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#1051 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:51 am

We all know why they want it to look like an "I".
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#1052 Post by JPOESQ » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:09 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Worse: the stupid thing has IBOOK printed on it, WTF?
http://www.lenovo.com/images/subseries/ ... indows.jpg
I bet that Lenovo will hear from Apple about the way that they display the name. As you noted, it can easily be confused with iBook even though it says "yoga" vertically.
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#1053 Post by Summilux » Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:37 pm

TPFanatic wrote:We all know why they want it to look like an "I".
But they the chassis isn't even aluminium grey ! :lol:

Oh well... at least they haven't labelled this thing a "Thinkpad".
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#1054 Post by Weboh » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:40 pm

Summilux wrote:
TPFanatic wrote:We all know why they want it to look like an "I".
But they the chassis isn't even aluminium grey ! :lol:

Oh well... at least they haven't labelled this thing a "Thinkpad".
But they have called other versions of the Yoga TABLET one...
It's like Chevy coming out with a new monster truck and calling it a Camero...
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#1055 Post by QWERTY Andreas » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:33 am

pianowizard wrote: I just looked up the Yoga Book. OMG, it uses a virtual keyboard! This may be the ultimate example of a "useless laptop with beautiful screen"!
Well... For some students it migth be a better solution to a daily driver than a regular laptop.

However - I don't know if studying is considered "serious" or "work" in your opinion.
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#1056 Post by Puppy » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:03 am

QWERTY Andreas wrote:Well... For some students it migth be a better solution to a daily driver than a regular laptop.
If it worked. Visit Lenovo forums and you'll find typical Lenovo quality issues reported by multiple users. BIOS update breaks the virtual keyboard, device does not wake from sleep mode, device drivers update erros, random shutdowns etc. There is no QA process anymore.

All of this makes me wonder what quality the Retro ThinkPad will be, if released :(
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#1057 Post by murak » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:24 am

Puppy wrote: All of this makes me wonder what quality the Retro ThinkPad will be, if released :(
I wonder this as well. Well, we'll just keep our eyes on 51nb and maby more specifically the T70 (T60 motherboard upgrade) just to have an alternative... ;)
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#1058 Post by Summilux » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:22 pm

Puppy wrote:If it worked. Visit Lenovo forums and you'll find typical Lenovo quality issues reported by multiple users. BIOS update breaks the virtual keyboard, device does not wake from sleep mode, device drivers update erros, random shutdowns etc. There is no QA process anymore.
Oh boy... the ride never ends :roll:
Puppy wrote:All of this makes me wonder what quality the Retro ThinkPad will be, if released :(
Post-IBM quality... :|
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#1059 Post by evening_hunger » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:20 am

Samsung joining the new 2:3 fashion. Very good.
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#1060 Post by bgx » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:53 pm

and we now have a desktop in 3:2 with the microsoft surface studio.

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#1061 Post by exTPfan » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:12 pm

Indeed 4500x3000 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface ... tech-specs
Meanwhile, Apple has copied Thinkpad's worst experiment: touch panel in place of function keys.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacB ... 476.0.html
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#1062 Post by bgx » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:28 am

Well, well implemented, it could be nice.

Three things could improve it:

1) physical keys transparent, with a screen below to change the functions.
2) not taking off any useful keys, ie, give in above the function keys, not instead.
3) a good OS/programs support and customizable in any way you want.

Lenovo had none.
I guess Apple will have the third done ok (I dont believe they will provide customization, but at least it will not be as broken as the lenovo implementation).

Now, imagine if you have all 3? and fully customizable? that would be nice!
Even 2 and 3 would be ok, if it is just an addition to function keys, i could live with non physical keys

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#1063 Post by Summilux » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:00 pm

Old concept. Too bad such keyboards cost around 1.500€ and probably don't offer the same comfort as our beloved TP keyboards : http://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/
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#1064 Post by tiorapatea » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:38 am

Lenovo continue to troll all those interested in productivity machines by releasing endless 3:2 aspect ratio tablets with detachable keyboards, while producing no Yoga or (God forbid) conventional laptops in that form factor.

The Miix 720:

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#1065 Post by micrex22 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:27 pm

tiorapatea wrote:Lenovo continue to troll all those interested in productivity machines by releasing endless 3:2 aspect ratio tablets with detachable keyboards, while producing no Yoga or (God forbid) conventional laptops in that form factor.

The Miix 720:

http://lenovolearning.bhivesoft.com/bhi ... sp?id=9794
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#1066 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:10 pm

I think it's time really to rename this thread to "Thinkpadders Reject (Lenovo's efforts at mass destruction)".

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#1067 Post by shawross » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:03 am

I am also quite prepared for the "Retro" not to happen.

Honestly I think David Hill had honorable intentions but the logistics to pull it off with a Thinkpad that would measure up to the majority is a huge task.


I can remember when people were talking about the Beatles getting back together again and this has a similar feel.

Time and technology has moved on and markets have moved on.

Many of us have our own versions of Retro Thinkpads and we can find content with these.
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#1068 Post by tiorapatea » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:12 am

shawross wrote:I am also quite prepared for the "Retro" not to happen.

Honestly I think David Hill had honorable intentions but the logistics to pull it off with a Thinkpad that would measure up to the majority is a huge task. [...]
What is frustrating though is that Lenovo churns out so many products that it gives one a small hope that they might hit upon a product that actually makes sense.

For my money, that would be a laptop with a screen shape (4:3) that was the industry standard for at least twenty years. If they don't want to do that, because they are clueless and would have to underwrite development of a custom component with uncertain commercial volumes, they could instead just release a laptop with a screen shape that seems to be readily available and the latest fashion, 3:2.

