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#61 Post by coolcat37 » Fri May 27, 2016 8:22 pm

Cigarguy wrote:For those wanting to stay with Win 7 or 8.1, it's getting more and more tricky.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376962
microsoft is reaching new depths. ever since win10 they shifted gears.
so right now when you click on the little cross dismissing that annoying pop-up, you're agreeing to the upgrade? what the hell. is that whole company on crack or something?

behind their new 'cool way' of 'talking' to their customers ("You're all set!" after you 'agree' to the 'upgrade' + their retarded presence @ youtube to be 'cool' and 'touchable' and doodoo like that) is a tactic borrowed from the borg. they assimilate the masses, yep that's right

and the masses keep on swallowing it and demanding for more. more of that tasty windows 10 juice uhu plz

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#62 Post by Cigarguy » Fri May 27, 2016 8:34 pm

I hear you coolcat.

I've hidden KB3035583 and many other annoying spams to many times to count.

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#63 Post by nikki605 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:14 am

KB2952664 was reissued again on Jun 8, as an optional update. :BAAAD!:
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#64 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:44 am

Yesterday I installed W8 from scratch (from an official Toshiba-USB-stick) , followed by W8.1 update, for a customer.
I discovered another "faux pas" by Micro$haft: KB3072318 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation for W8.1) .

(Added it to the list on page 1)

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#65 Post by dr_st » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:46 am

Never10 claims to be able to block Win10 upgrade completely, without depending on installing or not installing any particular updates. You can also re-enable Win10 upgrade at any time.
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#66 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:54 am

Never10 does a mod in the Windows Group Policy.
If all is OK, it shows this:

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The remark about W10-files on your system only shows if they are there!
Otherwise it points to their webpage.
It's a great little program.

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#67 Post by nikki605 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:57 am

I've been using GWX Control Panel which also works well.

:arrow: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
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#68 Post by nikki605 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:10 am

I've lost count how many times I've hidden update KB2952664. It was there again this morning on my 2 Win7 machines. :roll:
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#69 Post by Puppy » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:49 pm

nikki605 wrote:I've lost count how many times I've hidden update KB2952664. It was there again this morning on my 2 Win7 machines. :roll:
I have never had hidden any W10 related KB update, I am just installing Important only. And never get the Windows 10 update notification, unless wanted it by installing all optional updates.
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#70 Post by jdrou » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:31 pm

Puppy wrote:
nikki605 wrote:I've lost count how many times I've hidden update KB2952664. It was there again this morning on my 2 Win7 machines. :roll:
I have never had hidden any W10 related KB update, I am just installing Important only. And never get the Windows 10 update notification, unless wanted it by installing all optional updates.
Yes, that's a major part of the issue; many people accepted MS' recommendation to allow Windows Update to install all updates just like important updates. I also only install 'important' updates on pre-Win10 systems (and only check for updates manually, never automatic).
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#71 Post by DPHMIN » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:16 pm

My X200 has Windows 7 Professional on it, and everything works great. For the last several months, I keep getting the "upgrade to Windows 10" message. I clicked on it to see what it was about, and it started to install. I stopped the install, but several weeks later, it installed automatically.

After trying it for a couple of weeks, and several things were not working good, I uninstalled Windows 10 and went back to Windows 7. Now, a month later, I've been getting the message that my copy of Windows 7 is not genuine, and to click this button to correct this. I know they are trying to trick me into reinstalling Windows 10.

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#72 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:54 am

Zorin Linux looks pretty close like W7.
That's where I will be heading when W7 becomes obsolete.

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#73 Post by Cigarguy » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:20 am

Thanks RBS. Played around with Zorin a bit and I likey. Really likey actually. Runs great with an old X60T with only a 120 GB HDD and 2 GB ram I had kicking around. Between this and Linux Mint there is some nice alternatives.

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#74 Post by pianowizard » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:09 pm

jdrou wrote:Yes, that's a major part of the issue; many people accepted MS' recommendation to allow Windows Update to install all updates just like important updates.
The problem is that not everyone knows how to change the Windows Update settings, which is surprising because I thought most people who frequent this forum would be pretty savvy. Many people also don't know how to disable telemetry options or that they can be disabled, so they keep complaining about how Windows 10 spies on them.
DPHMIN wrote:If Windows 10 is forced on me, I'll probably get Linux, and forget Microsoft.
Don't worry, July 29 is quickly approaching, after which Windows 10 won't be free any more. And Microsoft has announced multiple times that Windows 10 is the final version of Windows, i.e. there won't be future versions that Microsoft might force people to upgrade to for free.
RealBlackStuff wrote:Zorin Linux looks pretty close like W7.
That's where I will be heading when W7 becomes obsolete.
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#75 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:58 pm

pianowizard wrote: Many people also don't know how to disable telemetry options or that they can be disabled, so they keep complaining about how Windows 10 spies on them.
We've had this discussion before. Even with all of the above done, W10 still spies on it user. Telemetry can never be completely disabled without applying non-MS hacks.
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#76 Post by pianowizard » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:39 pm

ajkula66 wrote:We've had this discussion before. Even with all of the above done, W10 still spies on it user.
Just like Windows 8, or 7, or Vista, or even XP. Windows 10 probably does spy 10 - 20% more than Windows 7, but the difference isn't big enough to justify avoiding 10 like the plague, while embracing 7 without reservation. In other words, if you are concerned about 10, you should be nearly as concerned about 7, assuming you are a logical person.

