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#1741 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:09 pm

systemBuilder wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:16 am
Do you know how many IPS 1920 x 1200 panels exist between 12.2 inches and 15.4 inches in size? ZERO. There were NEVER any made.
I guess you missed the 15.4" Sharp LQ154M1LW2A and LQ154M1LW02.
They had ASV which IMHO is equally as good as IPS.

There are tons of Dell machines that came standard with these screens, as well as numerous T61, R500 and T500 on this Forum, that got such a screen as a replacement for the lower quality LG and Samsung.

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#1742 Post by dr_st » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:16 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:09 pm
systemBuilder wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:16 am
Do you know how many IPS 1920 x 1200 panels exist between 12.2 inches and 15.4 inches in size? ZERO. There were NEVER any made.
I guess you missed the 15.4" Sharp LQ154M1LW2A and LQ154M1LW02.
They had ASV which IMHO is equally as good as IPS.
Equally good or not equally good, in someones opinion these may be, but they are not IPS, so you cannot really say he "missed" them. :wink:
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#1743 Post by fourthree » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:30 pm

Wow, this thread really got derailed by quite an aspect.. I can see where people are coming from though.

Anyway, it looks nice but on my budget I think a T420 is simply better value. Not that there's anything bad about my X61s.

Honestly, they should've just hired the 51nb guys and made a poll about which model was your favorite. If 600 was the best voted el-sahef could've landed a job! Will likely never happen but a man can dream.
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#1744 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:38 pm

theterminator93 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:53 pm
Well, my TP25 arrived this afternoon, and I type this to you all here on it now.
My hat's off to you and anyone else who chooses to be an early adopter. Seriously.

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#1745 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:44 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
theterminator93 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:53 pm
Well, my TP25 arrived this afternoon, and I type this to you all here on it now.
My hat's off to you and anyone else who chooses to be an early adopter. Seriously.

May your new ThinkPad serve you well.
Well, if he can be just as productive as for say a T410, can it count as a real Thinkpad?
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#1746 Post by Ibthink » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:40 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:38 pm
My hat's off to you and anyone else who chooses to be an early adopter. Seriously.
No worries here. After all, it is based on a T470, a model available on the market for months now. So most if not all issues should be ironed out by now.
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#1747 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:48 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:44 pm

Well, if he can be just as productive as for say a T410, can it count as a real Thinkpad?
TBT, T410 had only two things going for it IMO:

1) It was the final 16:10 ThinkPad, although 1440x900 resolution is really nothing to write home about, and the screens were mostly quite atrocious.

2) These systems did feel significantly snappier than the *00 generation, at least in my experience.

So I would expect a T470 to provide a much better computing experience overall.
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No worries here. After all, it is based on a T470, a model available on the market for months now. So most if not all issues should be ironed out by now.
That remains to be seen, since the PWM was not present on the T470 that was tested by Notebookcheck, yet showed up its ugly face on the T25.
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#1748 Post by dr_st » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:19 pm

pianowizard wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:51 am
First of all, can we stop calling this "T25"? It's not a continuation of the T20/21/22/23 series. Call it TP25, for "Thinkpad 25".
Lenovo itself calls it "T25" in some places...
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/jp/th/prod ... s/pd500006
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#1749 Post by w0qj » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:01 am

We use our ThinkPad T410 as our daily driver, cranking out MS Word papers (16:10 screen is VERY useful especially for footnotes), video/youtube education, daily MS Excel work... so yes! ThinkPad T410 is very useful even today!
(OK, we upgraded it to SSD and 8 GB RAM, new battery, etc.)
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Well, if he can be just as productive as for say a T410, can it count as a real Thinkpad?
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#1750 Post by Ibthink » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:04 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:48 pm
That remains to be seen, since the PWM was not present on the T470 that was tested by Notebookcheck, yet showed up its ugly face on the T25.
Might be an issue for some people, but it isn´t a bug as much as it is a difference between different display panels. Some use PWM, some don´t.
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#1751 Post by lophiomys » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:05 am

dr_st wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:52 am
lophiomys wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:06 am
Sorry the review at Notebookcheck revealed that the FHD only screen has PWM flicker.
They were surprised by that, yes. It may be panel-dependent? In their T470 review they did not notice PWM, and AFAIK, there are two different FHD IPS options for T470 and T25.

They also mentioned that at a 1000Hz flicker frequency most people will still not notice it and will not be affected.
I'd rather do not want to take a EUR 2000,- lottery, to see if I would get a headache from a 1000 Hz flicker too.
In general, PWM in order to regulate brightness on an LCD is cheap technology, and
specially since Lenovo does offer better screen technology in other models, putting such a poor screen into an Anniversary model is an insult to the customer.
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:52 am
lophiomys wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:06 am
Alone combining the high price of the T25 with a poor screen is a showstopper, despite the good 7-row keyboard.
The price is not high. It costs as much as a similarly-configured T470 costs, and that's without the nVidia GPU. They observed that in the Notebookcheck review as well.