Surely it is only a matter of time before some manufacturer does this, because that seems to be how the industry works - throw a lot of dross at a wall, and see what sticks. For example, Samsung are about to release a new 3:2 Chromebook with 12.3 inch screen, watchband hinge and pen input, see http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/15 ... tylus-pen/ (as I see was mentioned by evening_hunger above). The Samsung is not really filling the niche because, like the Chromebook Pixels, it has very limited amounts of flash storage, and probably has boot\firmware\driver issues if you want to use another operating system.
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#1069 Post by 600X » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:07 am

tiorapatea wrote:What is frustrating though is that Lenovo churns out so many products that it gives one a small hope that they might hit upon a product that actually makes sense.
I agree, but at the same time, that is a huge issue because when that perfect machine does happen to come about one day, it will probably suffer from bad quality control, mediocre build quality, and be marred by issues and bugs that could easily have been avoided.
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#1070 Post by brchan » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:12 am

Even though it was a while ago, Lenovo is perfectly capable of creating a great, well built machine. Just look at the X300/X301 (excluding the screen). Now, whether or not Lenovo decides to put the time and energy into making a worthy 'retro' machine, is not clear. If designed to be released on some anniversary date, it would make sense to be better quality than what we're seeing now, especially given the hype.
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#1071 Post by jcvjcvjcvjcv » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:59 am

exTPfan wrote:Indeed 4500x3000 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface ... tech-specs
Meanwhile, Apple has copied Thinkpad's worst experiment: touch panel in place of function keys.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacB ... 476.0.html
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#1072 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:07 pm

brchan wrote:Even though it was a while ago, Lenovo is perfectly capable of creating a great, well built machine. Just look at the X300/X301 (excluding the screen).
Let's not forget that the heads rolled within upper management right after that...big time. I'm fairly certain that the spirit of building machines that are supposed to stand head and shoulders above the rest of the pack (IBM way) died right after the X30*/W70* range failed to yield a profit, or worse...

No one with any power at Lenovo is going down that rabbit hole again IMO.
Now, whether or not Lenovo decides to put the time and energy into making a worthy 'retro' machine, is not clear. If designed to be released on some anniversary date, it would make sense to be better quality than what we're seeing now, especially given the hype.
If they have *any* sense left, they'll have it out next year, for the 25th anniversary...although "over-promise and under-deliver" has been Lenovo's MO for quite some time now when it comes to ThinkPads.
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#1073 Post by Summilux » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:11 pm

I just wish I had billions to buy the Thinkpad division back when it was being sold, or now in order to revive True Thinkpads in lieu of counterfeit junk stealing the IBM legacy.

At the very least I can boycott Lenovo, a dubious company which is holding hostage True Thinkpad believers - not because we ever bought any of their rubbish designs, be simply because it's the entity which has bought all the assets pertaining to IBM Thinkpads.
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David Hilll lied to us. Simple as that. "Most transparent design process ever" my arsch. We should never put trust corporate pawns, their ethics are low.
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#1074 Post by fatpolomanjr » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:10 pm

Summilux wrote:David Hilll lied to us. Simple as that. "Most transparent design process ever" my arsch.
Oh, he said that? That would be a major over-promise, or straight up lie, if he did. This whole process has been anything but transparent.
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#1075 Post by Summilux » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:15 am

fatpolomanjr wrote:Oh, he said that? That would be a major over-promise, or straight up lie, if he did. This whole process has been anything but transparent.
Yep. That was when this whole Classic Thinkpad project started and Hill / Lenovo posted surveys regarding TP loyalists' wishes.
The surveys were a good start, so his claim that Lenovo's consultations with its user base would continue in the same fashion were credible although unprecedented... back then.

This all turned out to be a lie as history has shown. In fact, even the results of the surveys which Lenovo posted were being contested ; with suspiscions that Lenovo was performing mental gymnastics over the interpretation of the results so as to better fit their own agenda (or lack thereof). Badwill piling up from the start.

Even assuming there was genuine goodwill when the whole project was launched, not giving us the slightest official information and apology about delays or cancellation is completely unacceptable, for it is another form of lying. And I don't care if it's supposedly Lenovo's fault because David Hill was forbidden to say a word, neither him nor Lenovo are part of a completely totalitarian system (P.R.C. ain't D.P.R.K.), so he is at the very least an accomplice in this lie.

Assuming again that something will eventually be released in 2017 or later, this will never erase Lenovo's and David Hill's hypocritical behaviour.
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#1076 Post by evening_hunger » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:29 am

Let's wait until 2017.10 ends I guess only then we'll know 100% it's gone (even if now we know 90%). It's actually quite fitting that 51nb produces T70 now. If Lenovo fails, I get T70. (Who knows, maybe even if they don't.)
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#1077 Post by JaneL » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:50 am

No one who actually knows anything is going to spill the beans here. Be patient.
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#1078 Post by chx1975 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:14 pm

It would be so very easy. Really. Even if it's just 16:9 screen, those screens are becoming gorgeous these years and I guess we learned to live with them. Better ratios are great but they shouldn't be hindering this. Just give it a roll cage and the old keyboard and any semi decent hardware. Have a few USB-C/TB, a few normal USB, DP and/or HDMI, matters little. Keep it under 2kg. Done. Nothing that needs two years of design.

The Chinese replacements kill the dock connector which I don't like. Although if they ever get a USB-C/TB connector some 3D printing and any random TB dock might solve that :)

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#1079 Post by kony » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:19 pm

Don't worry. The Classic Thinkpad will get released and it will have a true classic low-res TN screen.
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