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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#31 Post by thomanski » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:12 pm

aharown15 wrote: How did you manage to get Win10 on to a w520? I've tried no less than 9 times w/o success.
So far I haven't found a step by step that works.

(My efforts to date have included returning the unit to factory condition and downloading all "important" Win 7 updates... and most of the 'recommended' ones. Updating all drivers using Lenovo System Update.... and then various mixes of bios settings, none of which worked.)
The error I always come back to is 0xc1900101 - 0x20017 "The installation failed in the safe_os phase with an error during boot operation"

Sure would love to get past that.
UPDATE: I have actually now gone through it all once more: As before I started with an old, non-Thinkpad Win7 Pro installation DVD, this time only Security > Virtualization -> Intel VT-d Feature: Disabled (even though Win7 has no problem with that) and the Start settings as below. I suspect you can go from any Win7 installation you currently have. Then I installed the 64bit version of the Ethernet driver (http://support.lenovo.com/de/de/downloads/ds019204) as I had to go online to activate it. Since it wasn't a Thinkpad-Win7 install CD I also had to go through activation via phone (that automated service). I didn't install any updates. Then I used the USB stick with the Win10 installer from within Win7 to upgrade (I didn't permit that to download updates either) and it ran through no trouble. So now I'm sure pretty sure my issues were down to the VT-d feature. Even though I'm using VMs I get the impression (from this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... me.586900/) that I won't need VT-d at all. On to what I had previously written...

Yeah, how to install Windows 10 on the Thinkpad W520? I've struggled a lot with this, too. I tried the various common and less common suggestions such as running chkdsk, removing the DVD drive, updating everything to the latest version and doing the opposite, i.e. just installing Win7 fresh without any updates and I usually ended up with the Win10 installer booting to the Windows logo and then showing between 0 and 2 of those white points that are meant to indicate progress, then it stalled and when I rebooted hours later into Win7 it showed installation failed with same error that you quote (0xc1900101 - 0x20017). In the end I followed Sven Seiler's instructions here: https://seiler.it/windows-10-upgrade-t420s/ and although that's for the T420s it worked for my W520 as well. Don't miss out on the comments underneath the blog post as well for further info.

In case that link ever becomes unavailable, and since it's not apparently on archive.org and I had trouble adding it there, I'll summarise: It's the BIOS settings copied at the bottom of this post (all of which except for Core Multi-Processing he says you can switch back on later) that got me there. It's likely not all of those are needed, but that's what I've tried successfully. Might be worth trying to only disable Core Multi-Processing in the BIOS and seeing if that works, then reporting back here if anyone can be bothered. [Well, in my case it turned out to be the VT-d feature not the Core Multi-Processing that caused trouble.]

Just to give a bit more detail on my particular setup: I've got a W520 (Type: 4276-CTO) with an i7-2720QM, 24 GB RAM, a 1 TB mSATA SSD drive with Win7 Pro and a 1 TB HDD for data. I had taken out the DVD drive while I was trying to upgrade to Win10 since others had reported issues with it being present. Since I failed miserably upgrading, I eventually followed some advice on trying from a fresh Win7 Pro install without any updates and only the Ethernet driver copied over to allow the Win10 installer to get updates. That didn't do the trick either and then I came across Sven's post. I suspect it would have worked just as well on my previous Win7 Pro install but I'm certainly not going to test having wasted far too much time on this already. I suspect it would have worked with the DVD drive in as well. Oh, and I used the W10 installer from a USB stick but again it presumably would have worked with the direct download, too.

So here are the settings from Sven's blog post. Good luck, everyone!

EDIT: After the upgrade I ran Windows Update until it reported no further updates being available. Then I switched everything back on selectively in BIOS (even Core Multi-Processing) and restarted after every change. The only setting that seems to cause trouble for me is "Intel VT-d Feature". When I have that enabled, I get the Windows logo on boot and a couple of points intending to show progress, then it stalls completely. Reliably so, on every restart. Which is exactly what I had when the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 failed for me. So perhaps for the W520 that's the (and perhaps the only) crucial setting that needs to be switched to disabled for the upgrade to work. [I think that's confirmed now, see the UPDATE above, though the BIOS "Start" settings may also be relevant.]