The screen is also not poor. Just 'average'. As long as there are still laptops with TN screens sold, I would not call any FHD IPS offering poor, unless it is defective from the factory.
IMO "average" is the resolution, but in combination with the PWM flicker lottery it is poor,
and additionally at the relative high price, it is a ripoff. Please account the rest to my poor command of the English language.

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#1752 Post by lophiomys » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:07 am

Ibthink wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:04 am
ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:48 pm
That remains to be seen, since the PWM was not present on the T470 that was tested by Notebookcheck, yet showed up its ugly face on the T25.
Might be an issue for some people, but it isn´t a bug as much as it is a difference between different display panels. Some use PWM, some don´t.
That is barley a philosophical consideration. PWM flicker is cheap technology and it is simply bad for the customer inside a quite expensive product.
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#1753 Post by theterminator93 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:51 am

Well, I think I'm gonna try a little experiment tomorrow/this week. I'll take my TP25 in to work with me and use it instead of my T601F and see how things go. Not because the T601F isn't up to the task, but because I want to see how going from the most universally respected king of the "true classics" stacks up against the new kid on the block.

Will it be a permanent switch? Not likely. I still have a hard time living without an optical drive sometimes. And the ultrabay makes it darned convenient switching between that, extra batteries, and yes, even my trusty serial/parallel adapter. :)
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#1754 Post by brchan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:10 am

The drop down hinges are a bit of a deal breaker for me. Not aesthetically pleasing.
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#1755 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:34 am

brchan wrote:The drop down hinges are a bit of a deal breaker for me. Not aesthetically pleasing.
My problem with drop down hinges is that the LCD assembly smashes against the deak when used at 180 degrees and scratches the rubber coating.
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#1756 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:19 am

Ibthink wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:04 am
ajkula66 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:48 pm
That remains to be seen, since the PWM was not present on the T470 that was tested by Notebookcheck, yet showed up its ugly face on the T25.
Might be an issue for some people, but it isn´t a bug as much as it is a difference between different display panels. Some use PWM, some don´t.
It is an issue for me and a major one. My eyes have zero tolerance for PWM. That's one of the reasons why I prefer CCFL-lit screens even in this day and age.
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#1757 Post by dr_st » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:43 am

lophiomys wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:05 am
Louis Rossman does find the right words for this MarketingPad 25 on YT>
Why I'm not buying the Thinkpad Retro
I like Louis, and he says many correct and to-the-point things in his videos (although he takes a l-o-n-g time to say them). ;)
He spoke at great length in the past about why the new keyboard is terrible, as was the new clickpad (which was quickly reverted), and a lot of his points hit home with me.

But this video, well...

Starts with a 10-minute rant about how the price is high, the specs are sh!tty, and the price is ridiculous for the specs. Well, first of all - it's all false. It has been noted time after time that configuring a similarly specced T470 (remember the 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM, i7 CPU, touch screen, 3-year warranty) will cost roughly the same. In fact, it will cost more than $1900, but right now Lenovo's sale on their websites slashes the price down so it's less. The P50 with similar specs will be even more. It seems that many folks here fall for the same fallacy. You cannot just take the single configuration of the T25 and compare it to the absolute rock-bottom Thinkpad Lenovo will let you configure on their website. It's not apples-to-apples, it's not fair, it conveys the wrong message and focuses on the wrong things.

He also complains about the -U CPU versus HQ CPU. Well, as long as you are building a single model - you have to choose one, and no matter what you choose, someone will hate it. He is upset because he wants a quad core workstation for video editing? If he had gotten that, someone else would be upset that they are forced-fed a power hungry brick of a CPU that they don't need, because all their number crunching is done on some server, and they just need a portable machine to write/code/browse the web.

In the end the only valid thing here is a complaint that there is a single configuration, and that the keyboard has not just been installed on every Thinkpad in Lenovo's lineup. Well, it is what it is.

Then he goes for another 10-minute rant about the screen and Apple, and how Apple innovates because it always gets unique high-res LCDs that no one else has, and Lenovo is crap, etc, etc. Lenovo is Lenovo and Apple is Apple. The fundamental approach of the companies is known and has not change in over a decade. Any expectations that Lenovo would suddenly 'pull an Apple' in regards to this particular aspect were mostly unfounded. The only thing that's really disappointing and unexpected here is the lack of QHD option or at least QHD support (this is still in my mind the single biggest flaw of the system).

The one point I can agree with wholeheartedly in this video is that Lenovo's attitude "here's a bone for the retro fans" instead of "we are correcting a bad mistake here" is annoying, and sorely disappointing. I believe that most of the disappointed crowd here ready to "weep and/or despair" also sees that as the problem. As always, I choose to look at the "glass half-full". It is still one model with a good keyboard, now available after 7 years of drought.

