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And if you have too much money, you can buy them now! ('only' $1899 in USA, but €2.379 in Europe)
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/t ... 2TP2TTTP25
And here is the joke:
Commemorative Features (WOW...)
- 7-row classic keyboard (now with backlighting)
- Blue Enter key with blue accents on sub-keys
- Special edition ThinkPad 25 logo
- Special ThinkPad 25 packaging
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by their Specials!
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/t ... 2TP2TTTP25
And here is the joke:
Commemorative Features (WOW...)
- 7-row classic keyboard (now with backlighting)
- Blue Enter key with blue accents on sub-keys
- Special edition ThinkPad 25 logo
- Special ThinkPad 25 packaging
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by their Specials!
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16:9 = Half baked I am afraid.
That's why David hill walked.
That's why David hill walked.
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About 5625 more than they should have made.
Thinkpad4by3's Law of the Universe.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
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Thinkpad Lip service comes to mind
Lol
Lol
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Now the whole story looks like a Monty Python sketch.
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With "retro" taking the role of The Black Knight....
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In this thread, so far 56 pages of comments, suggestions, hopes, curses, disappointments, lies, crazy ideas and what not.
And all that for just a modded keyboard on a little over 5,000 laptops?
Big NONO for LeNONO!
And all that for just a modded keyboard on a little over 5,000 laptops?
Big NONO for LeNONO!
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In "Retro"spect I am amazed it didn't get a chiclet 6 row actually.
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Well, perhaps like a fool, I just placed my order for one.
In the end, it may be the last chance we ever see to get the classic keyboard. That alone is worth it to me, despite the terrible disappointments in other desired features. We'll see how this goes...
In the end, it may be the last chance we ever see to get the classic keyboard. That alone is worth it to me, despite the terrible disappointments in other desired features. We'll see how this goes...
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Come to Think of it, do we really NEED a 7-row keyboard?
Good ol' IBM Selectric did a great job!
Good ol' IBM Selectric did a great job!
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From the past: The passion for the concept and survey participation rate continues to amaze me and others at Lenovo. On average each survey has had approximately 13,000 respondents.
That's why they've made 5,000 boxes only?
That's why they've made 5,000 boxes only?
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Did the selectric typewriter run Windows and require 50 million different key combos?RealBlackStuff wrote:Come to Think of it, do we really NEED a 7-row keyboard?
Good ol' IBM Selectric did a great job!
I will give it the advantage that it never crashed due to poor nVidia drivers or run out of power and lose my entire document.
Thinkpad4by3's Law of the Universe.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
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Pretty sure Lenovo will produce more if these sell like hot cakes. Given the response of the enthusiasts here, I am not sure they will sell so well. But who knows? I need one for my work. I will see how to get one ASAP, and if possible with a localized keyboard. However, given what we get, and given the price, I would not buy one for personal use.
LaptopMag has a review:
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... hinkpad-25
(they probably got an early unit in exchange for the promise of not keeping quiet until the actual announcement)
LaptopMag has a review:
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... hinkpad-25
(they probably got an early unit in exchange for the promise of not keeping quiet until the actual announcement)
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The configuration is wrong at all. No WQHD, forced touchscreen, crappy nVidia videochip, outdated CPU generation, forced LTE WWAN and no availability of US version in rest of countries. The review https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 454.0.html has a long Cons list.
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I wonder if you’re gonna be able to get a non-touch display for this (thus making the whole setup even more expensive).
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No, there are no configuration options.
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Wow, isnt it so nice that I have more configuration options on my 755CDV out of the factory than the Retro does IN THE FACTORY!
Thinkpad4by3's Law of the Universe.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
The efficiency of two screens equally sized with equal numbers if pixels are equal. The time spent by a 4:3 user complaining about 16:9 is proportional to the inefficiency working with a 16:9 display, therefore the amount of useful work extracted is equal.
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I wouldn't say that the configuration is wrong. What's wrong is that there is only one configuration. Some people will prefer FHD, some will prefer QHD. Some will prefer Intel GPU, some will prefer nVidia. Some will prefer a touchscreen, some will not, etc. You cannot cater to everyone with a single configuration. That's my biggest complaint.
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Yes, that's what I meant. They also made special motherboard so there is no excuse for missing WQHD option.
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Oh well if it's limited, I ain't spending any hassle of getting it. it ain't any better than my T530 with i7-3720QM aside from battery life. Even at that, i have yet a few years to spend with my T43p over my T530 until casual applications start dropping x86 support.
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Well that's disappointing.
Given that they had to completely redesign the keyboard to fit the T470, why don't they offer it as an alternative keyboard for all T470 purchases?
Given that they had to completely redesign the keyboard to fit the T470, why don't they offer it as an alternative keyboard for all T470 purchases?
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Motherboard is also different.
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Sorry, fixed one: http://www.jonashendrickx.com/2017/10/0 ... -thinkpad/
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So who's going to figue out how to order the parts and retrofit a T470 first? Sure as heck doesn't warrant getting it for the pamphlet...
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That's wild. How does he know?Puppy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:22 pmSorry, fixed one: http://www.jonashendrickx.com/2017/10/0 ... -thinkpad/
And should we weep? I have a TP25 incoming, dual PackedPixels already landed in my airbnb in London where I will pick them up in three weeks, a 2242 512GB SSD has been ordered as well and if I see a number of confirmations of the 16GB being single module I will grab a second module too (I won't meet my TP25 before January, I am overseas, a friend of my mine will pick it up and safeguard from the hordes wanting one once it ran out). I am overjoyed how cheap the T25 is while ticking all my boxes. My PackedPixels will bring the screenspace, no worries there. The status LEDs are a nice to have. But classic keyboard with 32GB and TB3? DANCE! If the mobile Thunderbolt 3 graphics dock promised for the Yoga 920 happens, my little powerhouse is complete.
Yes, I wanted five year on site warranty but I can live with three.
Yes, I wanted four lanes Thunderbolt 3 but I can live with two.
No weeping.
As for retrofitting, people said the motherboard is diff with diff connectors. Ain't going to happen.
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There are no "classic" status LED (Wi-Fi, BT, Drive activity etc). He means CapsLock etc. It is explained here .
Subaverage screen, no WQHD screen option, outdated 7th gen CPU (October 2017), crappy nVidia drivers, questionable support (spare parts) ... no, I am not going to buy that.
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I never wanted a screen larger than FHD at 14". The CPU is what is, the deadline was set literally 25 years ago, it is a shame we missed the 8th generation-Pascal bandwagon but -- oh well.Puppy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:38 pmThere are no "classic" status LED (Wi-Fi, BT, Drive activity etc). He means CapsLock etc. It is explained here .
I am aware. What I meant is that the status LED feature is merely a nice to have. It's not something to weep over.
Subaverage screen, no WQHD screen option, outdated 7th gen CPU (October 2017), crappy nVidia drivers, questionable support (spare parts) ... no, I am not going to buy that.
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