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ThinkPad560X · #1 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:29 pm

I got my Windows 7 Pro updated and got the "Get Windows 10" icon on the bottom tray. Like all my other OS I got, My 64bit desktop has a External HDD for Windows Vista Pro, Windows 8.1 Pro and checking with Windows 10. Windows 7 Pro is my main internal HDD on this desktop. I have the same for my older desktop, Windows 95 all the way to XP for older OS requirements. I'm wanting to get the last Windows 10 but I don't want to over take my internal Windows 7 HDD but install on this brand new WD 1TB external drive I got today on sale. If I reserve Windows 10 will it allow me to install on a fresh drive or is it going to upgrade Windows 7? I plan to buy the disc version as I do with all my OSs but this is free for the first year. I also though of install Windows 7 on the external drive and then do windows 10 upgrade, but then it may read as a pirate copy since the key is used on this machine.

Norway Pad · #2 Post by **Norway Pad** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:17 am

I don't know how Win10 will work, but back when Win8 was offered as a cheap upgrade, the license you got was valid for activation with an upgrade install only. But there were methods invented that allowed you activate even if you did a clean install, so I did all my Win8 upgrades as clean installs. I suspect something like this might be invented for Win10 as well, unless Microsoft put efforts into preventing this.

I never tried to reinstall and activate Vista with the licenses I used when I purchased the Win8 upgrades, so not sure what happens if you try to use a key you at one point upgraded from.

Temetka · #3 Post by **Temetka** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:27 am

Norway Pad wrote:I don't know how Win10 will work, but back when Win8 was offered as a cheap upgrade, the license you got was valid for activation with an upgrade install only. But there were methods invented that allowed you activate even if you did a clean install, so I did all my Win8 upgrades as clean installs. I suspect something like this might be invented for Win10 as well, unless Microsoft put efforts into preventing this.

I never tried to reinstall and activate Vista with the licenses I used when I purchased the Win8 upgrades, so not sure what happens if you try to use a key you at one point upgraded from.

Perhaps this will help:

http://arstechnica.com/information-tech ... d-at-work/

ThinkPad560X · #4 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:52 pm

Windows 10 Upgrade for Windows XP
http://s262.photobucket.com/user/halfbr ... o.jpg.html

I sent Microsoft this in a survey.

Temetka · #5 Post by **Temetka** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:47 pm

Yeah, no.

With all their recent efforts to kill XP (and it should die, really) giving Windows 10 away to Vista, 7 and 8 users of plenty.

Next you are going to want free Office, Server and Exchange installs.

ThinkPad560X · #6 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:57 pm

If their wanting to kill XP, then XP users will have a free option to Microsoft's new OS they want every person to get onto, For Free.

ajkula66 · #7 Post by **ajkula66** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:17 am

Temetka wrote:With all their recent efforts to kill XP (and it should die, really) giving Windows 10 away to Vista, 7 and 8 users of plenty.

My understanding is that Vista users are not eligible for the free upgrade, unlike ones that run legit versions of W7 and W8.x

Talk about getting shafted by MS...twice...

ThinkPad560X · #8 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:46 pm

The only Thing I can think of why Windows XP and Windows Vista don't get the Free Windows 10 Upgrade is because most of them were 32-bit and I don't know if Windows 10 comes in 32-bit or not. I got Windows XP Pro x64-bit and Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit, So I don't know. If it does come in the 32-bit and 64-bit then the Free upgrade should be a option for Windows XP - 8.1 since their is still a large user base of XP "Me included, but I have every OS of Windows on a external drive for use" And can maybe get people off XP for free that didn't want to spend $199 for a version upgrade or $299 for full version. The other problem I had when installing Windows 8 on my Pentium 4 computers was the NX error and I think Windows 10 would be on the same level as 8/8.1

Yes their is going to be a 32-bit Windows 10: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/42852/mic ... index.html

So the upgrade should fit in fine for XP and Vista users.

Temetka · #9 Post by **Temetka** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:24 pm

I agree with Microsoft on not giving away Windows 10 for XP and Vista users.

Windows XP was released on August 24th, 2001.
Windows Vista was released on January 30th, 2007.