It is not easy for a corporation to come and say "we screwed up" openly, just like it is not easy for individuals. Especially when there are some directions from which the "screw-up" does not seem like a screw-up (people are still buying Thinkpads, no?) If there is any way to encourage Lenovo to adopt the change and "fix back" more models, it's through making T25 a success story.

I can understand people who say that they will not buy it, because it simply does not meet their needs (need a bigger / higher-res screen / cannot under penalty of death work with 16:9 / etc. etc.) Or maybe they don't need / want a laptop at all right now. But if this is a model that could in principle work for you (for example if you are still happy to cling on to your T420s/T430s with FHD IPS mod), and you were considering to purchase this "retro Thinkpad", and now you say you won't, because you feel offended, cheated, whatever - well, you are in your right, of course, but I think the attitude is wrong, and in the end you will be shooting yourself in the foot with it.
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#1758 Post by TPFanatic » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:05 am

Can a QHD ever be modded into the Retro or are the fabled QHD-modded T420s and T430s better than the Retro in that regard? Nevermind the T420s and T430s have gigantic bezels.
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#1759 Post by dr_st » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:20 am

From what I could see - it uses the same eDP connector as the T470, which is different from the T470s/T470p. And from what I know, that eDP is 2-lane and cannot support QHD resolutions. So there is no easy way to fit a QHD panel there.
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#1760 Post by NonesensE » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:10 am

It probably can be modded the 420/430 way, using 4-lane Dp from the docking port.
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#1761 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:12 am

NonesensE wrote:It probably can be modded the 420/430 way, using 4-lane Dp from the docking port.
Depends if the docking port uses through hole or smd mounting. If if it is SMD, were screwed.
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#1762 Post by dr_st » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:34 am

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:12 am
NonesensE wrote:It probably can be modded the 420/430 way, using 4-lane Dp from the docking port.
Depends if the docking port uses through hole or smd mounting. If if it is SMD, were screwed.
Also - this generation, AFAIK, only sends a single DP out through the docking port (the Ultra Dock uses a DP MST hub to split it to multiple monitors). Reference: viewtopic.php?f=68&t=124719

Thus, stealing the dock DP signal would leave you with a laptop that is unable to have any digital video out through the dock.
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#1763 Post by Puppy » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:04 am

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#1764 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:10 am

Can we get an X25 as a redo, taking from what they screwed up but in a 12 or 13" package.
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#1765 Post by Cooler22 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:31 am

Inb4 they will bring back the 701c, hopefully properly instead of this "retro" Thinkpad.

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#1766 Post by dr_st » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:33 am

Puppy wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:04 am
Lenovo ThinkPad 25 – Missed Opportunity?
Yes, a lot of nice things there.

They really should just work on a Rev. 2 motherboard, with a 4-lane eDP connector and a quad-core ULV, then offer a choice between FHD and QHD panels, and also make touchscreen optional.

Which nVidia GPU they use is less important, I believe, and some users will appreciate an Intel option. Or is it possible to completely switch off the GeForce and use the integrated GPU on these models?
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Re: Thinkpadders, do NOT Rejoice, WEEP and/or DESPAIR!

#1767 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:38 pm

Reading the T25-Retro reactions on our German sister-Forum, they are just as mad at Lenovo's stupidity and lack of insight and decent specs as we are.
Another huge crowd joining the club of disappointed ThinkPad fans.

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Re: Thinkpadders, do NOT Rejoice, WEEP and/or DESPAIR!

#1768 Post by Puppy » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:02 pm

dr_st wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:33 am
Which nVidia GPU they use is less important, I believe, and some users will appreciate an Intel option. Or is it possible to completely switch off the GeForce and use the integrated GPU on these models?
Yes, I'd also prefer integrated Intel GPU. I don't think it is possible to switch it off, at least if you use external monitor because the DisplayPort output is "wired" to the nVidia GPU.
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Re: Thinkpadders, do NOT Rejoice, WEEP and/or DESPAIR!

#1769 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:20 pm

Intel knows how to make a GPU. No matter how much faster the nVidia is, we all know it will have some issue from drivers to internal stress fractures. It's nVidia.
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Re: Thinkpadders, do NOT Rejoice, WEEP and/or DESPAIR!

#1770 Post by exTPfan » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:56 pm

Missed opportunity indeed. Ten years ago there were laptops that whose screens were only one inch shorter than the laptop (e.g., the X60/X61). The T470 is 9.15 inches tall, and so, instead of the 14 inch 12.20x6.86 (16x9) screen they could have put in a 14.7 inch 12.23x8.15 (3x2) screen. That's 20% taller and 20% larger in area (99.7 sq in vs 95.4 for 14.1 (4x3) or 108 for 15 (4x3)). A 14.7 inch 3x2 screen and a 7 row keyboard in a 3.5 lb laptop would have been something to die for.

Of course, the narcissists would complain that there is no room for a selfie webcam, and the airheads would complain of the black bars on their videos, but they only make up 46.1% of the population.

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