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#1291 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:37 pm

I think this should be called the Thinkpad Retromod.

If you can call a 70 corvette with a new fancy engine a 70 corvette, because it is still a sports car that does what its intended purpose.

Same with thinkpads. Without a keyboard and square lcd, is it still a Thinkpad?

Really, if it gets work done efficently, is super rugged, why cant it bear the Thinkpad Name?

Thinkpads were designed to get work done no matter what happened. If it can do that, its a thinkpad. As the new(xx40 and later) are fragile movie machines. Therefore they arent thinkpads.
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#1292 Post by micrex22 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:08 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:37 pm
I think this should be called the Thinkpad Retromod.

If you can call a 70 corvette with a new fancy engine a 70 corvette, because it is still a sports car that does what its intended purpose.

Same with thinkpads. Without a keyboard and square lcd, is it still a Thinkpad?

Really, if it gets work done efficently, is super rugged, why cant it bear the Thinkpad Name?

Thinkpads were designed to get work done no matter what happened. If it can do that, its a thinkpad. As the new(xx40 and later) are fragile movie machines. Therefore they arent thinkpads.
Well you've basically just summarized the differences between an IBM ThinkPad and a Lenovo ThinkPad.

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Re: Thinkpadders Rejoice (*LARGE PICS*)

#1293 Post by evening_hunger » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:12 am

Yet another Chinese company disproving the popular mythos about how 3:2 screens are hard to get, expensive, and would bring the price of the device up. Look here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cube-Thin ... 312.0.html
That's a budged laptop with such a screen. Sure, this particular one has [censored] RGB coverage, but not that worse than most Thinkpads...
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#1294 Post by Ibthink » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:55 am

They are apparently using C-grade quality screen of the Microsoft Surface Book production, if you look at brightness distribution and sRGB values. In other words, they are using the trash of the production that Microsoft doesn´t want.

This doesn´t matter. HP, Dell, Lenovo, if one of those manufacturers releases a 3:2 Notebook, that would be a big change.
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#1295 Post by Puppy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:07 pm

evening_hunger wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:12 am
That's a budged laptop with such a screen. Sure, this particular one has [censored] RGB coverage, but not that worse than most Thinkpads...
There are more of them, check Chuwi company and many others. These might a C-grade but still better than most of Lenovo ones :) And there is no display vendor lottery.

Lenovo ThinkPad T470 (Core i5, Full-HD): 61.44% sRGB, Brightness Distribution: 88 %, Contrast: 1020:1
Cube Thinker Laptop (Core m3-7Y30, 8 GB, 256 GB): 70% sRGB, Brightness Distribution: 81 %, Contrast: 1723:1

And a 230 Euro Chuwi Hi12 Tablet Review: 95.2% sRGB, Brightness Distribution: 89 %, Contrast: 1145:1. Better in every parameter compared to T470.
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#1296 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:17 pm

What about the quality control? Does Brightness Distribution mean how even the brightness is across the panel?
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#1297 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:03 pm

TPFanatic wrote:What about the quality control? Does Brightness Distribution mean how even the brightness is across the panel?
Probably just an average of center brightness vs edge brightness.
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#1298 Post by Ibthink » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:27 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:17 pm
What about the quality control? Does Brightness Distribution mean how even the brightness is across the panel?
Yes. On the tested "Cube Thinker" laptop, the lower right corner is 100 nits darker than the upper left.
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#1299 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:32 pm

Unless its like the ToughBook's 1000nits, thats a BIG difference.
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#1300 Post by Puppy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:32 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:27 pm
Yes. On the tested "Cube Thinker" laptop, the lower right corner is 100 nits darker than the upper left.
Reminds me the famous T440 LG vs AUO war where the uniformity was also terrible. But the 230 Euro Chuwi has better screen than T470 :) In other words no need to bash cheap chinese laptops since they provide screen we want for a long time.
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#1301 Post by Ibthink » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:19 pm

Puppy wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:32 pm
But the 230 Euro Chuwi has better screen than T470
A Tablet, which you can´t compare with a Notebook anyway. Tablets with bad screens are rare. Notebooks, especially Business Notebooks, not so rare.
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Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:32 pm
In other words no need to bash cheap chinese laptops since they provide screen we want for a long time.
Well, maybe the second-rate version of the wanted screen. :D And its terrible in every other way. If you just want a good screen, you could also buy a Macbook Pro. Terrible keyboards, but good screens.
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#1302 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:22 pm

Only If you get the retina version. Otherwise, you have an coke can filled with crap screen and keyboard.
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#1303 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:42 pm

At least Macbook's are 16:10. What's it take to put a Retina in my T500? Retina to HDMI adapters exist. The gloss would kill me though, since I like using my laptop outside.
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#1304 Post by thomase13 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:56 pm

I don't think you understand how good Retina monitors are.
You'd think the gloss would be a problem, but my sister uses her MacBook Pro in direct sunlight and the backlight is so bright that it's perfectly readable!