So a 14 year old OS, or an 8 year old OS. No, you need to pay again. IF it were me running the show, no one would get the OS for free. Windows 8 users could get a discount. But this mentality of giving away people's hard work is just stupid. If you want a free OS, do what I do - run linux. Microsoft makes a good chunk of their money from OEM licensing and Enterprise customers. The home user, not so much. That being said it is still a multi-million dollar revenue stream and there is no reason to "give away" a brand new operating system to people who haven't bothered to spend $150 in 8 to 14 years for a DVD.

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This is directed at society at large, not any particular user here.

It's part of this whole give me everything for free mentality that is the problem. Nothing is free. People need to eat and pay their bills. They can't do that on "free." You have no money you say. Not my problem I say. Nor is it Microsoft's problem. Computing costs money, period. Keeping up to date software costs money. Giving away cheap computers and programs still costs money. Everything costs money. That money comes from working. Get a better job, get educated. Stop blowing money on junk food, and too many luxury items (a few are nice for peace of mind, I recognize that). Be responsible.

But get over it. Nothing is free. Nor should it be. Grow up.
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EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but when I see people asking for stuff for free and I'm busting my [censored] to build our consulting company - well it just rubs me the wrong way. If I put myself through night school while my wife had cancer and my kids are special needs and am still able to make a decent amount of money; then I see no reason others cannot do the same. Maybe it's the government handouts. Maybe the generation after mine (I am 38 btw) is just that lazy. I don't know. But I don't like it. Not one bit.

ThinkPad560X · #10 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:51 pm

For me, I'm not getting Windows 10 free, I am getting the Professional edition when it comes out retail. I always buy the disc version and own all the versions of Windows and like having the software for when I need to clean install again or just to test out old PCs at their limit. I am 30 and this new generation don't remember how much PCs use to cost back then $4K-$3K for a laptop Even remember seeing the most expensive ThinkPad PowerPC at $12,000,00. The T series was the $2K and $1K mark and now it Almost the cheapest ThinkPad on Lenovo.com

Saucey · #11 Post by **Saucey** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:53 pm

Who'd want to pay to upgrade anyways? Apple gives their users upgraded OS for free.
Even if there's just small bells and whistles on each OSX version, marketing can sell it easily.
Google with their ChromeOS, Linux with the various distros, who'd want the OS that gets viruses anyways?

I see the business world wanting it and needing it, but given that there are more 'open and innovative' companies thoughts/policies, there really is no true need for Windows unless you're at a school.

Its been awhile since I've used a basic or home edition version of Windows, I'll see how it fares.

Temetka · #12 Post by **Temetka** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:58 pm

Saucey wrote:Who'd want to pay to upgrade anyways? Apple gives their users upgraded OS for free.
Even if there's just small bells and whistles on each OSX version, marketing can sell it easily.
Google with their ChromeOS, Linux with the various distros, who'd want the OS that gets viruses anyways?

I see the business world wanting it and needing it, but given that there are more 'open and innovative' companies thoughts/policies, there really is no true need for Windows unless you're at a school.

Its been awhile since I've used a basic or home edition version of Windows, I'll see how it fares.

I was waiting for the Apple gives it away bit. Apple is not a software company. They make their money (most of it anyway) on hardware and stuff sold in the iTunes store. Giving away the approach vector for that makes sense. Yes let's give away the thing that will let people spend even more money with us. That does make sense and works for Apple. Maybe if Microsoft's store ever gets as popular as Apple's (I highly doubt this) then one can argue for giving away the goose that laid the golden egg. But until then...no.

ThinkPad560X · #13 Post by **ThinkPad560X** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:00 pm

I'm thinking Microsoft has something hidden that we don't know about because I never seen Microsoft giving anything away for free and the OS is their main business, I suspect payable micro transactions for program upgrades and features.

Temetka · #14 Post by **Temetka** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:15 pm

SaaS, and we get to the heart of it.

Seems like someone was paying attention in class.

pianowizard · #15 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:48 am

Temetka wrote:I agree with Microsoft on not giving away Windows 10 for XP and Vista users....Sorry for the rant, but when I see people asking for stuff for free and I'm busting my *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** to build our consulting company - well it just rubs me the wrong way.