Config > Display
Boot Display Device: Thinkpad LCD
Graphics Device: Discrete Graphics
OS Detection for NVIDIA Optimus: Disabled
Config > Power
Intel Speedstep technology: Disabled
CPU Power Management: Disabled
PCI Express Power Management: Disabled
Config > CPU
Core Multi-Processing: Disabled
Intel Hyper-Threading Technology: Disabled
Security > Memory Protection
Execution Prevention: Disabled
Security > Virtualization
Intel Virtualization Technology: Disabled
Intel VT-d Feature: Disabled
Security > I/O Port Access
All to disabled, expect of Ethernet LAN and eSATA Port to update the Windows installation software before the update
Startup
UEFI/Legacy Boot: Both
UEFI/Legacy Boot Priority: UEFI First
Reserve memory for UEFI Boot Manager: Enabled
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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#32 Post by MisterB » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:42 pm

I had no problems at all putting Windows 10 on my W520. I did a fresh install of Windows 7 64 bit from Lenovo Restore Media for another Thinkpad which required some drivers to be installed. I fully updated it minus the Windows 10 upgrade and telemetry updates. Then I cloned it onto another hard drive, made sure it booted properly and then used a DVD made from a full Windows 10 ISO downloaded from MS, not made with the media creation kit. It went without a hitch and I then cloned the Windows 10 partition onto the main disk and edited the BCD of the Windows 7 partition to boot both Windows versions and Ubuntu. I always reset the BIOS to default settings when I get a new Thinkpad and the only changes I made were to disable the web cam in the BIOS and I made sure that booting was set to both UEFI and Legacy. I allowed the upgrade process to download updates which took care of the Nvidia driver.

I've since tried the 1511 upgrade but it nuked Power Manager and didn't have any real advantage that I could see. This version has a lot of complaints because it disables software without informing the user during the upgrade process which is a complete repeat of the original Windows 7 to Windows 10 upgrade. Service pack installs for earlier Windows versions were so much easier. Lenovo now has a version of Power Manager that is compatible with Windows 10 1511 but it is a real kludge as far as I can see. I tried it yesterday and the version went from 6 to 4 and a lot of the features I like including the wattage meter were missing. So I left it on my spare disk and the main one has Windows 7 and Ubuntu as the main OSes and the first version of Windows 10 to play with. After suffering through several hours of trying to get a version of Power Manager that I liked onto the latest version of Windows 10, I put Qubes OS on another partition of my spare disk and went to the opposite extreme of OSes and got an OS that is dedicated to privacy and security on my W520.
Currently using: A W500, a W520, an X201T, an X220T, an X61T, a 14" T60P,a 15" UXGA T60P and a W700.
Currently idle: A spare W500, a spare X61T, a spare W700, a 14" T61, a 15" SXGA+ T60, a 14" T60, and my first Thinkpad, a 770X.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#33 Post by thomanski » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:43 am

MisterB wrote:I had no problems at all putting Windows 10 on my W520.
Interesting. Do you have a processor with the VT-d feature (in the BIOS: Security > Virtualization -> Intel VT-d Feature), I get the impression only certain i7 CPUs have it. Since that seems to be what caused installation to stall for me at the Windows logo, I suspect a W520 with an i5 or an i7 without VT-d (or one that does have it but disabled in the BIOS) would install without any problems.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#34 Post by MisterB » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:04 am

thomanski wrote:
MisterB wrote:I had no problems at all putting Windows 10 on my W520.
Interesting. Do you have a processor with the VT-d feature (in the BIOS: Security > Virtualization -> Intel VT-d Feature), I get the impression only certain i7 CPUs have it. Since that seems to be what caused installation to stall for me at the Windows logo, I suspect a W520 with an i5 or an i7 without VT-d (or one that does have it but disabled in the BIOS) would install without any problems.
I bought the W520 specifically to experiment with virtualization and emulation. It has the VT-d feature which is one of the things I was looking at. It was enabled in the upgrade in both machines. Windows 10 supports it directly and has the capacity to create VMs built in the OS. When I get through all the BS of Windows 10, there are a few interesting things hidden in the depths of the OS. It also can recognize and mount VHDs in pretty much the same fashion the OSX deals with DMG images. Windows 7 can mount VHDs too but it is not as simple as clicking on the VHD's icon.

I don't know of any W520s with an i5 processor. Most have quad core 2nd generation i7s but I think there are a few that have dual core i7s.
Currently using: A W500, a W520, an X201T, an X220T, an X61T, a 14" T60P,a 15" UXGA T60P and a W700.
Currently idle: A spare W500, a spare X61T, a spare W700, a 14" T61, a 15" SXGA+ T60, a 14" T60, and my first Thinkpad, a 770X.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#35 Post by thomanski » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:15 pm

MisterB wrote:It has the VT-d feature which is one of the things I was looking at. It was enabled in the upgrade in both machines. Windows 10 supports it directly and has the capacity to create VMs built in the OS. [...]