Really incredible! (especially compared to my weak ThinkPad screen that's only viewable in dim indoor lighting)

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#1305 Post by evening_hunger » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:39 pm

I've been fantasizing about transplanting MB 13'' screen into x230 for some time, until nitrocaster cured me of it by explaining that mac's backlight is hardly removable, in other words one would need to transplant entire lid. Still, fruit screen in a Thinkpad would constitute a Holy Grail of Laptops. So far, AFAIK noone's done it.
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#1306 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:43 pm

evening_hunger wrote:I've been fantasizing about transplanting MB 13'' screen into x230 for some time, until nitrocaster cured me of it by explaining that mac's backlight is hardly removable, in other words one would need to transplant entire lid. Still, fruit screen in a Thinkpad would constitute a Holy Grail of Laptops. So far, AFAIK noone's done it.
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#1307 Post by jcvjcvjcvjcv » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:52 pm

Lenovo would probably want multiple suppliers...

Except for CPU's of course; there they fine with only one supplier...
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#1308 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:53 pm

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:Lenovo would probably want multiple suppliers...

Except for CPU's of course; there they fine with only one supplier...
Then why do they have 2 suppliers for the E-series?
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#1309 Post by Puppy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:54 pm

Looks like some people already know the specs 8)
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... be_buying/
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#1310 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:04 pm

Puppy wrote:Looks like some people already know the specs 8)
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... be_buying/
If its 16:9, Im going to ship David Hill a Panasonic Toughbook with a Thinkpad Label. Even though it has an XGA LCD that ajkula66 despises, its still closer to a Thinkpad than a 'real' Thinkpad.
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#1311 Post by dr_st » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:07 pm

IMHO, just IMHO, the obsession over aspect ratio (Not 16:9!!! Please Oh God not 16:9!!! Anything but 16:9!!!) in this thread has gone beyond lunacy. :??:
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#1312 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:27 pm

dr_st wrote:IMHO, just IMHO, the obsession over aspect ratio (Not 16:9!!! Please Oh God not 16:9!!! Anything but 16:9!!!) in this thread has gone beyond lunacy. :??:
1: Im Thinkpad4by3, so obviously Im obsessed with aspect ratio :)

2: Im using a 11.6" 16:9 screen. With my 17" 4:3 monitor with the same amount of pixels and I can get 5x more productive.
If thats not proof I dont know what is.

3: Did you expect anything different from a group of Thinkpadders wanting a productive computer? What would you say if Lenovo made a total s**t version of the trackpoint. Wouldnt you go crazy(unless you use touchpads then you wouldn't care


No harsh feeling meant to you, just saying.
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#1313 Post by Summilux » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:10 pm

Puppy wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:54 pm
Looks like some people already know the specs 8)
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... be_buying/
mac10_named_desireG40 wrote: It would be cool but I already own actual old-school Thinkpads. I use them for a variety of reasons, the Retro doesn't seem to have many of those things. I wanted 4:3, I wanted a thinklight, I wanted a medium travel distance connected chiclet board and I wanted a thicker, more durable design.
The bit of the Retro ive seen looks like any other ultrabook.

Ill continue to use my T42, waiting on a T44 modern mobo mod now.
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#1314 Post by Ibthink » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:48 pm

I think he just saw the picture that David Hill posted.
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#1315 Post by TPFanatic » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:31 pm

Either that picture or the concept from the Time Machine blog.
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#1316 Post by jdrou » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm

dr_st wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:07 pm
IMHO, just IMHO, the obsession over aspect ratio (Not 16:9!!! Please Oh God not 16:9!!! Anything but 16:9!!!) in this thread has gone beyond lunacy. :??:
Personally I don't care much about ratio, just vertical pixels. Anything less than 1000 feels cramped. 1280x1024, 1400x1050, 1680x1050, 1920x1080 are all OK with me for 12" screens.
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#1317 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:03 pm

jdrou wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Personally I don't care much about ratio, just vertical pixels. Anything less than 1000 feels cramped. 1280x1024, 1400x1050, 1680x1050, 1920x1080 are all OK with me for 12" screens.
Anything less than 1000 is absolutely worthless for *my* needs, not just cramped and I would *really* like 1200, d a m n the torpedoes. TBT, I don't believe that I could handle 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 on a 12" for an extended period of time.
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#1318 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:28 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
jdrou wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Personally I don't care much about ratio, just vertical pixels. Anything less than 1000 feels cramped. 1280x1024, 1400x1050, 1680x1050, 1920x1080 are all OK with me for 12" screens.
Anything less than 1000 is absolutely worthless for *my* needs, not just cramped and I would *really* like 1200, d a m n the torpedoes. TBT, I don't believe that I could handle 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 on a 12" for an extended period of time.
I feel that that 1920x1200 is a very good resolution for me. Its very good for photo-editing where a nice 4:3 image sits in the middle with all my controls around it. No wasted space what so ever.
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#1319 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:20 pm

I enjoy WUXGA too but on my T500. I've never seen a higher DPI than 147 DPI except some 4K Ideapad at Best Buy so I don't know if I would be comfy with 12" WUXGA.
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#1320 Post by SaskFellow » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:19 pm

Considering the availability of 3:2 screens... I'm really really hoping this thing gets a 3:2 IPS 1920x1280 display at the minimum. Give me a socket for the CPU, and at least 2 DIMM slots, with a bay for battery/hdd(SSD)/optical drive... Yum!

Will have to wait and see... My trust in Lenovo isn't so hot. They've really done a lot of damage to the ThinkPad brand.
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