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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#91 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:37 pm

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:55 pm
It has been reported that Windows 11 will run even on a Pentium 4 HT and is probably the lowest you can install on. I did install Windows 10 Pro 64bit on the Pentium 4 HT (Prescott and Cedar Mill, socket LGA 775) These are the only P4s that will accept W8/8.1, W10 and 11 and support Nxbit and 64bit. But your maxed at 4GB RAM though.
If the Pentium 4 chip you have runs 8/8.1/10 x64, it will run WIndows 11. Otherwise you need things like a Cedar mill Pentium 4 or Smithfield Pentium D upgrade.
And here, I can confirm on the laptop side of things, the 945 platform is the oldest platform that will run Windows 11.
Here, I have taken a Compaq Presario V3000 given to me for free, with a plain old 945GM chipset and Core duo T2050 and 512MB RAM. I then upgraded the BIOS and then the CPU to T7200 and RAM to max 3GB, and Windows 11 worked!
This is possibly good news to ThinkPad T60/T60p/R60 machines as it will work there too, though as whether you wanna put Windows 11 on those is another question.
The 945GM graphics and even the T7200 CPU already struggle badly in Windows 10, and Windows 11 only makes it worse with much more graphics intensive animations.
Here's the proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comm ... a_15_year/
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#92 Post by ThinkPad560X » Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:47 am

For anyone that forced installed Windows 11, I guess if you try to play a newer game on the system, The game will check to see if you have Secure boot and TPM 2.0 on windows 11. Software vendors like Adobe may do the same soon. So all software maybe checking for these requirements soon. Never played this game but here is a link to the TPM requirement. https://www.spieltimes.com/original/gui ... indows-11/
I also read that Microsoft said that if you forced installed Windows 11 on an unsupported system that your system will be blocked from getting some updates and security patches.

It seems windows 11 is going to be locked down and requires a internet connecting for Home and even Pro now along with a MS account.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#93 Post by dr_st » Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:57 am

ThinkPad560X wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:47 am
For anyone that forced installed Windows 11, I guess if you try to play a newer game on the system, The game will check to see if you have Secure boot and TPM 2.0 on windows 11
I doubt most games will ever care. The game you found seems to be an exception, because they want to rely on these features as an anti-cheat measure? If they force these things on Win11, they will force them on Win10 too (or they simply won't support Win10). Most games have no reason to go down that route.
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:47 am
It seems windows 11 is going to be locked down and requires a internet connecting for Home and even Pro now along with a MS account.
Unlikely that Pro will require an MS account, despite some rumours ro the contrary. Internet connectivity may be required for the initial setup.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#94 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sat May 07, 2022 1:51 pm

Well I been doing test installs of windows 11 and it seems to go the same way like windows 10. The only difference is I had to make a bypass log page and save on my flashdrive. Bypass - TPM, UEFI and CPU check. The only problem I ran into was this will not work if you have less then 4GB. I was testing w11 on a DELL Dimension 9200 and it only had 2GB and not its max 8GB. That is a Core 2 Duo. I am running and typing this on a Intel Pentium D "same as Core 2 Duo era" on ThinkCentre M58. I tested w11 on a Pentium 4 cedarmill with 4GB max and it installed, but I wouldn't recommend running w11 on it. It has a full install of w10 and running fine but I think w11 uses a lot of graphics processing. During the install on the Pentium D it had a slow graphic install as well but once on the desktop it is running fine.

I didn't activate windows 11 so I am not getting the full benefits of the OS but this is my first time use in person of it.
As for compatibility, I don't own any machine that will run w11 with the required specs. But not sure over time if Microsoft will block unsupported systems or not, Blocking OS updates and software usage like from Adobe or other vendors. But so far the machine is running stable and no problems, It just went through its first system update and restart. No Audio driver so far.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#95 Post by ThinkPad560X » Sat May 07, 2022 6:49 pm

Been on windows 11 for most of the day and watching youtube videos on the M58 and it is running smooth, No lag. I have the most current update for windows 11 as well. I might pick a machine to install windows 11 on for permanent use and activate it. And for the audio on the M58, I just plugged in a external speaker and it works. The internal desktop speaker needs a driver.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#96 Post by madicetea » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:09 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:06 pm
Regarding UEFI on legacy systems, wouldn't something like Clover work?
I imagine it could, but with just short of the same level of technical-finicking that people who use Clover today for Hackintoshing go through.
I can't see even the average technical person out there wanting to undergo that level of effort...
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#97 Post by MikalE » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:48 am

I don't know if I posted elsewhere about this, but my T520 has been successfully running Windows 11 Home since last October. No problems, glitches, or abnormalities. It is also still receiving updates and I have one pending right now I need to install.