I don't know of any W520s with an i5 processor. Most have quad core 2nd generation i7s but I think there are a few that have dual core i7s.
I saw a number of i5 W520s on eBay when I was looking for mine so, yes, they do exist and they are listed here as well: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:W520. When I have a bit more time tomorrow I'll document all my BIOS settings and if you don't mind doing that as well, that'd be great. Perhaps there's something else that interacts with VT-d (though I cannot imagine what that would be to be honest) that's been causing the issue for me. I've just tried again, it reliably hangs on startup when I try to start with VT-d on and so did the installer.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#36 Post by MisterB » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:38 pm

There are quite a few processors for the W520. I wonder if the Windows 10 update issues happen only with certain processors. My W520 has an i7-2760QM. There are other hardware differences as well to look at but the processor would be the prime suspect. The hanging on VT-D says it's something in the processor that is causing this.
Currently using: A W500, a W520, an X201T, an X220T, an X61T, a 14" T60P,a 15" UXGA T60P and a W700.
Currently idle: A spare W500, a spare X61T, a spare W700, a 14" T61, a 15" SXGA+ T60, a 14" T60, and my first Thinkpad, a 770X.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#37 Post by thomanski » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:51 am

MisterB wrote:There are quite a few processors for the W520. I wonder if the Windows 10 update issues happen only with certain processors. My W520 has an i7-2760QM. There are other hardware differences as well to look at but the processor would be the prime suspect. The hanging on VT-D says it's something in the processor that is causing this.
Could be. Mine has a 2720QM (+ NVIDIA Quadro 1000M). The CPUs are quite similar though. The main difference seems to be SSE4 and higher clock speed for yours. Also it's newer, perhaps they sneaked a bug fix in there? :)

The forum posters on here reporting success/failure installing:
makaveli559m - installation apparently went through on a W520 with a 2760QM
Sleepy664 - succeeded with an i7-2820QM
aharown15 & chrisBC reported different issues installing on W520 but neither mentioned what CPU they've got.

Below are the BIOS settings in full that I currently have. With VT-d enabled it won't boot on the installed Win10 and the Win10 installer hung with it enabled, too, on restart reporting the 0xc1900101 - 0x20017 error and sticking with Win7 as a result. If you can see anything else where we materially differ I could try switching that other thing on or off and see if that allows me to boot with VT-d, but I can't really think what that might be:

Main: UEFIT BIOS version: 8BET62WW (1.42), UEFI BIOS Date: 2013-07-26, Embedded Controller Version: 8XHT42WW (1.36), Machine Type Model: 4276CTO, serial numbers will be different anyway so I'll leave them out.
Config:
  • Network: Wake On LAN: Disabled, Ethernet LAN Option ROM: Disabled
    USB: USB UEFI BIOS Support: Enabled, Always On USB: Disabled
    Keyboard/Mouse: TrackPoint/TouchPad: Enabled, Fn and Ctrl Key swap/Fn Key Lock: Disabled, ThinkPad NumLock: Independent
    Display: Boot Display Device: ThinkPad LCD, Graphics Device: NVIDIA Optimus, OS Detection for NVIDIA Optimus: Enabled
    Power: Intel SpeedStep: Enabled, for AC: Maximum Perf., for Battery: Battery Optimized, Adaptive Thermal Mgmt, for AC: Maximize Perf., for Battery: Balanced, Optical Drive Speed: Silent, CPU Power Mgmt: Enabled, PCI Express Power mgmt: Enabled, Express Card Speed: Automatic, Power On with AC Attach: Disabled
    Beep and Alarm: Power Control Beep/Low Battery Alarm/Password Beep/Keyboard Beep: all Disabled
    Serial ATA (SATA): SATA Controller Mode Option: AHCI
    CPU: Core Multi-Processing: Enabled, Intel Hyper-Threading: Enabled
    Intel AMT: Intel AMT Control: Disabled
Password: all Disabled
Fingerprint: Predesktop Auth: Disabled, Reader Prio: Internal Only, Security Mode: Normal, Reset Fingerprint Data: Enter
Security Chip: Inactive
UEFI BIOS Update Option: Flash BIOS Updating by End-Users: Enabed, Flash Over LAN: Enabled
Memory Protection: Execution Prevention: Enabled
Virtualization: Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled, Intel VT-d Feature: Disabled
I/O Port Access: All Enabled
Anti-Theft: Intel AT Module Activation, Current Setting: Permanently Disabled, Current State: Not Activated, Computrace Module Activation, Current Setting: Permanently Disabled, Current State: Not Activated
Startup: Boot Order is USB/DVD first, mSATA SSD, internal HDD, UEFI/Legacy Boot: Both, UEFI/Legacy Boot Priority: UEFI First, Boot Mode: Diagnostics, Option key Display: Enabled, Boot device List F12 Option: Enabled, Boot Order Lock: Disabled, Reserve memory for UEFI Boot Mgr: Enabled

