast startup" in power options.

8jvu23ww.exe, which will provide "On screen display" for audio and screen brightness.

grku10ww.exe which is power management driver

g6u432ww.exe which will give Power management features including battery information. This has to be installed in Win7 compability mode.

g1sa66ww.exe which is the active protection system for the HDD.

And so, I'm up and running again with an "instant on" (from sleep) laptop

Everything seems to work without issues - Win10 seems a winner

[jonthomas]

So, as of last night, I upgraded to Build 10061.

On this version, I have installed the following useful drivers:

thinkpad_79d533ww.exe,
graphics driver for the ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 display adapter, which will give fine video performance and the abilty to add the sleep feature as described in above posts. Remember to turn off "fast startup" in power options.

8jvu23ww.exe, which will provide "On screen display" for audio and screen brightness.

grku10ww.exe which is power management driver

g6u432ww.exe which will give Power management features including battery information. This has to be installed in Win7 compability mode.

g1sa66ww.exe which is the active protection system for the HDD.

And so, I'm up and running again with an "instant on" (from sleep) laptop

Everything seems to work without issues - Win10 seems a winner

Hello hhmcsv

I am very happy that you have managed to get your T60 working properly in Windows 10 preview. My laptop is a T60 with the X1300 card too (also have a T42), and I hope to run win 10 too, but am having difficulty finding the right drivers to use.

I have not tried the W10 preview, running 7 ultimate currently, was planning to wait for the full release as it is not long now.

I have spent some time reading through this thread - it is the most helpful information I have found to date. However, I have not been able to find any of the drivers you mention in your post quoted above.

The most important of which is the video driver. I have download the "modded 12.11 Catalyst drivers" linked by Pokrzept on the last page, also the Vista drivers from the UK & US Lenovo site (79d533ww.exe not thinkpad_79d533ww.exe as you stated) but I am not sure that either is the one that you mean.

As for the other drivers you mention I cannot find any of them on the Lenovo site listed under T60 Downloads & Drivers, there are similarly named drivers but not exactly the same.

As for the ATI site I cannot make any sense of it really for X1300 downloads. I did find catalyst downloads as far back as 12.1 there, but nowhere near as far as other people seem to be using for T60/X1300.

Could you tell me where I can get this video driver from, or any of the other drivers you mention in you post? Am I missing something here?

Many thank for being so helpful already with your posts.

[hhmcsv]

Hi jonthomas,

Well, since then I have moved to build 10130 on the T60, and unfortunately my experiences are somewhat mixed. Following the normal windowsupdates, in the end the T60 got very slow at normal startups and with stability issues. So today I decided to run it on a completely newly-formatted HDD from the DVD .iso file.
I don't have any record of where I found the above drivers - but they are from the Lenovo downloads for the T60 for Win7 or Vista. But try to get them here http://1drv.ms/1GW7AlG

As the official release-date in end of july is getting very close, I have my doubts to Microsofts ability to make Win10 a smooth high-quality system from day one. There seems still to be many rough corners to be filed off. So I would recommend waiting a bit.....

Hans-Henrik

[jonthomas]

Many thanks for replying so quickly. I was thinking you had probably moved on to a new W10 build since your last post.

Your link is very helpful.

[hhmcsv]

Yeah, Lenovo does make it very difficult to find the right files as the names are not searchable directly.
But if you follow this link:
http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product ... inkpad-t60
you may find the video driver for Vista I have in my file collection.
But back to my T60, it is now running smoothly under build 10130, now only with the MS basic video driver - if the T60 is not going to be used to watch high quality video, this may be good enough for this old brick. The next months will show the way forward.

[hhmcsv]

So, status so far is:
Win10, Technical preview 10130, installed on freshly formatted 7200 rpm HDD. With browsers (Crome, Firefox, Opera, X1300 video driver, Libre Office and VLC player all using 12.1 Gb disk space. Startup from sleep under 5secs, from hibernate 23 secs. Fast startup is enabled, thus on cold startup one ends up with a black screen - this quirk is resolve by pressing Fn + F4. This sends the PC to sleep, and by pressing Fn + F4 again you are up and running.
Otherwise, the whole thing seems to work very fine with crisp feel and OK video performance from DVD-player and streaming TV. The different browsers seem to be a little different in delivering a smooth picture, with the new Spartan browser being the best.
So the old brick is awaiting a load of fresh mortar on July 29

[theterminator93]

Do you have a little more info on the hardware in your particular T60 (e.g. RAM and CPU)? What's memory usage like with the 32 bit version?