Very, very, very well said, your entire post. Another example of this mentality is that lots of YouTube users think they have the right to upload copyrighted material. I don't know why but it seems that an increasing number of people are asking for free stuff and not caring about the hard work that others have put into. No one complained when Microsoft stopped supporting 95 in Dec 2001, or 98 in Jul 2006, or Millennium also in Jul 2006, or 2000 (which was arguably a far better OS than XP) in Jul 2010. But so many folks were [censored] off when support for XP ended in Apr 2014, and again when Microsoft announced that XP and Vista users would not be getting 10 for free. It's a pretty disturbing trend.

Temetka · #16 Post by **Temetka** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:21 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Temetka wrote:I agree with Microsoft on not giving away Windows 10 for XP and Vista users....Sorry for the rant, but when I see people asking for stuff for free and I'm busting my *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** to build our consulting company - well it just rubs me the wrong way.
Very, very, very well said, your entire post. Another example of this mentality is that lots of YouTube users think they have the right to upload copyrighted material. I don't know why but it seems that an increasing number of people are asking for free stuff and not caring about the hard work that others have put into. No one complained when Microsoft stopped supporting 95 in Dec 2001, or 98 in Jul 2006, or Millennium also in Jul 2006, or 2000 (which was arguably a far better OS than XP) in Jul 2010. But so many folks were *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** off when support for XP ended in Apr 2014, and again when Microsoft announced that XP and Vista users would not be getting 10 for free. It's a pretty disturbing trend.

Thanks! It took me a few revisions to get it right. I kept going over it to add clarification and remove some of the more rant-y parts.

Dekks · #17 Post by **Dekks** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:21 am

pianowizard wrote:........and again when Microsoft announced that XP and Vista users would not be getting 10 for free. It's a pretty disturbing trend.

Personally i would have thought that Vista would have been #1 priority to get to 10 as they are the most likely to move to alternatives.

Temetka · #18 Post by **Temetka** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:19 am

Alternatives such as Linux or MacOS?

Most consumers purchase Windows with their machine. Most of them will get 8 or 10 with whatever machine they purchase. The few who slip through the cracks won't really affect Microsoft's bottom line.

dr_st · #19 Post by **dr_st** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:44 am

I can see the reasons both ways. Certainly the cutoff has to be put somewhere (unless you are willing to give it away for free to everyone). It makes some sense to expect someone who hasn't paid in a long time to pay again.

On the other hand, Vista users are what - 3% of the market right now? A drop in the bucket (or in Microsoft's budget) if they were to get it for free. It's still possible that at some point they will.

It's also inaccurate to look at the OS release date as the deciding date. The real question is up until what point the licenses were sold. Surely XP licenses were sold for a long time after Vista was released, possibly even after Win7 was.

There is no right and wrong in this. Every company can choose its own business model, whether its pay for software, or for subscription, or support, or services, or whatever, or even give everything for free and make money off ads or fan merchandise.

There is also nothing wrong with people wanting free stuff. It's not illegal to want.

The bottom line is - as you said - people will end up paying for Windows anyways, with the new machines they buy. Microsoft has been giving away free upgrades right before the release of a new OS for Win7, and for Win8 as well. It's nothing really new. They do it so that people who want to buy a new system will do so now, instead of sitting and waiting.

The only difference is that now they are willing to apply it retroactively for every Win7/Win8.1 license, not just for whatever you buy today. Heck - it won't hurt them. Very few people would buy new licenses for their legacy systems anyways. So instead of them continuing to run Win7/Win8.1, some of these people will move to Win10, which may in the long run make Microsoft's life easier (less variety, less support headache). And Vista is again ignored because of its small market share and soon-to-end support (<2 years at this point).

pianowizard · #20 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:17 am

dr_st wrote:There is also nothing wrong with people wanting free stuff. It's not illegal to want.

I didn't explain myself clearly. I don't have problem with people wanting free stuff, but I do have problem with people who believe they deserve free stuff, such as believing they deserve XP support until the end of time. "Wanting" free stuff isn't the reason why these people were so angry at Microsoft's decision to stop supporting XP last year. They were angry because they felt entitled to lifetime support.

Temetka · #21 Post by **Temetka** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:21 pm

Exactly.

They feel entitled.