After installation Device Manager showed no issues but since I've re-enabled a number of things in BIOS after installation I now found Device Manager complaining it had trouble with one device and that I fixed by installing the Ricoh Multi-Card-Reader-Driver for Windows 8/10. But again, that's hardly related to the issue.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#38 Post by MisterB » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:23 pm

The main differences I can see in the BIOS settings is that I have the Intel AMT enabled and the software for it installed. I have the booting set to "Legacy First". VT-D is enabled and was enabled in both Windows 7 installation and Windows 10 upgrade. I also have the Beepers enabled and the integrated camera disabled but I can't see either of those causing boot problems.

When I got it, around 3 week ago, I updated the BIOS and reset it to the default settings before installing Windows.
Currently using: A W500, a W520, an X201T, an X220T, an X61T, a 14" T60P,a 15" UXGA T60P and a W700.
Currently idle: A spare W500, a spare X61T, a spare W700, a 14" T61, a 15" SXGA+ T60, a 14" T60, and my first Thinkpad, a 770X.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#39 Post by thomanski » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:43 pm

MisterB wrote:The main differences I can see in the BIOS settings is that I have the Intel AMT enabled and the software for it installed. I have the booting set to "Legacy First". VT-D is enabled and was enabled in both Windows 7 installation and Windows 10 upgrade. [...]
I currently have two Win10 versions, one on the SSD (that was an upgraded Win7 version that was installed with VT-d still on) and one on the HDD (that had Win7 installed with VT-d off). The first only upgraded successfully once I switched VT-d off. In any case, thanks a lot for the info, I'll have a play around with the settings you mentioned once I have a bit of time and will report back.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#40 Post by pkiff » Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:20 am

MisterB wrote:The main differences I can see in the BIOS settings is that I have the Intel AMT enabled and the software for it installed. I have the booting set to "Legacy First". VT-D is enabled and was enabled in both Windows 7 installation and Windows 10 upgrade. [...]
thomanski wrote:I currently have two Win10 versions, one on the SSD (that was an upgraded Win7 version that was installed with VT-d still on) and one on the HDD (that had Win7 installed with VT-d off).
Like MisterB, I installed Win10 just fine without any hiccups. I notice that I'm using the exact same CPU as MisterB (i7-2760QM) and I wonder if indeed as MisterB suggests there may have been minor tweaks between the different i7 processors.

To install Win 10, I used a clean install method after activating the Win10 upgrade license by doing the Upgrade install. So, I started with a fresh hard drive and used the Thinkpad recovery disks to restore a factory fresh Windows 7 install. I didn't allow any updates, but immediately used that install to do the upgrade Windows 10 process. Then after upgrading successfully and activating the license (I had to connect to the internet for this), I wiped everything and started fresh with a clean Windows 10 from a USB. As I understand it, I needed to do the first upgrade install in order to get my upgrade license registered and associated with my specific machine.

I subsequently configured this as a Win 10-Ubuntu dual-boot machine, and so some things I'm doing may not match your setups. I wonder about the UEFI settings in particular, which I have switched to UEFI only for security purposes.