I have 10130 on my extra T61p which has 4GB (so 64 bit). I use my T60 daily as my work laptop and am considering the plunge...

[hhmcsv]

2007-4CG 06/07:
CPU: Core Duo 1,83 GHz, 4Gb ram, 7200rpm HDD, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 display adapter, Bluetooth, 2xUSB3 - ports in the PCMCIA slot.

[micrex22]

But the T60 would not boot from the USB-memory, instead I invested in burning a DVD.
Bootup and install went completely without hitches, and there is no driver issues in "device manager".

That's interesting, I put Win10 on a USB stick and ran the Win10 installation from it with no issues. What did you use to deploy the ISO to the memory stick?

I used Rufus:
https://rufus.akeo.ie/

[hhmcsv]

I just moved the .iso-file using file explorer.......

[micrex22]

I just moved the .iso-file using file explorer.......

Yeah you need a program to specially configure it, copying the raw files over won't work (just as copying the raw files to a CD-ROM/DVD will not work either).

[Norway Pad]

This is the method I have used to make USB sticks bootable for purposes like this. http://blog.powerbiz.net.au/fixes/using ... windows-8/ Do this first, and then move the files. (The actual files, not the ISO file)

[axur-delmeria]

Rufus https://rufus.akeo.ie can also be used to make bootable USB disks.

[hhmcsv]

So, after a couple of build-updates without having to use .iso-files, I am now on build 10166.
Seems to run very fine. Time to cold startup cannot be measured as the T60 ends up with a black screen only showing a cursor. By pressing Fn+F4, the desktop shows for a second, and takes the PC into sleep. After that, pressing Fn+f4 again wakes the PC normally.
But using "Hibernate" instead of shutdown, gives a startup-time of just under 25 secs, and waking from sleep is under 5 secs. Does the T60 use any battery power in the "Hibernate"-mode?
When starting from cold, sometimes "ATI external event utility" shows up twice in Task manager, and this utility slows the machine considerably as it consumes most of the CPU. But ending the utility in Task manager does not seem to have any effect, and it does not reappear after hibernate or sleep. It seems to be a known issue: https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forum ... -cpu-power

But apart from all this, the T60 is behaving very nicely.

[JesseKnows]

When hibernated the system consumes no power.

In Windows 10, "shutdown" is actually a log out plus hibernation. The kernel is swapped to disk as per hibernation.
In other words, there is no good reason to prefer shutdown to hibernation. It's about the same amount of time down and up, plus you don't have to reopen applications.

[Pokrzept]

When hibernated the system consumes no power.

In Windows 10, "shutdown" is actually a log out plus hibernation. The kernel is swapped to disk as per hibernation.
In other words, there is no good reason to prefer shutdown to hibernation. It's about the same amount of time down and up, plus you don't have to reopen applications.

... Plus if your laptop has an SSD instead of HDD every hibernation shortens SSD life time.

[JesseKnows]

... Plus if your laptop has an SSD instead of HDD every hibernation shortens SSD life time.

Please explain a bit.
1. Hibernation writes the content of the RAM working set - up to 3 GB on the T60 - a few times a day at a maximum. Is this significant to the longevity of a SSD?
2. Is the difference between kernel only (via Win10 shutdown) and entire working set (via hibernation) significant?

[dr_st]

It's not significant for the longevity of the SSD. But there is no real reason to hibernate a few times a day. You can just put the computer in standby if it's for short periods of time.

The hybrid shutdown (kernel hibernation + user session shutdown) is said to be faster than both a full shutdown a full hibernation. However you lose the state of open programs. So I'd say the question on whether to use hibernation versus shutdown is whether you want to save the state of programs or not.