Windows 11 runs better than Windows 10 did on this machine.

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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#98 Post by ThinkPad560X » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:00 pm

I heard rumors that MicroSoft would block all updates on unsupported hardware, but I still keep getting updates on my Dell Dimension 9200 P4 and ThinkPads T400,T410,T420 and T530. They all run fine. There not activated but just for testing the OS.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#99 Post by MikalE » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:31 pm

I don't know why MS doesn't take the locks off of Win11 with a disclaimer you must acknowledge before installing it on unsupported hardware.

We know the risks and the advantages and we're not all computer illiterate.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#100 Post by kony » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 am

MikalE wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:31 pm
I don't know why MS doesn't take the locks off of Win11 with a disclaimer you must acknowledge before installing it on unsupported hardware.

We know the risks and the advantages and we're not all computer illiterate.
What do you mean? You can install it on anything since Pentium 4 probably, what else do you need?
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#101 Post by madicetea » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:13 pm

MikalE wrote:
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:31 pm
I don't know why MS doesn't take the locks off of Win11 with a disclaimer you must acknowledge before installing it on unsupported hardware.

We know the risks and the advantages and we're not all computer illiterate.
Haha, pretty sure we all know it is because everyone in the US is too averse to somehow still being sued regardless.

(see: Lady sues McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself, McDonalds adds "Caution: Hot" to lids worldwide after losing in court)
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#102 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:30 am

I heard for a while Microsoft is going to try to add in requirements for SSE4, but has not yet done so as of 22H2. If that is added then of course you absolutely need a Penryn Core 2 duo upgrade to run windows 11.
That said I do not consider a 945 mobile chipset and Socket M Core 2 duo T7x00 (like T60) to be usable under Windows 11. Chipset/FSB is way too slow and 3GB max RAM limit seriously hurts.
BUT, I do have a few AMD based laptops slightly younger than T60 but older than T61, and with an upgrade to Tyler Turion 64 X2 TL-60, and if upgraded with SSD and to 8GB of RAM (yes they actually do support that with that CPU if chipset is 64 bit addressing capable, and can in fact run at full 800Mhz), that can actually be somewhat called usable under Windows 11. Of course it will run quite hot, but so does a T7400 under Windows 11 (pushes my T60's CPU temps to the low 90s).
The catch is, however, unfortunately those AMD CPU's do not support asymmetric dual channel, so if you use 6GB of RAM on that thing it will run at single channel...
These things don't have SSE4.1 support however, but that's about the only case on laptops I can think of that mandating SSE4.1 support would hurt somewhat.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#103 Post by keithsketchley » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:58 pm

It's worse than just 2016, a T480 purchased in 2019 is not eligible for Windows 11Pro, a slightly newer one is, I couldn't figure out why but the processor number such as 7300 vs 8250 is newer in the eligible one.

Grr.

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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#104 Post by axur-delmeria » Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:37 pm

keithsketchley wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:58 pm
It's worse than just 2016, a T480 purchased in 2019 is not eligible for Windows 11Pro, a slightly newer one is, I couldn't figure out why but the processor number such as 7300 vs 8250 is newer in the eligible one.

Grr.
Blame Microsoft for that. Only a few 7th generation Core processors are deemed "eligible" by MS, one of which is the processor used in the Microsoft Surface Studio all-in-one PC.
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Re: Windows 11 Compatibility.

#105 Post by josh5k » Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:26 am

I've had Windows 11 on the T420s, T430, X230, W541 and a few Dell and HP Laptops and have had regular updates and software installs on just about all of them.

Baring a couple of Adobe installs and slowdowns, there have been no noticeable issues on any of them. All of them are activated; and of course all of them had a clean and fresh install off a thumbdrive.

Upgrade Compatibility is a skunk, but overall install compatibility is a doozy at this point. Given that Windows 10 has another 2 years to go and that we'll have Windows 12 by then, should mean that for most individuals and small businesses Windows 11 shouldn't be a major hassle.

Usability and Network compatibility issues are another issue altogether. Give me back my full Taskbar Microsoft!!
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