I was hoping Puppy would chime in here. A while ago he found an article where Microsoft-hating Linux fans failed to find much spying by Windows 10, after all optional telemetry had been turned off.
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#77 Post by UMPC2024 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:52 pm

pianowizard wrote:Just like Windows 8, or 7, or Vista, or even XP. Windows 10 probably does spy 10 - 20% more than Windows 7, but the difference isn't big enough to justify avoiding 10 like the plague, while embracing 7 without reservation. In other words, if you are concerned about 10, you should be nearly as concerned about 7, assuming you are a logical person.
But there's so much other stuff with Windows 10 and the subsequent forced upgrade process besides privacy that makes these reservations present in the first place.

You do research, right? So then I'm sure you're familiar with the pain in upgrading instrumentation computers to a new operating system just due to general software incompatibility. Granted this happens with every iteration of Windows, but the problem is forced Windows updates on Windows 10 without any method to delay it. Imagine running a simulation or spectral analysis overnight only to find your workstation has restarted itself. There's also more possibility of infinite boot loops, blue screens, random hangs because you can't personally vet the updates. And yes I know there's Enterprise licenses or some special deal where you can delay it, but my institution doesn't have that.

Secondly there was a whole fiasco with some computers not being able to load the correct drivers across all manufacturers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

It just simply isn't feasible to run Windows 10 in environments where Windows used to work. We can spend hours upon hours to change out the hardware, upgrade to the latest instrument software, etc. or we can just stick with what works and continue to operate.

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#78 Post by pkiff » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:18 am

nikki605 wrote:I've been using GWX Control Panel which also works well.
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
I second that. It's simple, clear, and seems to just work. I don't fiddle anymore with disabling this or removing that or registry edits to get rid of the Win10 nag.

Personally, I'm running Win10 just fine on a number of machines (only one is in my current sig), and I think it is a good OS, but I use the GWX Control Panel to help family, or for those cases where I don't want to upgrade.
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#79 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:22 am

Puppy wrote:
nikki605 wrote:I've lost count how many times I've hidden update KB2952664. It was there again this morning on my 2 Win7 machines. :roll:
I have never had hidden any W10 related KB update, I am just installing Important only. And never get the Windows 10 update notification, unless wanted it by installing all optional updates.
On the W7 installs that I do not want to go to W10 (which is ALL of my W7 systems, since I just made separate HDD installs of W10), I have W7 set to NOT download OR Install ANY updates. It Only Notifies me that they are ready.

Then I have to Look at EVERY one, and use the "more info link, which brings up an ms link on what the update actually does. THEN I can decide to let it update or hide it.

Any yes some of them keep coming back like a date date.
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#80 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:21 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:Yesterday I installed W8 from scratch (from an official Toshiba-USB-stick) , followed by W8.1 update, for a customer.
I discovered another "faux pas" by Micro$haft: KB3072318 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation for W8.1) .

(Added it to the list on page 1)
That must be a W8 only update. It's not in my hidden updates list and not on my W7 systems.

This is a crazy game staying out in front of this. I basically have to have auto updates shut off.
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#81 Post by dr_st » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:33 am

cadillacmike68 wrote:This is a crazy game staying out in front of this. I basically have to have auto updates shut off.
After Never10 came out, which can block Win10 upgrade completely, you don't need to stay in front of anything. Just disable the upgrade and worry not about future updates.

Things are as crazy as you want them to be, no more, no less. :)
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#82 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:21 am

For those of you who couldn't resist upgrading to W10, here's some helpful info to get some privacy back:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971725/ ... piece.html

And for those who decided at the last moment that they still want W10, but missed the deadline of 07/29/2016, it's still available:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/1/123403 ... -available
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10 ... oduct-keys


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#84 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:53 pm

Anybody with any sense of reality should have stopped Windows Update altogether by now.
I did!

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#85 Post by jdhurst » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:04 pm

GWX as posted above works a treat on my Windows 7 virtual machine, on a Windows 7 M90p desktop I sold, and on some other machines. I have not tried Never 10 - no need to.

My working machines (M73 Desktop and X1 Carbon laptop) are both Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and both work a treat. No issues.

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#86 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:53 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Anybody with any sense of reality should have stopped Windows Update altogether by now.
I did!
As did I quite some time ago.
jdhurst wrote: My working machines (M73 Desktop and X1 Carbon laptop) are both Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and both work a treat. No issues.
Glad to hear that W10 works for you with no issues. Seriously.

W7 works for me - with WU blocked/disabled/eradicated - perfectly fine.

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#87 Post by wekonnoot » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:36 am

I am done with Windows update. Every time I installed a Windows OS, the first thing is to turn off the annoying updates, especially for old machines.

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#88 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:48 pm

wekonnoot wrote:I am done with Windows update. Every time I installed a Windows OS, the first thing is to turn off the annoying updates, especially for old machines.
Yes I did this to all my machines (in Windows 7 you disable it and in Windows 10 you disable Windows Update service)
One way of avoiding Windows 10 recommendation/auto install is to disable NX in the BIOS setup but that won't stop Telemetry service from being installed
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#89 Post by Puppy » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:57 pm

Microsoft may soon let you view the diagnostic data it collects from your PC
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-may-s ... llects-pc/
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#90 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Puppy wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:57 pm
Microsoft may soon let you view the diagnostic data it collects from your PC
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-may-s ... llects-pc/
Too late IMO...the trust - whatever was left of it to begin with - is gone, at least in my case.
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