[hhmcsv]

Well, I'm on build 10240 and only 2 days off the launch date of july 29. It is running beautifully.
So I thought that I was good to go........
But in the "Get Windows App" suddenly it appears, that the T60 is not compatible and will not receive the much awaited update, because of the Radeon X1300 graphics.
So what does one do now? A possible workaround is simply to remove the display adapter in device manager. Surprice, the screen does not go black but some pnp-driver is there instead and there is still a functioning screen. And now the T60 is compatible!
Strange enough, the default "Microsoft basic display driver" is not compatible, and of course our preferred X1300 driver is also not. But thumbs are up for wednesday

[Norway Pad]

So it basically sounds like Win10 won't fare any better with the T60's ATI Graphics than Win8.1 does. After having spent a year with a daily driver T60 that has random 10 second freezes due to Graphics driver incompatibility, I have decided to not go through the hassle of trying to have the T60 run even another OS. At least not straight away. So I'll probably focus on spending any Win10 upgrades I'm eligible for on newer hardware (T61 and on), and retire the T60 from daily driver duties. More powerful hardware might come handy as well, that's another reason for my decision.

One solution will be to put Linux on it. After running Linux Mint 17 on a T61p for the last week as a temporarily solution, I have to say I have rarely been happier with an OS. No strings attached at all.

[JesseKnows]

Fast startup is enabled, thus on cold startup one ends up with a black screen - this quirk is resolve by pressing Fn + F4. This sends the PC to sleep, and by pressing Fn + F4 again you are up and running.

Fn alone wakes the unit up from sleep.

[hhmcsv]

So, on the big Windows 10 day, I was expecting the upgrade from the normal Windows 8.1 system, which I had running on a separate HDD.
But even if I could se the downloaded files in the folder §Windows.~BT, there was no sign of any update, apart from a few unsuccesful incidents in Windows Update with the error code 80240020.
Instead, being a impatient soul, I found another way, using the "Media Creation Tool",
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... ol-install
This went very well, so now the T60 is running an activated copy of Win10 with
- Thinkvantage Active protection system
- On Screen display
- X1300 display driver
all running fine, startup time from hibernate is now under 20secs, and of course instant on from sleep.
So far a success

[Norway Pad]

Good job! Is that the Vista version of the ATI graphics driver installed in compatibility mode? No random explorer freezing?

I'm on vacation right now, so I don't have any eligible laptops with me to try any Win10 upgrades yet.

[hhmcsv]

It's the driver version 8.383.1.100 - I cannot remember whether it was installed in compatability mode. It survived the upgrade in the DRIVER-folder on C:

But it sure runs sweet - I have not noticed any freezes, but I have stopped the 2 ATI-processes in task manager.

[Norway Pad]

OK, the External Utility Event that consumes 100% CPU? I remember doing that from time to time in Win8 too. Well, as long as freezing doesn't happen, at least I know Win10 can be done on the T60..

[micrex22]

OK, the External Utility Event that consumes 100% CPU? I remember doing that from time to time in Win8 too. Well, as long as freezing doesn't happen, at least I know Win10 can be done on the T60..

Yeah I've been having that problem too. I just kill it in task manager. It should be possible to prevent it from starting up with msconfig or whatever.

[Norway Pad]

Correct. I think it was a startup process, so I ended up disabling it, and never noticed any side effects from that.

[hhmcsv]

Now I have upgraded the second T60 (1952-CTO) in the family, this one with a Intel 945 graphics adapter. I was using the MS "Media creation tool" from a USB-stick, and everything went very smooth and no issues whatsoever.
Using this tool at the present state of the tide implies, that the tool has to be set using US english and the T60 has also to be set to US english.

[lashes]

Just to report a successful update from win7 pro to win 10 pro on my T60 - 2007GEM, t5600, ATI X1300, 3gb ram, 320gb 7200rpm hdd. I was running the vista graphics driver on win 7, so tried that first after the install loaded the ms basic driver. It ran ok with video a wee bit stuttery and firefox scrolling also a bit rough. As well, it would not open Catalyst Control Centre and told me to update it.
Searching this forum found the modded 12.11 catalyst package which I have since installed and run - result excellent. Smoother scrolling and good video, CCC all working.
Thanks for the links.

(BTW Was surprised to find that the ms driver automatically ran the 1400x1050 native resolution of my screen.)

[klausp]

Hi Lindsay,

good to hear about your success.

How did you jump over the hurdle that GWX or the ISO image installation tells you that an upgrade is not possible?

With my system (T60, X1300) this is everytime the case...
Until now I did not find any way to go through the installation.

Would you please explain the steps you did?

Best wishes, Klaus