However, I just checked my BIOS, and I have the VT-d enabled. Here are the relevant differences between thomanski's BIOS and config above and mine:

Machine Type Model: 4276-3JU
CPU: i7-2760QM (this is the same CPU as MisterB, who also successfully installed Win10)

Virtualization: VT-d Enabled

Intel AMT: Disabled

Password:
Hardware Password Manager: Enabled
Password at unattended boot: Enabled
others disabled

Boot
UEFI/Legacy Boot: UEFI Only
W520 (dual-boot Windows 10/Ubuntu 15) · X61 Tablet SXGA+ · T60p UXGA · Legacy: X60T, 600X, 770Z
Thinkpad Media Centre: X61T running XBMC with Broadcom Crystal HD BCM970015, Creative X-Fi Surround 5.1 plugged into Cambridge Audio Sonata AR30 receiver

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#41 Post by thomanski » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:46 am

pkiff wrote:I'm using the exact same CPU as MisterB (i7-2760QM) and I wonder if indeed as MisterB suggests there may have been minor tweaks between the different i7 processors. [...]
Thanks for the info! Really does look like there's an incompatibility with Win10 and VT-d for the 2720QM, at least in the W520. I've googled this a bit but can't see this reported anywhere else, for a W520 or another type of machine though. Would be great if others with the 2720QM could report their experiences here.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#42 Post by hhhd1 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:15 am

Is the T520 or T420 or x220 affected by the same issue, since they should if the processor/chipset/generation is the problem ?

Are people having issues running in UEFI+GPT or Legacy BIOS+MBR mode ?
you can find out which one you have by inspecting the partition table in computer management.
http://thpc.info/how/gpt_or_mbr.html
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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#43 Post by MisterB » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:41 am

I run everything in legacy boot mode with mbr partitioning. Multibooting is easier that way.
Currently using: A W500, a W520, an X201T, an X220T, an X61T, a 14" T60P,a 15" UXGA T60P and a W700.
Currently idle: A spare W500, a spare X61T, a spare W700, a 14" T61, a 15" SXGA+ T60, a 14" T60, and my first Thinkpad, a 770X.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#44 Post by pkiff » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:53 am

hhhd1 wrote:Are people having issues running in UEFI+GPT or Legacy BIOS+MBR mode ?
MisterB wrote:I run everything in legacy boot mode with mbr partitioning. Multibooting is easier that way.
Mine is UEFI+GPT (i.e. UEFI only - no legacy), which I chose because I vaguely thought it would affect my (self-encrypting) disk encryption options. But my config has not been thoroughly tested yet.

To hhhd1: Neither MisterB nor I currently have issues with our Win10 installs, so it appears that the mode on its own is probably not a factor.
W520 (dual-boot Windows 10/Ubuntu 15) · X61 Tablet SXGA+ · T60p UXGA · Legacy: X60T, 600X, 770Z
Thinkpad Media Centre: X61T running XBMC with Broadcom Crystal HD BCM970015, Creative X-Fi Surround 5.1 plugged into Cambridge Audio Sonata AR30 receiver

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#45 Post by thomanski » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:13 am

hhhd1 wrote:Is the T520 or T420 or x220 affected by the same issue, since they should if the processor/chipset/generation is the problem ?
I linked to a post earlier resolving similar issues for the T420s, and for the author it appears to be resolved by switching off Core Multi-Processing, for a commenter VT-d, not sure which exact processors they are using but it can't be my i7-2720QM since that's not in T420(s) (or X220) Thinkpads, only in T520/W520.
hhhd1 wrote:Are people having issues running in UEFI+GPT or Legacy BIOS+MBR mode ?
you can find out which one you have by inspecting the partition table in computer management.
http://thpc.info/how/gpt_or_mbr.html
I aim for BIOS+MBR to simplify Linux installation and I don't think my Win10 upgrade issues were related to that.

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#46 Post by hhhd1 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:38 pm

Thanks for the replies, they saved me the trouble of re-testing in UEFI, I just tested this in Legacy only mode.

Just tested upgrading from windows 7 to 10 on T520, iGPU, i7-2620m, while everything in BIOS is enabled.
and it went fine.

first installed windows 7, with only chipset and graphics and lan drivers, and then activated, then upgraded to 10, and it was auto activated.

if someone having trouble upgrading only, try this:

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/thread ... de-process
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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#47 Post by juanmoras » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:06 pm

thomanski wrote:Virtualization: Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled, Intel VT-d Feature: Disabled
I had the same problem. The only solution was disabled Intel VT-d Feature in the BIOS.
Thanks!
What is the VT-d Feature for? will it affect the normal use of VMWare Station?

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Re: Windows 10 Thinkpad W520

#48 Post by jdrou » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:50 pm

Another data point on this: had no problem updating my W520 to Windows 10 with a 2720QM and VT-d enabled. I upgraded using the latest download ISO last week so possibly there was something fixed since the earlier posts in this thread. I did have an issue after the upgrade with Windows Update hanging up during the "do not restart your computer" phase but after a few hard reboots it eventually did complete. My first suspicion would be on the nVidia driver update.
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