MrMaguire · #22 Post by **MrMaguire** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:39 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Temetka wrote:I agree with Microsoft on not giving away Windows 10 for XP and Vista users....Sorry for the rant, but when I see people asking for stuff for free and I'm busting my *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** to build our consulting company - well it just rubs me the wrong way.
Very, very, very well said, your entire post. Another example of this mentality is that lots of YouTube users think they have the right to upload copyrighted material. I don't know why but it seems that an increasing number of people are asking for free stuff and not caring about the hard work that others have put into. No one complained when Microsoft stopped supporting 95 in Dec 2001, or 98 in Jul 2006, or Millennium also in Jul 2006, or 2000 (which was arguably a far better OS than XP) in Jul 2010. But so many folks were *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** off when support for XP ended in Apr 2014, and again when Microsoft announced that XP and Vista users would not be getting 10 for free. It's a pretty disturbing trend.

Actually you'd be surprised by how much some people miss Windows 95-2000, and as a result how popular they still are. On forums where people discuss Windows (and Microsoft software in general), a lot of people are still using those OSes.

As for Windows XP's support ending. Let's be honest, Vista really really was a big change from XP, and it doesn't run well at all on XP era hardware. Vista is the reason why XP lasted so long. If somebody wants to use an old computer (let's say pre 2006), they pretty much have to use XP, even now.

I think with this new OS release model, Microsoft is trying to avoid another Vista incident, where the new OS is a radical change and everybody wants to just stick with what works. Instead there will be free and gradual upgrades, which will make the OS heavier and heavier, and hardware will become obsolete quicker as a result. Do you know anyone that uses a 10 year old Macintosh, compared to a 10 year old PC?

The sad thing is it looks everybody's gonna hang onto Windows 7 even after its support cycle completely runs out. And why? Because Windows 8 is really really different to what came before it. See a trend here?

Dekks · #23 Post by **Dekks** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:12 pm

MrMaguire wrote:I think with this new OS release model, Microsoft is trying to avoid another Vista incident, where the new OS is a radical change and everybody wants to just stick with what works.

It's to change to a subscription model.

#24 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:48 pm

Maybe now is the time to consider switching over to Linux?

Dekks · #25 Post by **Dekks** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:02 pm

Not a bad idea seeing as all bar enterprise are force fed WU and we have all had bad drivers from there in the past.

Nigellus · #26 Post by **Nigellus** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:31 pm

So upgrading to Windows 10 is a good idea or a bad idea?

I just received a Lenovo Flex2 with Windows 8.1 pre-installed. My next newest OS is Vista, so this is a completely new experience, and am learning this OS or the first time.

I'm trying to assess the pros and cons of taking the upgrade to 10.

I'm worried about a repeat of Windows ME if I'm too enthusiastic about upgrading.

Saucey · #27 Post by **Saucey** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:07 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Maybe now is the time to consider switching over to Linux?

Perhaps, Zorin OS was a surprisingly good experience for me.
But to Windows/Mac users, they'll feel like a fish out of a pond.

Tim-ANC · #28 Post by **Tim-ANC** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:30 am

I'm not getting the icon in the notification area. W530 win8.1. My windows updates are current. This FAQ hasn't helped me.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ ... e_win10faq

Norway Pad · #29 Post by **Norway Pad** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:50 am

I have gotten this nag (Sorry, notification) on two of my units, the Tablet 2 and the T60. Both running Win8.1. I do however think its main purpose at this point is to advertise, make people aware and let you reserve a Win10 upgrade. Maybe it can also be used to initiate the actual upgrade after the Win10 launch, but I'm certain you will be able to upgrade to Win10 even if you don't have this notification. Upgrading from Vista/Win7 to Win8 was done by downloading a file that checked for compatibility and then started the download of the file after you had purchased the upgrade. I would suspect that the Win10 upgrade will work the same way, except that it's free of charge for Win7/8/8.1 users.

It's a process named GWX.exe that gives the notification, btw, so as an experiment I went ahead and removed all gwx.exe components from one of my units. A slight hassle, but it worked. Even though I look forward to Win10, I don't like being told stuff I'm already aware of.

My advice would also be to hold off the upgrade on any daily driver for a couple of days (Or even weeks) after the launch. I will immediately upgrade my T420, which at current time isn't used, but I will hold off a little bit for my other unit in case of some major Win10 flaw that surfaces within the first days.

Brad · #30 Post by **Brad** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:58 am

I have also seen the tray icon on several ThinkPads I run.

I set up W10 on an X61 several months ago and was pleasantly surprised after playing awhile.

That was my only W10 experience.

I plan to create a clone on a spare drive to see how an upgrade goes.

Brad

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